DUST Search - Now i know why people defend their minlogi crutch.

The Dark Cloud wrote:

7th Son 7 wrote:

The Dark Cloud wrote:

So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i undeerstand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5.

I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool.

I love my Cal Logi but it would be nice to get some Nanohives that repair shields or something. I guess the drawback to this idea would be a player throwing out a Hive that reps armor and then throwing out a Hive that reps shields, could be a little OP I guess lol. I do love my Cal Logi tho Big smile

How would that be OP? a single grenade ontop of you and you loose alot of your health and both hives at the same time.

Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson

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The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4389	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:14:00 - [1] - Quote So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i undeerstand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:20:00 - [2] - Quote YES THIS. +1
DozersMouse XIII Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1022	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:22:00 - [3] - Quote Agreed. Shotgun me once, shame on me Shotgun me twice, scans on you
7th Son 7 DAWGS OF DUST 749	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:25:00 - [4] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i undeerstand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. I love my Cal Logi but it would be nice to get some Nanohives that repair shields or something. I guess the drawback to this idea would be a player throwing out a Hive that reps armor and then throwing out a Hive that reps shields, could be a little OP I guess lol. I do love my Cal Logi tho Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4391	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:26:00 - [5] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i undeerstand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. I love my Cal Logi but it would be nice to get some Nanohives that repair shields or something. I guess the drawback to this idea would be a player throwing out a Hive that reps armor and then throwing out a Hive that reps shields, could be a little OP I guess lol. I do love my Cal Logi tho How would that be OP? a single grenade ontop of you and you loose alot of your health and both hives at the same time. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
7th Son 7 DAWGS OF DUST 749	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:31:00 - [6] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i undeerstand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. I love my Cal Logi but it would be nice to get some Nanohives that repair shields or something. I guess the drawback to this idea would be a player throwing out a Hive that reps armor and then throwing out a Hive that reps shields, could be a little OP I guess lol. I do love my Cal Logi tho How would that be OP? a single grenade ontop of you and you loose alot of your health and both hives at the same time. I was thinking an Amarr or Gallente Heavy standing on em, but your right there would be a counter to said move. Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Dreis Shadowweaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 2705	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:32:00 - [7] - Quote For every Logi repping a Sentinel, there's one less slayer or Scout on the field. Logi + Sentinel is better than just Sentinel + Sentinel. That's called teamwork though. It's very easy to kill a Logi, and a Logi can do little without the help of it's team. Logi is not OP. It's called teamwork. A Logi is also defenceless whilst repping. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 I'm a monster
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1105	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:33:00 - [8] - Quote that rep range is boss.. but I do feel a bit squishier than the other logi classes
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4391	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:36:00 - [9] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: For every Logi repping a Sentinel, there's one less slayer or Scout on the field. Logi + Sentinel is better than just Sentinel + Sentinel. That's called teamwork though. It's very easy to kill a Logi, and a Logi can do little without the help of it's team. Logi is not OP. It's called teamwork. A Logi is also defenceless whilst repping. Yeah right try to take the objective on the gal. research facility during DOM while there are 6 heavys and 2 minlogis sitting behind them. Its not just that you aswell get a insane WP advantage and earn OB's insanely fast compared to any regular squad. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18233	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:36:00 - [10] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i understand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. 'Well y'know the Minmatar Logi should probably be repping shield and not armour. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City

shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4375	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:36:00 - [11] - Quote Problem is that all the other logi suck at level below proto. Play from Japan, rule the game!
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 606	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: For every Logi repping a Sentinel, there's one less slayer or Scout on the field. Logi + Sentinel is better than just Sentinel + Sentinel. That's called teamwork though. It's very easy to kill a Logi, and a Logi can do little without the help of it's team. Logi is not OP. It's called teamwork. A Logi is also defenceless whilst repping. The Original Post, while pretty inflammatory in message, is still pretty spot on that the repair tool is a big advantage to armor that shield absolutely does not have. I agree that logi/reptool isnt OP, but it is an imbalance in the meta game that armor has an option to have a logi around that not only completely eliminates but dramatically outperforms the only advantage that shield suits have right now: regen speed. Some kind of shield support equipment needs to be introduced so that shields can compete and break the armor meta that exists right now. Its just one of the many things that happen that need to be fixed before shields arent a crap choice.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 476	Posted - 2015.04.14 19:53:00 - [13] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Yeah right try to take the objective on the gal. research facility during DOM while there are 6 heavys and 2 minlogis sitting behind them. As if this isn't what we are all doing every time we play that map, lol. So you want a sheild rep tool that reps through damage, to use on a sheild tanked heavy with reactives on the lows, and native armor reps? Meanwhile, the armor tanked heavy is over here with no sheild recharge whatsoever while under fire. Hmm, seems a little unbalanced, don't you think?
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4392	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:05:00 - [14] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: Yeah right try to take the objective on the gal. research facility during DOM while there are 6 heavys and 2 minlogis sitting behind them. As if this isn't what we are all doing every time we play that map, lol. So you want a sheild rep tool that reps through damage, to use on a sheild tanked heavy with reactives on the lows, and native armor reps? Meanwhile, the armor tanked heavy is over here with no sheild recharge whatsoever while under fire. Hmm, seems a little unbalanced, don't you think? Yeah right tell that the 1300HP armor heavy that gets repped like mad from miles away and has a damage mod on aswell. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 476	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:07:00 - [15] - Quote Tell him what? That sheild tankers can rep shields and armor through damage, but he can exclusively rep armor through damage?
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 476	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:10:00 - [16] - Quote And not to mention, what happens when you've got a sheild rep Logi and an armor rep logi going with cores on the same squad? That's just insane.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 4393	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:14:00 - [17] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: And not to mention, what happens when you've got a sheild rep Logi and an armor rep logi going with cores on the same squad? That's just insane. Not more insane then having 2 minlogis repping a heavy. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 223	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:14:00 - [18] - Quote I personally would love a shield rep tool, but I see a minor flaw in how useful it would be. Take for a moment a gallentae sent. (just as an example) if you had this rep tool on the heavy, after the shields are gone, what does it do? rep through damage like the armour reppers? and if so how would that work on the shields? The way I see it it would only work if the shields were repaired only when armour is full, so it may be better to make the current rep tool be able to rep both armour and shields. Again not saying I don't want one (totally do, really want to see some more cal sents on the field), but rather I don't see how one would work, and if someone else does, please explain. o7 and happy hunting :) We will remember.... We will always remember....
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 476	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:17:00 - [19] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: And not to mention, what happens when you've got a sheild rep Logi and an armor rep logi going with cores on the same squad? That's just insane. Not more insane then having 2 minlogis repping a heavy. It would be way more insane if one minlogi had an armor repper and the other a shield repper. That heavy would be friggen invulnerable; weapon parity would be completely defeated.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2241	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:20:00 - [20] - Quote You make it sound like there's a lot of people against a shield rep tool, but I can't recall very many being apposed to it. For the most part, again from what I can recall, whenever it gets brought up the majority are in support of it. "We're kind of having a girl talk, Louise" "Yes, but are you naked?" Rated [TV-MA]

Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 226	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:31:00 - [21] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i understand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. NO I main caldari, I run nothing but shield based fits and I disagree with introducing a shield rep tool, shields need a boost in power not a rep tool. if a player can be rep for armor and shields they cannot be killed. it breaks the game. IMO shield fits should be rebalanced to be faster and more resilient then armour fits on a 1 v 1 bases armour fits being rep'd should be more resilient/take more punishment then shield fits with the balance being someone on the team is taken out of the fight due to manning the rep tool. Its as simple as this people n++pâçGòÉS+Ç 25+ Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback 510	Posted - 2015.04.14 21:21:00 - [22] - Quote Cloud, id rather get a Remote Shield Booster. Activated for a certain amount of time and an area of effect, with a cool down. I feel silly with a Caldari Logi and a repair tool on a heavy. I'd rather deploy this and use my gun. I'm not a Minmatar slave. Caldari loyalist Seraphim's Warehouse
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2015.04.14 21:23:00 - [23] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i understand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. =ƒÿé Lol at the rate shields recharge you'll have no point for such a rep tool.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 323	Posted - 2015.04.14 21:25:00 - [24] - Quote I'm against a shield recharger BUT! a reg/extend tool would be a dream come true. We got the low HP and delay, let's boost on that :-P The ADS tourney! Join today!
SteelheadPep The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 200	Posted - 2015.04.14 21:26:00 - [25] - Quote Being a support logi I'm in favor of a shield rep tool, but Atm there are not many Cal heavies around, and most mercs don't even blink when their shields are down.With the ability to increase the already fast shield recharge rates there would have to be some incentive to carry a shield rep tool.With the addition of armor rep on every suit support logis are over looked for most sqaud repping strategies. We are used for heavy reppers mostly, taking away another layer that makes logis useful to a team.The shield repper would have to have something that would make it viable for a sqaud to have (increase the amount of shields for a short time?) .
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback 510	Posted - 2015.04.14 21:27:00 - [26] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i understand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5. I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. =ƒÿé Lol at the rate shields recharge you'll have no point for such a rep tool. But with a long delay, it doesn't matter how "fast" our recharge rate is. Caldari loyalist Seraphim's Warehouse
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4400	Posted - 2015.04.14 22:11:00 - [27] - Quote Its not a asbtract concept it was allready there for vehicles. You could do shield logistics with the charybdis logi LAV and armor logistics with the limbus. So the coding would be there allready and you just have to take the reptool model, make it heal shields only and add a new skill into the game for that. And i do not understand the point of people that when a shield logi and a armor logi healing 1 dude would be a apocalyptic thing. Amarr sentinels with 4 complex plates whos aswell getting repped by 2 minlogis is aswell unkillable if you go up against him solo. We are talking here teamplay and people think that 1 guy with a gun should be 1 heavy+2 logis? I dont see the logic behind that due to the fact that you are basically fighting 3 people, not one. Plus you should allways focus on each suits primary tank. Its for example useless to try to rep a cal. assault with a reptool due to the very low amount of armor. In every scenario it is better to support the main tanking capabilitys. 2 armor repping logis> 1 armor repper+ 1 shield regnerater 2 shield regneratering logis> 1 armor repper+ 1 shield regnerater 2 shield regneratering logis = 2 armor repping logis You have to aswell keep in mind that shields cannot get over 1000HP the maximum that a cal. sentinel can get is 946HP. A amarr sentinel can get up to 1344HP on armor. Thats 398HP more then the cal sentinel. So the cal sentinel has less base HP then the amarr and cannot even use a damage mod with that high amounts of shields. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 480	Posted - 2015.04.14 22:29:00 - [28] - Quote You aren't wrong about any of that, but I strongly feel that both of the points that I raised merit discussion, particularly the point regarding the imbalance caused by the cessation of native and module introduced shield recharge by damage. Sentinels supported by shield reps will have an inherent advantage over an armor-rep because of native armor repairs and repair capable modules.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1449	Posted - 2015.04.14 23:39:00 - [29] - Quote What are people talking about repping through damage? It takes 2-3 proto rep tools to even negate the damage of a single rifle, let alone rep through damage. Put two rifles on any heavy in the open and he will drop, repper or not. If he is using cover, well thats just smart play. I understand that heavy logi trains are frustrating, but people are blowing rep tools way out of purportion. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1631	Posted - 2015.04.15 00:06:00 - [30] - Quote If we have shield repping then there really is no difference between shields and armor, no reason to differentiate them. I agree though that there is an imbalance between shield and armor tanking but I think it is best addressed by looking at damage profiles. Too many things just melt shields. The logi problem, with Caldari having no role to play is another issue and I think repping provides way too much WP. Because, that's why.



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