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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:09:00 -
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Shield rechargers need a buff as well, giving up a slot and fitting cost to save one second of delay is seldom worth it.
Because, that's why.
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2Berries
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:19:00 -
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How about a shield emitting hive where a bubble stays up for x amount of damage? This would feed right into the cal logi bonus and essentially achieve the same desired effect of a shield rep tool.
Just to add parity to shield/armor buffers, make flux break rep streams.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
771
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:36:00 -
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I honestly don't get the debate in this thread. The concept of Native Shield regen making Shield Rep tools unfair makes no sense. Like at all. The concept of a shield repper and an armor repper on a heavy making it invulnerable makes no sense. At all. |
2Berries
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:47:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:I honestly don't get the debate in this thread. The concept of Native Shield regen making Shield Rep tools unfair makes no sense. Like at all. The concept of a shield repper and an armor repper on a heavy making it invulnerable makes no sense. At all. Folks venting frustration, thats all.
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DERP33
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:53:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i understand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5.
I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool.
How is it OP? The minmatar logi specializes in repping, which so happens to be the best way to get points. Also, min logis are so very easy to kill because they're almost defensless while repping. Find a way to kill the logi, and boom the whole squad is dead lol. Not that hard. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:07:00 -
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On debate on "both shield AND armor reps on a dude" vs "two reps of same type on a dude":
Two reps on primary tank IS better. If the tanks happen to be equal, then having both is better - but that is a rare case, and is found mostly on untanked squishy suits which won't benefit from remote reps much.
Example: A suit has 400 shield HP and 1200 armor HP. for that, 2x remote armor rep >>> 1x shield and 1x armor rep >>>>>>>> 2x shield rep
Looking at both sides of the coin.
Even Aurum one.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:09:00 -
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There's a better solution. Much easier and better. Buff shield suits delay stats [slightly]. Rework current rep tool.
From my point of view, rep tool should be used at friendly targets that are not engaged in combat [that means they're not taking any dmg]. They could be reping them during engagements but it wouldn't be as effective.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:39:00 -
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if you wanna make other logis better, give them all a smaller bonus to the rep tool than the minmatar and give them all bonuses to all the other equipment. For example
Gal Logi: Keeps scan bonus 3% rep tool range, 2% improved armour repair rate of rep tool per level +1 spawn on an uplink, 4% reduction in spawn time per level bonus for nanohives (forget what it is) |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:39:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:There's a better solution. Much easier and better. Buff shield suits delay stats [slightly]. Rework current rep tool.
From my point of view, rep tool should be used at friendly targets that are not engaged in combat [that means they're not taking any dmg]. They could be reping them during engagements but it wouldn't be as effective. rep tools shouldn't be limited to healing when they arent getting shot at, it would defeat its purpose. |
Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
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Posted - 2015.04.15 02:31:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i understand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5.
I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. A. Stop generalizing. I run Minmatar Logistics because I enjoy supporting people who are better than me with a gun. B. This game has long been in need of some kind of shield support tool.
Cypher Nil wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i understand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5.
I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. NO I main caldari, I run nothing but shield based fits and I disagree with introducing a shield rep tool, shields need a boost in power not a rep tool. if a player can be rep for armor and shields they cannot be killed. it breaks the game. IMO shield fits should be rebalanced to be faster and more resilient then armour fits on a 1 v 1 bases armour fits being rep'd should be more resilient/take more punishment then shield fits with the balance being someone on the team is taken out of the fight due to manning the rep tool. Its as simple as this people You realize that it takes 5 Logistics mk.0 with Proto Triage rep tools to get close to countering the dps of a SINGLE Assault Rifle?
There is no possible way to make a player immune to death without occupying too many people remote-repping them to make it worth it.
Please stop perpetuating this nonsense.
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DRT 99
RAT PATROL INC.
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Posted - 2015.04.15 02:49:00 -
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Armor Repping Minlogis remvoe the major weakness of armor (slow regen) while it gets to maintain its innate HP stacking advantage.
Likewise, a shield logi tool should negate to weakness of shields (raw HP) while avoiding its strength.
Therefore, shield logi tool should provide samage resistance bonus to shields. |
Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
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Posted - 2015.04.15 03:00:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:Armor Repping Minlogis remvoe the major weakness of armor (slow regen) while it gets to maintain its innate HP stacking advantage.
Likewise, a shield logi tool should negate to weakness of shields (raw HP) while avoiding its strength.
Therefore, shield logi tool should provide samage resistance bonus to shields. What's wrong with it just regenerating shield HP the same way the armor tool does?
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M1tch Rapp
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.15 03:02:00 -
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I think it shouldn't be able to rep through damage and it should be more like shield booster. It should be a deployable.
Perhaps it could be able to rep through damage if pulsed like a shield booster. And maybe a suit couldn't receive the boost until after depleted delay.
This would make it less OP if paired with a min logi. You'd have to take cover to recover shields with or without the booster.
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The Dark Cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:33:00 -
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M1tch Rapp wrote:I think it shouldn't be able to rep through damage and it should be more like shield booster. It should be a deployable.
Perhaps it could be able to rep through damage if pulsed like a shield booster. And maybe a suit couldn't receive the boost until after depleted delay.
This would make it less OP if paired with a min logi. You'd have to take cover to recover shields with or without the booster. Deployables for combat scenarios are garbage cause 1 grenade> rep hives. Meanwhile the minlogi can stay like 30m behind a heavy and dont bother to be grenaded cause no grenade in the world has that big of a blast radius. It might be true that a rifle out DPS the reps but thats only the case if you are 100% accurate and all your shots hit the target. The main argument would be that the guy who is getting repped has the advantage cause he basically has more helth to chrew trough.
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Radiant Pancake3
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:42:00 -
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Sned TheDead wrote:I personally would love a shield rep tool, but I see a minor flaw in how useful it would be.
Take for a moment a gallentae sent. (just as an example) if you had this rep tool on the heavy, after the shields are gone, what does it do?
rep through damage like the armour reppers?
and if so how would that work on the shields?
The way I see it it would only work if the shields were repaired only when armour is full, so it may be better to make the current rep tool be able to rep both armour and shields.
Again not saying I don't want one (totally do, really want to see some more cal sents on the field), but rather I don't see how one would work, and if someone else does, please explain. o7 and happy hunting :)
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:08:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:So ive decided to spec into minlogi to see how OP a minlogi is for a armor tanked squad. And holy cow i was right, its the #1 armor tanker crutch in the entire game. Now i undeerstand why people where against my idea for a shield recharger tool. They just want to have a armor exlcusive crutch, they do not want to compete with faster moving shield squads, they do not want competition on their logistic turf. Seriously this is just batshit insane, i can rep a dude accross the street with a lai dai flux reptool and minlogi 5.
I demand that the cal. logi gets reworked to be a shield logi and introduce a shield recharger tool. I love my Cal Logi but it would be nice to get some Nanohives that repair shields or something. I guess the drawback to this idea would be a player throwing out a Hive that reps armor and then throwing out a Hive that reps shields, could be a little OP I guess lol. I do love my Cal Logi tho
Just make their fields cancel each other out destroying both hives.
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