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Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1012	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:26:00 - [1] - Quote Is something going to be done to regarding afk LP farmers in FW during the course of this event? Maybe remove all LP earned? Kuroko sirai of capital aqusitions - play the game and **** off with your afk bullshit - ticket has been filed.
The Modern Creature Incorruptibles 17	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:32:00 - [2] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Is something going to be done to regarding afk LP farmers in FW during the course of this event? Maybe remove all LP earned? Kuroko sirai of capital aqusitions - play the game and **** off with your afk bullshit - ticket has been filed. Just kill them, if they aren't paying attention they'll get booted for not respawning. Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
Drogan Reeth Free Trade Corp 127	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:36:00 - [3] - Quote It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18100	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:03:00 - [4] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7008	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:32:00 - [5] - Quote 150 minimal WP rule needed?
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 730	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:35:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. Seems like it rewards winning, effort not so much Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18102	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:06:00 - [7] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. Seems like it rewards winning, effort not so much Effort -> Wins Wins -> LP LP -> More Effort People don't deserve to be rewarded for losing. If they are what incentive do they have to try? GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 732	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:13:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. Seems like it rewards winning, effort not so much Effort -> Wins Wins -> LP LP -> More Effort People don't deserve to be rewarded for losing. If they are what incentive do they have to try? My point is that in the first 3 mins, if all objectives are capped by the enemy but I stay and fight and go 5-6 and struggle to stay alive there's really not much of a payoff for fighting so hard. Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7930	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:16:00 - [9] - Quote militia bolt pistol to the back of the head. problem solved This is actually the most common reason I TK. Ok second-most common after "I have a burst HMG AND I MUST USE IT NOW!!!!" AV
Vicious Minotaur 2287	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. Seems like it rewards winning, effort not so much Effort -> Wins Wins -> LP LP -> More Effort People don't deserve to be rewarded for losing. If they are what incentive do they have to try? I would just like to point out that no matter what happens, SOMEBODY HAS TO LOSE. This is a game. You want both the winners AND the losers to feel like they got something worthwhile for their effort. You don't want half the people feeling like they got shafted, like their time was wasted. Games should not waste your time. And if they do... well, they are a literal waste of time. Kinda like FW. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë

CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 520	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:53:00 - [11] - Quote It's a mercenary game. And nobody puts the "Mercenary" in a game more than PS3 fps players. And nobody puts the "ME" in Mercenary more that PS3 players too. The game dealt with AFK players and farmers a long time ago, and it was agreed to MINIMIZE them, not totally eliminate them. And arguably, it makes sense in New Eden. Some players are privateers, and exploiters, and social miscreants, and some are worse than that. Any match you play, part of your "Dust Mastery" has to include anticipating "X" number of players out of your team's 16 to be unsuitable to help you in this fight. Make no mistake, being a Newberry is a perfectly legitimate reason not to be able to keep up with us like a superstar--that's cool. Being in the match to "farm" is a privateer habit, and if you want to make your ISK THAT way, I won't hassle you about that---if you go against the enemy, you'll probably only trip me up and get me killed in ways a Newberry never would be so clumsy to do anyway. But Dust allows you to "farm" and still contribute in SOME dinky way to helping your team win, without you just squatting behind a Biomass smokestack or pooping in the MCC. You can farm by buying a single militia uplink and sticking it next to our Home Letter. Or look, get a militia hand-repper, and when you see one of our Intsallations got damaged, take the repper and 'squirt' a little at the Installation. You won't get hurt, and you can farm all you want. You're only a pitiful sight when you're choosing to deliberately do NOTHING at all and tell yourself you deserve a paycheck for being in the match. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7931	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:01:00 - [12] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: TL;DR: Bolt pistol. back of the head. problem solved. fixed that for ya. AV
Drogan Reeth Free Trade Corp 127	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:18:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. Seems like it rewards winning, effort not so much Effort -> Wins Wins -> LP LP -> More Effort People don't deserve to be rewarded for losing. If they are what incentive do they have to try? Where your logic breaks down is that you can tell within the first few minutes which side is going to win. So if you're on the losing side what is the point of trying to do anything if your reward will not be affected.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 918	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:26:00 - [14] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: True Adamance wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. Seems like it rewards winning, effort not so much Effort -> Wins Wins -> LP LP -> More Effort People don't deserve to be rewarded for losing. If they are what incentive do they have to try? Where your logic breaks down is that you can tell within the first few minutes which side is going to win. So if you're on the losing side what is the point of trying to do anything if your reward will not be affected. Has anyone really explained that this mode is Factional Warfare? Allow me to then because most people who complain about low lp payouts for the losing side don't seem to comprehend the concept. This is War. War between the four factions. Now in War you always have your winners and your losers. The winners always get the best rewards and best spoils of war. Why? Because the losers are all dead and gone. Simple as that. I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18107	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:26:00 - [15] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: True Adamance wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Drogan Reeth wrote: It's not the players fault if there's no reward for effort. They would be rewarded if they put in effort. Seems like it rewards winning, effort not so much Effort -> Wins Wins -> LP LP -> More Effort People don't deserve to be rewarded for losing. If they are what incentive do they have to try? My point is that in the first 3 mins, if all objectives are capped by the enemy but I stay and fight and go 5-6 and struggle to stay alive there's really not much of a payoff for fighting so hard. Then you just have to fight harder and smarter. You can't give up for something so petty as material gain. If you are solely interested in that then Pubs or PC is more your thing. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18107	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:27:00 - [16] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Has anyone really explained that this mode is Factional Warfare? Allow me to then because most people who complain about low lp payouts for the losing side don't seem to comprehend the concept. This is War. War between the four factions. Now in War you always have your winners and your losers. The winners always get the best rewards and best spoils of war. Why? Because the losers are all dead and gone. Simple as that. Except we aren't dead and gone.....and its a government supported proxy war so neither side wants a winner. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 918	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:30:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Has anyone really explained that this mode is Factional Warfare? Allow me to then because most people who complain about low lp payouts for the losing side don't seem to comprehend the concept. This is War. War between the four factions. Now in War you always have your winners and your losers. The winners always get the best rewards and best spoils of war. Why? Because the losers are all dead and gone. Simple as that. Except we aren't dead and gone.....and its a government supported proxy war so neither side wants a winner. Damn you True and your superb knowledge of New Eden politics! My point still stands. The better spoils go to the side who achieved victory in that particular district! I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 733	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:34:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Has anyone really explained that this mode is Factional Warfare? Allow me to then because most people who complain about low lp payouts for the losing side don't seem to comprehend the concept. This is War. War between the four factions. Now in War you always have your winners and your losers. The winners always get the best rewards and best spoils of war. Why? Because the losers are all dead and gone. Simple as that. Except we aren't dead and gone.....and its a government supported proxy war so neither side wants a winner. I agree, I just see the reason people are not trying is all. So were going to keep seeing threads like this one. Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Regnier Feros Pielords 291	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:47:00 - [19] - Quote Joel II X wrote: 450 minimal WP rule needed? Seems appropriate "You're like a she-male.. hates gym, doesn't know how to be alpha.. you'll stay in the friendzone for life" -Senpai

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 20195	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:37:00 - [20] - Quote I think a reward threshold and ISK payouts will seal the deal, we are taking a look at FW next week. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7937	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:39:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I think a reward threshold and ISK payouts will seal the deal, we are taking a look at FW next week. You really want me to never set foot in pubs again, don't you? if FW pays decently I'll never do anything other than oppressing people. Commissar Breakin, Morale Officer, reporting for duty. I will encourage our failing brethren to participate by any means necessary. AV
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1016	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:51:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: militia bolt pistol to the back of the head. problem solved This is actually the most common reason I TK. Ok second-most common after "I have a burst HMG AND I MUST USE IT NOW!!!!" Well i did tk the dude 5 times - thing is, in case you hadn't noticed, there is an event on, there's kinda a limit to how many times I can blast his face off - why should I exclude myself from an event because of the cheap behaviour of others? CCP should perma-ban him and give me all his stuff.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18118	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:54:00 - [23] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I think a reward threshold and ISK payouts will seal the deal, we are taking a look at FW next week. You really want me to never set foot in pubs again, don't you? if FW pays decently I'll never do anything other than oppressing people. Commissar Breakin, Morale Officer, reporting for duty. I will encourage our failing brethren to participate by any means necessary. Do what he says or he'll... GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7937	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:55:00 - [24] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: militia bolt pistol to the back of the head. problem solved This is actually the most common reason I TK. Ok second-most common after "I have a burst HMG AND I MUST USE IT NOW!!!!" Well i did tk the dude 5 times - thing is, in case you hadn't noticed, there is an event on, there's kinda a limit to how many times I can blast his face off - why should I exclude myself from an event because of the cheap behaviour of others? CCP should perma-ban him and give me all his stuff. I endorse this solution and encourage it's application. I believer the "keep what you kill" reward policy should apply here. AV
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1225	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:11:00 - [25] - Quote Wait you actually got a FW to see said AFk'ers? Your matchmaking sucked the last time and it still sucks this time.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7939	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:11:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I think a reward threshold and ISK payouts will seal the deal, we are taking a look at FW next week. You really want me to never set foot in pubs again, don't you? if FW pays decently I'll never do anything other than oppressing people. Commissar Breakin, Morale Officer, reporting for duty. I will encourage our failing brethren to participate by any means necessary. Do what he says or he'll... See? Adamance understands. AV
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2525	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:14:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I think a reward threshold and ISK payouts will seal the deal, we are taking a look at FW next week. Hopefully this will cause you to find that 'queue syncing' is just the public squad stomping exaggerated to unbelievable levels. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1924	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:22:00 - [28] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: militia bolt pistol to the back of the head. problem solved This is actually the most common reason I TK. Ok second-most common after "I have a burst HMG AND I MUST USE IT NOW!!!!" Well i did tk the dude 5 times - thing is, in case you hadn't noticed, there is an event on, there's kinda a limit to how many times I can blast his face off - why should I exclude myself from an event because of the cheap behaviour of others? CCP should perma-ban him and give me all his stuff. Why? AFK farming is not forbidden. It's stupedous but true that CCP has never officially said that is an abuse/exploit/griefing or the like. The strongest opinion is 'it is unexpected and unwanted behavior'. CCP Rattati is the only one who has said 'I don't like it' and also introduced mechanisms to discourage afk farming - but still not condemning it. Set it illegal and then cry for banhammer. If something is gonna be done, it's got to be done properly and by the book. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1017	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:39:00 - [29] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: militia bolt pistol to the back of the head. problem solved This is actually the most common reason I TK. Ok second-most common after "I have a burst HMG AND I MUST USE IT NOW!!!!" Well i did tk the dude 5 times - thing is, in case you hadn't noticed, there is an event on, there's kinda a limit to how many times I can blast his face off - why should I exclude myself from an event because of the cheap behaviour of others? CCP should perma-ban him and give me all his stuff. Why? AFK farming is not forbidden. It's stupedous but true that CCP has never officially said that is an abuse/exploit/griefing or the like. The strongest opinion is 'it is unexpected and unwanted behavior'. CCP Rattati is the only one who has said 'I don't like it' and also introduced mechanisms to discourage afk farming - but still not condemning it. Set it illegal and then cry for banhammer. If something is gonna be done, it's got to be done properly and by the book. Sorry to drag you away from standing in your own personal corner of your MCC. What rank are you know? General? I guess its true that all the officers stand out of harms way, whilst 'their troops' do all the dirty work
Middas Betancore 490	Posted - 2015.04.10 02:17:00 - [30] - Quote I think such a small touch as this will do a lot for fw Creating more sustainable fw groups/gameplay, having isk income from fw matches, missions and loot means ppl could play most if not all fw for long periods Maybe somewhere around 50%-75% of the isk you would get in a pub Curbing afk gameplay with wp threshold (300-500 wp imo ) Rewarding more effort with more isk Rewarding Victory with more LP Onnamon 4-State Protectorate Logistics Support- Caldari State Peacekeepers

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18124	Posted - 2015.04.10 02:27:00 - [31] - Quote Middas Betancore wrote: I think such a small touch as this will do a lot for fw Creating more sustainable fw groups/gameplay, having isk income from fw matches, missions and loot means ppl could play most if not all fw for long periods Maybe somewhere around 50%-75% of the isk you would get in a pub Curbing afk gameplay with wp threshold (300-500 wp imo ) Rewarding more effort with more isk Rewarding Victory with more LP Did you read Kirk's FW proposal about the nodes/complexes gameplay where the novice and small complexes were specifically designed for small scale 4v4 or 6v6 gameplay and large complexes were specifically for 16v16 matches. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Middas Betancore 490	Posted - 2015.04.10 02:43:00 - [32] - Quote Like eve fw complexes, I like the idea of tiers within fw More strategic control on where to deploy is also good Fw lik+¬ pc is due some gameplay attention, I'm personally not sure on limitations of what we are able to create A kind of voluntary segregation like the ccomplexes mechanic could work Onnamon 4-State Protectorate Logistics Support- Caldari State Peacekeepers


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