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Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7586	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:53:00 - [61] - Quote iam the director of Negative-Impact I was under the impression that people in this game were mercs or something... My districts are defended by mercs that are hired and paid.... With love. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll take your districts and hurt you. Get Dust ISK Here
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1132	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:01:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: After spending the week with PC corporation representatives (The PC Think Tank), the issue of ringers has come up quite often. The consensus seems to be that ringers should exist, but not be risk free and as prevalant as now, particularly at the expense of homegrown talent. More to follow later. lol theres only like 50 players playing PC right now anyways. that PC lag is your biggest killer of the game. Maybe because they get crushed by the best 16 everytime they try? CUSE wouldn't really know about this part, since I handled that for KEQ. ;P Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7586	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:41:00 - [63] - Quote Anyways... Ringers are a problem. but... As someone who ringers for others.: My corp is not large enough to field a full team so majority of my PC battles come from helping other corps in their PC battles. As someone who owns districts because of ringers: Many people out there have the same problem as me they do not have enough members in there corp so ringing is the only way they get battles. Getting rid of ringers would push a lot of people out of PC because they don't want to join a mainstream corp. I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll take your districts and hurt you. Get Dust ISK Here
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9259	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:57:00 - [64] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Anyways... Ringers are a problem. but... As someone who ringers for others.: My corp is not large enough to field a full team so majority of my PC battles come from helping other corps in their PC battles. As someone who owns districts because of ringers: Many people out there have the same problem as me they do not have enough members in there corp so ringing is the only way they get battles. Getting rid of ringers would push a lot of people out of PC because they don't want to join a mainstream corp. I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. Whatever mechanism there would be to limit Ringers must be effective enough that Corp size matters, that Corps/Alliances can't simply rely on a relatively small number of players to fight a majority of battles (thus ignoring growth of a Corp, providing experience to novice/intermediary players), and that it prevents Corps/Alliances from locking a number of districts. Otherwise, you simply end up with a system ready to be abused. As we ARE mercenaries, I don't think ringing should be eliminated, but it certainly must be kept in check, or else a minority of mercs will limit the ability of a significant number of people from real, meaningful PC participation. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 330	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:04:00 - [65] - Quote PC Districts could be put into SP driven tiers. A teams fight over A districts, but not B or C. B and C teams fight over districts of lesser worth, but can participate in the A tier fights if needed. Mercs will make Alts to fight in the lower tiers. Maybe they already have alts and will purchase respecs to specialize those alts to contribute better in their tiers. Money will be made. PC will be more inclusive. Ringers using their 50mil+ toons would be limited to the most valuable districts, but which would grant the greatest rewards. Lower tier mercs will cut their teeth in the lesser districts and dream of the day they get called up into an A tier fightGÇª Joy will be had. Tears will be collected. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
Mastodonhead CURSED GEAR 25	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:07:00 - [66] - Quote xPainx Pain wrote: Pc is broken. A good idea is to have only players from ally corps and not those from other places or corp only in battles. Some have lots of good players but in other corps and their corp alone is not good enough to be in a pc. You can see 3 men corps with districts but defend and atack with players from multiple corps. 1 Ex of this is the corp Adult XXX Enterteinment on BC only 1 or 2 are members of this corp, anyone else are fron OH, NS, PE, etc etc I feel like shit!!!................................. but at least i feel something!!! Sangre por Sangre de por vida \m/
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7586	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:54:00 - [67] - Quote Mastodonhead wrote: xPainx Pain wrote: Pc is broken. A good idea is to have only players from ally corps and not those from other places or corp only in battles. Some have lots of good players but in other corps and their corp alone is not good enough to be in a pc. You can see 3 men corps with districts but defend and atack with players from multiple corps. 1 Ex of this is the corp Adult XXX Enterteinment on BC only 1 or 2 are members of this corp, anyone else are fron OH, NS, PE, etc etc I don't think nyian san even pc's and who is PE? Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll take your districts and hurt you. Get Dust ISK Here
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18110	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:07:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: After spending the week with PC corporation representatives (The PC Think Tank), the issue of ringers has come up quite often. The consensus seems to be that ringers should exist, but not be risk free and as prevalant as now, particularly at the expense of homegrown talent. More to follow later. Hey man, ringing is my only main source of income. How am I going to feed my kids? If ringers become scarce, good ringers go up in price? More money for you I guess Concerns somewhat allayed by inference of economic concepts...... but what about fielding entire mercenary teams to achieve specific ends? Is this ever likely to be a possibility? GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 2386	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:17:00 - [69] - Quote listen the little corps in PC will all ways get stomped by more experienced players there ain't no changeing that. at least fix it so they aren't lagging while getting stomped because that right there has made 1000s of players quit after trying 1 battle. this game would probably be 10 times more boring without ringers but if you think some how it will make the game better for new players then try it. what would happen is all the vets would join 3 corps and stomp out all the little corps and get bored fighting each other. this changes the game in no way shape or form. waisting a whole patch once again while the core of the game is still broken 2 1/2 year in. CBM. KEQ diplomat. lolceasefire
Mastodonhead CURSED GEAR 25	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:26:00 - [70] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Mastodonhead wrote: xPainx Pain wrote: Pc is broken. A good idea is to have only players from ally corps and not those from other places or corp only in battles. Some have lots of good players but in other corps and their corp alone is not good enough to be in a pc. You can see 3 men corps with districts but defend and atack with players from multiple corps. 1 Ex of this is the corp Adult XXX Enterteinment on BC only 1 or 2 are members of this corp, anyone else are fron OH, NS, PE, etc etc I don't think nyian san even pc's and who is PE? Planet Express I feel like shit!!!................................. but at least i feel something!!! Sangre por Sangre de por vida \m/

Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2978	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:26:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: After spending the week with PC corporation representatives (The PC Think Tank), the issue of ringers has come up quite often. The consensus seems to be that ringers should exist, but not be risk free and as prevalant as now, particularly at the expense of homegrown talent. More to follow later. Perhaps add a "fee" for bringing ringers. have it increase exponentially once you are over a certain amount. for example, 4 ringers incurs a penalty of 200,000. 5 ringers is 1 mill. 6 ringers is 3.5 mill. On and on until you receive no profit for the battle over a certain amount of ringers. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1132	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:27:00 - [72] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7586	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:48:00 - [73] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. Corps don't run ringers because they feel threatene, they run ringer just because they can or need to. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll take your districts and hurt you. Get Dust ISK Here
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1442	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:03:00 - [74] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. Corps don't run ringers because they feel threatene, they run ringer just because they can or need to. Why hold districts if you dont have a corp to defend them? Cant you just ring for others if you want PC battles? Im not against ringers per se, but I have a LOT more respect for those who field full corp teams. People hire ringers because they aren't good enough to do it on their own. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Mastodonhead CURSED GEAR 25	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:10:00 - [75] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. Corps don't run ringers because they feel threatene, they run ringer just because they can or need to. That's right and i agree with you, but as you say at least and only the players of the Alliance should be Allowed I feel like shit!!!................................. but at least i feel something!!! Sangre por Sangre de por vida \m/
DUST Fiend 16296	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:20:00 - [76] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. There aren't exactly a wealth of high SP players left in this game who actually play to any serious extent. Limiting the number of players who can participate even further may not exactly help issues. Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1132	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:46:00 - [77] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. There aren't exactly a wealth of high SP players left in this game who actually play to any serious extent. Limiting the number of players who can participate even further may not exactly help issues. Well the somewhat forlorn hope here is that whatever changes made will substantially improve accessibility to PC. Either way, who gives a **** about the health of the current PC iteration? You can't get deader than dead. Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
DUST Fiend 16296	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:48:00 - [78] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. There aren't exactly a wealth of high SP players left in this game who actually play to any serious extent. Limiting the number of players who can participate even further may not exactly help issues. Well the somewhat forlorn hope here is that whatever changes made will substantially improve accessibility to PC. Either way, who gives a **** about the health of the current PC iteration? You can't get deader than dead. That won't change at all though if the average FPS in any given PC match is 5 Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2015.04.10 02:08:00 - [79] - Quote I think a way to build teams is key to making it less of a beat down getting ready for PC. I think 2.5 mil for "clone programming" per non-alliance player. I think raiding districts and team deploy in faction warfare have to happen. PC itself will have to be very lucrative to create progression. I think a total revamp is needed in the reward structure. It should be obvious that the majority of the people playing this game are not motivated to rise to the highest levels of the game. With such a low PC population it's hardly surprising it's all down to ringers.
Jack the Rlpper OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 168	Posted - 2015.04.10 02:33:00 - [80] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: dam DMG crys more about stuff then my girl watching the titanic on her period. lol Cuse and a few other no lifer assholes that feel they are gods gift to dust just want it even easier for them to act like the gods and run over the small corp when honestly they are just a group of stupid no life bitches in my opinion. Give me ISK please so I may better myself and fight the war of proto forever.

Everything Dies Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny 1324	Posted - 2015.04.10 05:44:00 - [81] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: After spending the week with PC corporation representatives (The PC Think Tank), the issue of ringers has come up quite often. The consensus seems to be that ringers should exist, but not be risk free and as prevalant as now, particularly at the expense of homegrown talent. More to follow later. I made this suggestion a long time ago: Clone penalties for every non-corp member on your team. For example, say you have a battle with 150 clones on each side. Team A has 12 corp members and 4 alliance ringers in the battle, whereas Team B has 3 corp members, 10 alliance ringers and 3 mercenaries from outside of the corp/alliance. For Team A, they could face a two or three clone penalty for each alliance ringer. We'll go with 3, so that would leave Team A to fight with 138 clones in the battle. For Team B, they'd lose thirty clones for the alliance ringers in addition to another 15 clones for the 3 mercs (higher penalty for bringing in help from outside of the alliance) leaving them with 105 for the battle. This way, you'd be rewarding corps for fielding full teams while also still allowing for the benefits of an alliance (reduced clone penalty) as well as letting the truly elite ringers come with a risk/reward price tag. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1132	Posted - 2015.04.10 05:46:00 - [82] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. There aren't exactly a wealth of high SP players left in this game who actually play to any serious extent. Limiting the number of players who can participate even further may not exactly help issues. Well the somewhat forlorn hope here is that whatever changes made will substantially improve accessibility to PC. Either way, who gives a **** about the health of the current PC iteration? You can't get deader than dead. That won't change at all though if the average FPS in any given PC match is 5 You say that as if it's news to me. But I have one of the longest histories of trying to consolidate feedback about PC lag of anyone around town. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1301431 Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
xPainx Pain Pendejitos Smart Deploy 33	Posted - 2015.04.10 06:06:00 - [83] - Quote When we deploy clones to a district some are lost in the way. Every corp has a location depending on how far the ringers corp is from the attacked or defended district then that clone loss would be subtracted from the total clones in the actual pc. This wouldultimately use the logic already used in deploying clones across de galaxy and thus implementing this same thing in deploying ringers. Those who do not risk have already lost..
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 516	Posted - 2015.04.10 06:24:00 - [84] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: After spending the week with PC corporation representatives (The PC Think Tank), the issue of ringers has come up quite often. The consensus seems to be that ringers should exist, but not be risk free and as prevalant as now, particularly at the expense of homegrown talent. More to follow later. lol theres only like 50 players playing PC right now anyways. that PC lag is your biggest killer of the game. Maybe because they get crushed by the best 16 everytime they try? You're so wrong hahaha! The 16 you're talking about are lagging like hell that's why you think they are "the best". How can't you see it? Don't you play your own game? Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7587	Posted - 2015.04.10 06:32:00 - [85] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not mind some limitation on ringers, but i feel like at least alliance ringers should be allowed unrestricted or else there would not be much reason for alliances or advantages of alliances. My impression is that this is certainly supported by most in the community. It's just a matter of downsizing the ease with which corps run entire teams of completely unassociated players any time they feel remotely threatened. Corps don't run ringers because they feel threatene, they run ringer just because they can or need to. Why hold districts if you dont have a corp to defend them? Cant you just ring for others if you want PC battles? Im not against ringers per se, but I have a LOT more respect for those who field full corp teams. People hire ringers because they aren't good enough to do it on their own. Whats the difference between ringing for others and having them ring for me? Not everyone is really out to be respected, liked or be nice. Some just like to pick fights and kick down sand castles. That's the fun part of PC, not really the battles themselves. The meta game is engaging. Also taking away ringers is going to hurt a lot of smaller corps. the large and vet corps will adapt quickly to it. The small corps will still be small and now won't be able to fill the last few spots because a lot of smaller corps can't field 16 at a time. If there are current ringers that are not in a PC they will be joining the large corps, not the small corps. This might possibly lower the corps in PC to lower than what i currently is. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll take your districts and hurt you. Get Dust ISK Here
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7593	Posted - 2015.04.10 07:07:00 - [86] - Quote Jack the Rlpper wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: dam DMG crys more about stuff then my girl watching the titanic on her period. lol Cuse and a few other no lifer assholes that feel they are gods gift to dust just want it even easier for them to act like the gods and run over the small corp when honestly they are just a group of stupid no life bitches in my opinion. who gave the poors their talking privileges back? I'm going back to my castle on mt. meildolf where i don't have to look at them... Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll take your districts and hurt you. Get Dust ISK Here
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5967	Posted - 2015.04.10 11:13:00 - [87] - Quote Just add high-sec district battles in which only players from the corps that are fighting can compete, lower ISK payout, but maybe include a betting system and spectator mode that anyone can click into. Sort of like the Arena modes CCP promised us years back.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1242	Posted - 2015.04.10 11:26:00 - [88] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: As Immortal Mercenaries, doesn't it make sense that a corporation would be able to hire mercenaries to do mercenary work? Yes, but the result of the ownership of said district should then be cut into segments. giving a % of ownership to the corp of each player involved. If you want an ally corp to assist with a takeback, mayhaps their "fee" is 10% of the district etc. This would add another layer of risk to those who think just to grab as large a group as possible to take over a location. Unless you can get them all to hand over their %'s, the area won't be exclusively owned. Yadda yadda. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2184	Posted - 2015.04.10 11:37:00 - [89] - Quote The people supporting the use of ringers are the guys giving the best reasons to end the ability to do so. Unleash the BIMBOBOT!
ReGnYuM Carne Con Papas 3646	Posted - 2015.04.10 12:27:00 - [90] - Quote I don't about the new Big Dog's of PC but me personally. I would be making a list of those corporations so vocally against Ringing. Maybe a vacation in Exile Island would give them more time to measure the Pro and Cons of ringing



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