DUST Search - Corporation Dropsuit Fits GÇô Helping the NPE

DJINN Jecture wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

DJINN Jecture wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts.

Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. Ugh

Sorry I was unclear, please correct me if I'm wrong but the packaged fits are available on the market through CASH Aurum sales. To me this seems kinda broken being able to just pay money to use all the proto/advanced gear well before skills are trained.

ISK variants notwithstanding this is still broken.

To further clarify, if CCP puts together great fits for everyone to use that are ISK variants of Faction Gear this allows players to just say ok everyone run this setup, if it is OP as it sounds like it may be if you run all 3 tiers out then you have more QQ about Proto Paladins and whatnot, not to mention the fact that they are paying ISK for them not CASH as the other slightly less broken packaged suits are.

If they are released as Skill Point equivalent fits I would have no issue with this as it doesn't manipulate game balance but if it is a lower skill requirement at all then its a big NO NO NO.

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Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 512	Posted - 2015.04.07 11:56:00 - [1] - Quote TLDR GÇô BPC Apex Suits set by corps (and maybe Corp livery?) So one of the best ways to improve the NPE is to get them involved in active corps, but given the current set up of no tax on NPC corps there is little incentive to join What IGÇÖm proposing is that corporations get their own dropsuit fittings, which would serve to both educate new players on good fits but also allow earlier access to dropsuits/equipment Apex suits have set a precedence for this with you not being required to have skilled into the suit Conditions will apply 1 per role (Scout, Assault, etc) Time limit on changing the fittings, to avoid FOTM spam New Corp Role GÇô Fittings Officer, sets up the suits Proposal 1 GÇô Corporate Apex style BPCs Fittings Officer sets up the suits in a similar manner to the current Apex suits, easiest to implement Proto suit fit with basic gear Fittings Officer must be skilled into the suits/mods End Users skills apply to the suit (role bonus/cores) Isk Price = Base Cost + Corp Tax Proposal 2 GÇô Corporate Apex style BPCs Plus Apex with beneftis As above but Fittings Officer Core skills apply (HP/EWAR) Isk Price = Base Cost + Corp tax + 5% GÇÿfitting optimisation protocolsGÇÖ Proposal 3 GÇô PC Ready A Corps recommended fit, benefits from fittings officer CPU/PG skills but end users must be skilled into the relevant mods. Any suit/module purchasable from the market allowed Fittings Officer must be skilled into the suits/mods Fittings Officer CPU/PG skills apply End Users must be skilled into the mods End Users skills apply to the suit (role bonus/cores) Isk Price = Base Cost + Corp tax Aur version available to reduce required skills LP version available to reduce required skills Proposal 4 GÇô New player Experience Substantial benefit to new players allowing them to fit anything but their own skills apply, mitigated by increased ISK costs, ideal to bring friends into the game to ease the grind (if you can bankroll them). Any suit/module purchasable from the market allowed Fittings Officer must be skilled into the suits/mods Fittings Officer CPU/PG skills apply End users have no SP restrictions (can run anything) Users end skills apply to the suit (role bonus/cores) Isk Price = Base Cost + Corp tax + 10% GÇÿfitting simplification protocolsGÇÖ So, any feedback? The last one is my preferred proposal as it helps eliminate one of the biggest barriers to entry without trivialising existing players SP investment (i.e. a proto amarr assault without the level 5 heat reduction is not going to be as good) ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 19963	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:43:00 - [2] - Quote We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 317	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:50:00 - [3] - Quote Ultimately I believe PG and CPU are items that allow suits to ensure that the fittings are not OP or too good for a player's skills based on how long and well they have played, having a person fit their Pro-Roll suits for them goes around core gameplay mechanics by adding a new one, that could just as easily be avoided by showing the player the Protofit page and the suit setup the "fitting officer" recommends. Then bankroll him. Its not hard. This works, although to bring X op weapon to the battle the player needs to invest skill points. Totally fair, and although you can't just give them a gun and say go shoot at the target dummy until you can hit it between the eyes, this is Dust, not COD or BF where you can salvage weapons off the battlefield either. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 317	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:52:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 19964	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:56:00 - [5] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. ? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Avallo Kantor 602	Posted - 2015.04.07 13:28:00 - [6] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. Maybe you missed the part where he said ISK BPC loadouts Unless you consider paying ISK to be PTW... then no, this plan has nothing PTW about it.
Moorian Flav 323	Posted - 2015.04.07 14:45:00 - [7] - Quote I think all he read was APEX and then posted. BTW, APEX is not PTW either. I have one (purchased via LP) but rarely use it as it's okay but there are much better options available. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars 136	Posted - 2015.04.07 15:05:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. ? Wow! This guy swung so hard to shut this down he didn't see the value. Rattati Wheaton (I am going to continue calling you this. It is awesome, own it.) So many corps need a way to entice mercs to join. Even if PCs become more standard, corps need to add value for new players. I would say require the corp to polarize a little to differentiate. They can provide one races worth of weapons and mods or suits. Maybe even polarize to one style of fitting, scouts, heavies, assaults, ... This is for newer players so the salty old mercs will run what they run now but to entice players to jump or reorganize, make the fitting reduced in market cost (isk) by tiers if a certain level of LP is gained by the corp monthly. Give the corp an ability to leverage more than knowledge of fittings hence the discount. Yeah, you get a 5% tax, but you get a 10% discount on the Amarr Heavy corp fitting. Wait you hate Amarr, jump over to a different corp and get your Cal Scout corp fitting discounted. This drives corps to commit to their decision for the fitting. (Sorry fellow players, I need to bait CCP) Also if you want to make some money let the Corp change this fitting by applying AUR. Otherwise it has a timer. This would fit awesome with the colors scheme as well. Then you have the corp of stabby scouts, the corp of jumping cal assaults with mass drivers, ... You get my drift. Now to start shotgunning and REing again, everyone will love this play style. Face Palm!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7864	Posted - 2015.04.07 15:07:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. ? Don't attempt to translate stupid into logic and sanity. It never works. AV
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 318	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:03:00 - [10] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. Maybe you missed the part where he said ISK BPC loadouts Unless you consider paying ISK to be PTW... then no, this plan has nothing PTW about it. APEX suits are Cash money yo. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*

DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 318	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:06:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. ? Sorry I was unclear, please correct me if I'm wrong but the packaged fits are available on the market through CASH Aurum sales. To me this seems kinda broken being able to just pay money to use all the proto/advanced gear well before skills are trained. ISK variants notwithstanding this is still broken. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 318	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:18:00 - [12] - Quote As to Corp livery that is a different story altogether, inspiring fear by showing your colors on the battlefield is a definitely positive addition to the game, and consider also individual player customizations as well to the color palette of the suits, for instance a scout with desert camo in a personal design or a logi that doesn't look like a bumble-bee. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2015.04.07 18:19:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. So I will FINALLY be able to get an actual BPO on my character? I wish I could earn LP as a solo player...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7870	Posted - 2015.04.07 18:54:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. ? Sorry I was unclear, please correct me if I'm wrong but the packaged fits are available on the market through CASH Aurum sales. To me this seems kinda broken being able to just pay money to use all the proto/advanced gear well before skills are trained. ISK variants notwithstanding this is still broken. To further clarify, if CCP puts together great fits for everyone to use that are ISK variants of Faction Gear this allows players to just say ok everyone run this setup, if it is OP as it sounds like it may be if you run all 3 tiers out then you have more QQ about Proto Paladins and whatnot, not to mention the fact that they are paying ISK for them not CASH as the other slightly less broken packaged suits are. If they are released as Skill Point equivalent fits I would have no issue with this as it doesn't manipulate game balance but if it is a lower skill requirement at all then its a big NO NO NO. FFS its already started with baseline combat frames in the ISK market. They aren't specialist suits. They also aren't aurum prefits and they're fking ISK ONLY. And they're decent so far. your attack dog act whenever someone mentions something that might potentially have an aur sale is getting old. Especially when the feature discussed has nothing to do with aur. Get less poor scrub. AV
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3034	Posted - 2015.04.07 19:43:00 - [15] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. Jecture, I'm going to be nice this one time.Notice that he said ISK, not AUR. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7875	Posted - 2015.04.07 19:45:00 - [16] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. Jecture, I'm going to be nice this one time.Notice that he said ISK, not AUR. Screw nice that was juvenile. AV
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4234	Posted - 2015.04.07 19:47:00 - [17] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. Soooo.... how does one make ISK items P2W? Also, how do the stats of the APEX suits equate to a proto stomp fit? I have quoted both posts above, but still feel compelled to ask if we are reading the same post because I'm at a total loss how you've derived what you have from it. ~ Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 787	Posted - 2015.04.07 20:42:00 - [18] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: As to Corp livery that is a different story altogether, inspiring fear by showing your colors on the battlefield is a definitely positive addition to the game, and consider also individual player customizations as well to the color palette of the suits, for instance a scout with desert camo in a personal design or a logi that doesn't look like a bumble-bee. Amen to ending the Bumble Bee look... As I say that I have fearful visions of CCP interpreting that comment as "more neon pink"... so, it could be worse :) The Logi Code. Creator, Believer, Follower
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 515	Posted - 2015.04.07 22:17:00 - [19] - Quote There's nothing like having your thread derailed by the third post... But anyway, this proposal is about giving people a new reason to actually join a Corp and Ratatti, however you fit your new BPCs you're always going to get people complaining about how they could do a better job. ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 194	Posted - 2015.04.07 22:32:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. ? Why is profit a dirty word these days? Its like you want the devs to work all day and then eat raw carrots and live in a box on the side of the road. haha n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +24 Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10077	Posted - 2015.04.07 23:30:00 - [21] - Quote Some people don't know how to read. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 319	Posted - 2015.04.08 01:38:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: FFS its already started with baseline combat frames in the ISK market. They aren't specialist suits(yet). They also aren't aurum prefits and they're fking ISK ONLY. And they're decent so far. your attack dog act whenever someone mentions something that might potentially have an aur sale is getting old. Especially when the feature discussed has nothing to do with aur. Get less poor scrub. Tell you what, I'll see if Kujo will give me that 100 Mil back of mine he stole from Hellstorm's Corp wallet when he left... somehow I don't think I will get it back. Getting less poor by the day, but ofc its not really about getting less poor its about not wanting to blow your entire reward from a match on one suit (200k+ Isk for my Pro Logi) and besides I didn't say I can't afford proto, I said it affects game balance, just because you happen to be a goon doesn't mean the rest of us want to break the game. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 319	Posted - 2015.04.08 01:40:00 - [23] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. Jecture, I'm going to be nice this one time.Notice that he said ISK, not AUR. Yeah I re-read the comment after he posted but still think this affects balance. EDIT:I did notice though that by misreading something I actually got a reply from CCP in the shortest time ever imaginable. Even if it was just a question mark. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
killian178 Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 133	Posted - 2015.04.08 04:54:00 - [24] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a similar idea, make top grade standardized loadouts, all the way to proto, and demonstrate as a progression tree to the player. Preferably using faction fitting styles, similarly as APEX's, but ISK BPC loadouts. Glad to see you have your PTW formula calculated for profit but there is already enough spam about proto rollers on the forums. ? Why is profit a dirty word these days? Its like you want the devs to work all day and then eat raw carrots and live in a box on the side of the road. haha Wait........ (Looks aroud) who gave their boxes......... jk Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 632	Posted - 2015.04.08 05:26:00 - [25] - Quote Anyway, I would like to get this thread back on topic by asking a question. Will there be a separate tab in the marketplace to buy these corp recommended fits?
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 426	Posted - 2015.04.08 14:55:00 - [26] - Quote Goes back to an idea I had that I feel fixes a lot of problems: Assembled fittings. So instead of having a mess of 15 of this module, 82 of that module, 47 of this weapon, you actually "assemble" your own loadouts. Each assembled loadout takes one copy of each item out of your inventory and adds one copy of the full loadout to your fitting screen. This is a better way to do "restock to" because you can use the same module/weapon on multiple fittings without having to manually restock them to a certain point. Hypothetically you could also make these assembled fittings available to your corp in a corp warehouse someday (you'd have to disallow BPOs from such corp-shared fittings, but I think that goes without saying).
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 319	Posted - 2015.04.08 18:11:00 - [27] - Quote Goric Rumis wrote: Goes back to an idea I had that I feel fixes a lot of problems: Assembled fittings. So instead of having a mess of 15 of this module, 82 of that module, 47 of this weapon, you actually "assemble" your own loadouts. Each assembled loadout takes one copy of each item out of your inventory and adds one copy of the full loadout to your fitting screen. This is a better way to do "restock to" because you can use the same module/weapon on multiple fittings without having to manually restock them to a certain point. Hypothetically you could also make these assembled fittings available to your corp in a corp warehouse someday (you'd have to disallow BPOs from such corp-shared fittings, but I think that goes without saying). Yes RESTOCK TO >100 works well on any fitting *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*


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