DUST Search - What is the single worst thing to happen to Dust?

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

DeathwindRising wrote:

What would you consider the worst thing to happen to dust why?

For me, it's cloaking devices. Back in beta, battles were alot more honest. NO ONE could charge straight at an enemy squad or clear out a whole whole single handedly, yet today because cloaking devices (and other mechanics related to scouts) I see it often.

Situation awareness used to be a thing, until CCP literally took it out of the game. There's no skill in being invisible. Cloaking devices never added anything of value to the game. It broke game balance so badly that it took months of buffs to other suit classes just to compete. If CCP would ever remove anything from Dust 514, I would want the cloaks to go away like black ops tanks did, and never come back.

Same as the cloak users complaining that the cloaks were nerfed too hard, you are swinging way too far in the opposite direction.

Cloaking devices were meant to give Scout suits the ability to safely cross open terrain with no cover which they used to have issues with. People using them as GOTCHA bullshit was part of why the CPM was so insistent on not going with CCP's original concept, which would have had NO movement shimmer whatsoever.

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DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 956	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:02:00 - [1] - Quote What would you consider the worst thing to happen to dust why? For me, it's cloaking devices. Back in beta, battles were alot more honest. NO ONE could charge straight at an enemy squad or clear out a whole whole single handedly, yet today because cloaking devices (and other mechanics related to scouts) I see it often. Situation awareness used to be a thing, until CCP literally took it out of the game. There's no skill in being invisible. Cloaking devices never added anything of value to the game. It broke game balance so badly that it took months of buffs to other suit classes just to compete. If CCP would ever remove anything from Dust 514, I would want the cloaks to go away like black ops tanks did, and never come back.
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5885	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:04:00 - [2] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: What would you consider the worst thing to happen to dust why? For me, it's cloaking devices. Back in beta, battles were alot more honest. NO ONE could charge straight at an enemy squad or clear out a whole whole single handedly, yet today because cloaking devices (and other mechanics related to scouts) I see it often. Situation awareness used to be a thing, until CCP literally took it out of the game. There's no skill in being invisible. Cloaking devices never added anything of value to the game. It broke game balance so badly that it took months of buffs to other suit classes just to compete. If CCP would ever remove anything from Dust 514, I would want the cloaks to go away like black ops tanks did, and never come back. Same as the cloak users complaining that the cloaks were nerfed too hard, you are swinging way too far in the opposite direction. Cloaking devices were meant to give Scout suits the ability to safely cross open terrain with no cover which they used to have issues with. People using them as GOTCHA bullshit was part of why the CPM was so insistent on not going with CCP's original concept, which would have had NO movement shimmer whatsoever. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1128	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:06:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Jian Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
Albyat Tyre Glitched Connection 114	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:08:00 - [4] - Quote Most of theposts in the forums. To live as one shall live, I prefer killing red dots.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 258	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:09:00 - [5] - Quote I know it sounds iffy but... Aim assist. Gun game when flying out the window. Lower TTK... And i wasn't here for it but leaving chromosome... People always talk how that was the best feel dust had... Chrome + Ratt + ppl before rouge wedding = perfect. Sooooo! I've come to the conclusion that the wedding was the worst... It made so many people leave dust... And now people are in fear that one day we'll just get abandoned or told "this is a beta" Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6471	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:09:00 - [6] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: CCP Jian Is this the person responsible for FF 2014?
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6116	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:11:00 - [7] - Quote 1.7 (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3234	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:16:00 - [8] - Quote Aim assist which led to TTK. Thank You Shamarskii Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2906	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:16:00 - [9] - Quote The Caldari Prime and the Templar events. As I understand it, there was a massive use of resources to make those events happen at the most critical time in the game's lifecycle. If those resources had instead been spent improving the game we probably would have had a much better release, which would have meant better reviews, more players sticking around. All of this would have lead to a larger developer team and would have snowballed into a radically different future for the game. I know some people remember those events fondly, but we paid an insanely high price for them. Best PvE idea ever!
DUST Fiend 16239	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:18:00 - [10] - Quote Firing our dev team. Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe

Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6116	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:20:00 - [11] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: The Caldari Prime and the Templar events. As I understand it, there was a massive use of resources to make those events happen at the most critical time in the game's lifecycle. If those resources had instead been spent improving the game we probably would have had a much better release, which would have meant better reviews, more players sticking around. All of this would have lead to a larger developer team and would have snowballed into a radically different future for the game. I know some people remember those events fondly, but we paid an insanely high price for them. Tbh no it wouldn't, simple because Rattati, he listens, they didn't plain and simple. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Sennina Sovereign ROGUE RELICS 4	Posted - 2015.04.05 04:25:00 - [12] - Quote I think the worst thing that has happened in dust is the series of nerfs of the HMG. First off, they increase the heat build-up of the gun, making it faster to overheat the gun. Then they nerf it again by not only reducing the damage of the gun, but also reducing its effectiveness towards vehicles( I remember taking down an Incubus with my ADV HMG). This game is supposed to take place tens of thousands of years into the future, so why does the HMG feel like it came from WW2. I feel that the HMG will always get the short end of the stick when CCP decides to nerf/buff stuff. In my opinion, if some weapon is OP, then buff the other weapons in order to balance it out(Example: Nerfing the EXCREMENT out of the Breach AR 's ammo is a no-no, now to many people, it's the worst performing AR out there). I feel that if the HMG were back to its original state, it would give justice to its nickname, "Death's Machine".
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1615	Posted - 2015.04.05 05:11:00 - [13] - Quote Cloaks. Being invisible is just too much of an advantage. They aren't completely OP, just inherently bad. On the other hand, some people like them and if they keep people playing then they can't be the worst thing to happen to Dust. Maybe 1.7 tanks. Because, that's why.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2641	Posted - 2015.04.05 05:27:00 - [14] - Quote The poor core fps mechanics, buggy implementation and half-assed development standards that got Dust dismissed by the gaming press and most of the players who tried it. But that was only a symptom - the cause was something broken in Reykjavik that made CCP unable to see past it's own kittenshit. PSN: RationalSpark
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9533	Posted - 2015.04.05 05:33:00 - [15] - Quote The only correct answer is deciding to call the incomplete product that was Uprising 1.0 the "official release" and allowing all the make gaming media to review the game as though it was a finished product. "Dust 514 may be free, but it's not worth a minute of your time." All the players trying it out, getting the wrong impression, and never trying it again. Just a terrible way to "launch"a game. Should of kept the beta title. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1223	Posted - 2015.04.05 05:42:00 - [16] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: What would you consider the worst thing to happen to dust why? For me, it's cloaking devices. Back in beta, battles were alot more honest. NO ONE could charge straight at an enemy squad or clear out a whole whole single handedly, yet today because cloaking devices (and other mechanics related to scouts) I see it often. Situation awareness used to be a thing, until CCP literally took it out of the game. There's no skill in being invisible. Cloaking devices never added anything of value to the game. It broke game balance so badly that it took months of buffs to other suit classes just to compete. If CCP would ever remove anything from Dust 514, I would want the cloaks to go away like black ops tanks did, and never come back. What? You can see the people.... if you're aware of your surroundings. Using the radar does not qualify as "situational awareness". http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19112	Posted - 2015.04.05 06:42:00 - [17] - Quote Me? CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Leither Yiltron molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1128	Posted - 2015.04.05 06:47:00 - [18] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: CCP Jian Is this the person responsible for FF 2014? Say rather "Uprising 1.0". He was the executive producer at the time, yes. Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
GRIM GEAR Nos Nothi 470	Posted - 2015.04.05 06:53:00 - [19] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: What would you consider the worst thing to happen to dust why? For me, it's cloaking devices. Back in beta, battles were alot more honest. NO ONE could charge straight at an enemy squad or clear out a whole whole single handedly, yet today because cloaking devices (and other mechanics related to scouts) I see it often. Situation awareness used to be a thing, until CCP literally took it out of the game. There's no skill in being invisible. Cloaking devices never added anything of value to the game. It broke game balance so badly that it took months of buffs to other suit classes just to compete. If CCP would ever remove anything from Dust 514, I would want the cloaks to go away like black ops tanks did, and never come back. Dust being on the ps3 in the first place, get rekt yolo swag Cup of tea anyone? I came here to mingle can you hear that jingle that would be me lingle.
The Eristic Dust 90210 853	Posted - 2015.04.05 07:29:00 - [20] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: CCP Jian I've been waiting to use this for ages. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1061	Posted - 2015.04.05 08:26:00 - [21] - Quote The single worst thing... Players leaving. We need more people! Start advertising this game ffs! Found my favorite DJ - ATB
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 957	Posted - 2015.04.05 08:32:00 - [22] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: What would you consider the worst thing to happen to dust why? For me, it's cloaking devices. Back in beta, battles were alot more honest. NO ONE could charge straight at an enemy squad or clear out a whole whole single handedly, yet today because cloaking devices (and other mechanics related to scouts) I see it often. Situation awareness used to be a thing, until CCP literally took it out of the game. There's no skill in being invisible. Cloaking devices never added anything of value to the game. It broke game balance so badly that it took months of buffs to other suit classes just to compete. If CCP would ever remove anything from Dust 514, I would want the cloaks to go away like black ops tanks did, and never come back. Same as the cloak users complaining that the cloaks were nerfed too hard, you are swinging way too far in the opposite direction. Cloaking devices were meant to give Scout suits the ability to safely cross open terrain with no cover which they used to have issues with. People using them as GOTCHA bullshit was part of why the CPM was so insistent on not going with CCP's original concept, which would have had NO movement shimmer whatsoever. thats fine. but gal scout? thats not fine. youre either invisble to the eye, or invisible to scans... not both. gal scouts goes hunting more than scouting. nothing like looking all around you in a open field, and checking your radar... and still getting shotgun in the back
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 957	Posted - 2015.04.05 08:35:00 - [23] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: The Caldari Prime and the Templar events. As I understand it, there was a massive use of resources to make those events happen at the most critical time in the game's lifecycle. If those resources had instead been spent improving the game we probably would have had a much better release, which would have meant better reviews, more players sticking around. All of this would have lead to a larger developer team and would have snowballed into a radically different future for the game. I know some people remember those events fondly, but we paid an insanely high price for them. whats crazy is that i didnt get into either of those events. so for me, yea they were a huge waste
KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2833	Posted - 2015.04.05 08:35:00 - [24] - Quote PC lag. I had the joy of going 2-12 yeterday, and yes the 2 measily kills I had was nades, my gun simply didn't work... Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 959	Posted - 2015.04.05 08:47:00 - [25] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: What would you consider the worst thing to happen to dust why? For me, it's cloaking devices. Back in beta, battles were alot more honest. NO ONE could charge straight at an enemy squad or clear out a whole whole single handedly, yet today because cloaking devices (and other mechanics related to scouts) I see it often. Situation awareness used to be a thing, until CCP literally took it out of the game. There's no skill in being invisible. Cloaking devices never added anything of value to the game. It broke game balance so badly that it took months of buffs to other suit classes just to compete. If CCP would ever remove anything from Dust 514, I would want the cloaks to go away like black ops tanks did, and never come back. What? You can see the people.... if you're aware of your surroundings. Using the radar does not qualify as "situational awareness". i use both. if im "lucky" ill catch a scout sneaking up on me if im in the open on a hill. he usually would instantly stand still, at which point i can barely see him. it was harder when they had passive scan while cloaked that had the little arrow that told them which direction you were facing. cmon man, how many crutches did scouts need lol? imagine if they had the passives while cloaked and directional arrows allow with their superman jumps? what part of any of that sounds remotely balanced with anything else in the game? there no justifying anything the scouts had up til now. the least they could do is nerf your movemt and sprint speed while cloak is activated. i mean the cloak is for moving unseen right? why do they also need to sprint, and jump over buildings while cloaked? blah blah blah... im ranting. sorry
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS 196	Posted - 2015.04.05 08:47:00 - [26] - Quote I'd like to see all Lag maps removed. CCP Rattati, stop buffing things based on use! Rogue Relics is my home away from home. Thank you CCP for DUST 514!
Joseph Ridgeson warravens 3636	Posted - 2015.04.05 09:48:00 - [27] - Quote Rouge Wedding, though it really is cheating as it is not a single thing but rather a symptom of the game itself. For the symptoms: CCP knew they bit off more than they could chew, they were over-hyping things too much and not delivering what they were promising. FanFest 2014 is shorthand for just how CCP failed to deliver on what they had hoped to do. Even if you think the game is decent, which I do, you cannot say that the game has been a success based on what CCP originally wanted to do. With the delivery, it shows that CCP has been terrible with giving information to the player base; the months of silence after the announcement compounds this point further. For the single thing from FanFest: CCP got on stage and announced "but the only way to realize that vision (...) is to go on PC." Regardless of ANYTHING that CCP has done after this, more development or just walking back from that, doesn't matter. They officially announced "we cannot make DUST what it was supposed to be." In short, they effectively announced "we failed." Anyone that learns about DUST now can just see that CCP announced this 'failure' and have absolutely no reason to get into the game. Whether it is coincidence or causation, the weekly average of players dropped from ~2,900 to around 2,200 (24% drop) as it is now. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 417	Posted - 2015.04.05 09:52:00 - [28] - Quote Jump modules are by far the worst. This isn't quake. This is Dust. Let's stop trying to mash a bunch of FPSS together and find the identity you used to have. Or if you want to be quake, then just remove eWar altogether as it is not needed now CPMs should stop acting like they have power and remember their true position. Scapegoats for CCP
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5597	Posted - 2015.04.05 10:01:00 - [29] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: I know it sounds iffy but... Aim assist. Gun game went flying out the window. Lower TTK... And i wasn't here for it but leaving chromosome... People always talk how that was the best feel dust had... Chrome + Ratt + ppl before rouge wedding = perfect. Sooooo! I've come to the conclusion that the wedding was the worst... It made so many people leave dust... And now people are in fear that one day we'll just get abandoned or told "this is a beta" You really have no idea what you're talking about with aim assist, sorry. You're clearly just going off of what other people have said in a vain effort to establish your own opinion where you have none. Usually banned for being too awesome.
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 46	Posted - 2015.04.05 10:14:00 - [30] - Quote Never noticed any changes if switched AA "ON" , except swarmlaunchers. The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.



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