There is a reason matchmaking is being worked on first. Meta level lockout for me is a choice for me to say "low risk low reward", choose a low metalevel bracket (low sec if academy is high sec), and free for all is 0.0 with Planetary Conquest.

With current playerbase you'll need to wait 5-10m for a battle with these changes.

It will segregate your game, and kill your game.

Fast.


Your player base simply can't support multiple tiers like that. If you feel its necessary to limit proto suits to FW/PC only, go nuts. We're going to stomp on pub scrubs regardless, and it will accomplish nothing other than taking away freedom. "Protostomping" is a scapegoat for bad players being bad, and no matter what you do they will always be whiny victims getting stomped on. This won't please any of them because they will still be getting torn apart.

It will, however, **** off the veterans. So have fun with that flawed ideology.

Just a hint for all those meta lockout fanatics. You think that your apex suit would get away with it? Sorry to burst your bubble but when you take a actual look at your fitting what comes into your mind? Sure all modules are STD lvl but they are all AUR modules and do you know what STD AUR modules have as a meta lvl? They all have the same meta lvl like ADV ISK modules.

Because all modules are basically treated like if they where ADV modules/weapons/equipment all apex suits are in theory proto suits with full ADV stuff fitted in terms of meta lvl. If we would for example all agree on a max meta lvl of 25 then not even a single apex suit could be used in a pub match.

So hows meta lvl beeing calculated? Its quite simple all modules, equipment and weapons have a meta lvl. The summary of everything from your suit is the meta lvl which is most likely to be used when this is happening. For those who are too lazy to calculate every module etc. for your apex sut just go to the market and check the visual costumisations category. There you scroll down till you find your apex suit and then its listed next to PG/CPU.

For example the cal. logi apex suit has a meta lvl of 50. With 50 i could make a advanced suit fully fit with most proto stuff. The reason why that suit has such a high lvl is due to the fact that all slots on apex suits are fitted. And because that suit has 5 high, 4 low, 3 equipment, 1 light weapon and 1 grenade means all 14 slots are stuffed with AUR modules.

Im really curious how CCP wants to adress this cause otherwise ALOT of people will get VERY mad.On a side note the lowest meta lvl has the minmatarr commando "renegade" with 27.

Why do you even refer to them as new players, Titus?

Most of the time they aren't new. They are just bad. And bad players stay bad, they will never be happy.

I'd rather see the game broken down into is current 3 sections, just defined a little more:

Public Contracts
Average Meta Level Cap of 4

Faction Warfare
Average Meta Level Cap of 7

Planetary Conquest
No Average Meta Level Cap


This would be easily identified and easy to understand as well as keep player counts at a comfortable level so you were not waiting a long time for matchmaking.

New players/Less skilled players will be happy proto stomping in public contracts is gone and veterans will not be affected that much as they can easily play pubs with lower level gear and still compete well and they can use their better gear in faction matches and PC...

some of my std assault fits are 20+ meta lvl, those numbers are far too low

Which is why the lower lvls are for public an why these are being suggested to avoid the issue of players running full proto in pub matches. I get how much players running officer gear love the fact they can run over tons of stuff no problems whatsoever but it's also what is ruining the game and really taking the fun out of it.

A meta lvl 4 avg in all pub matches doesn't mean you can't dominate, players will still use their Scr, their RR's and nova + cloaks but you won't have officer fits where scouts can still take on a militia heavy with ease and no worry. I had the unfortunate luck of running my Apex into an officer scout and while I unloaded my whole clip into him he still had 50% armor left and died during the reload.

The ideal way for matchmaking should be having proto fit squads matched against others and then randoms with identical meta avgs and game experience. It's not an easy task and I applaud CCP Rat saying he's working on code to make matchmaking work but that's how Dust is right now: one side wants to stomp to victory, another side gets stomped and either quits or that's it and then there's the few like myself that have played in 3 weeks at least 5 close matches and even if I was on the lost of 4 of those 5 it's actually fun when players are trying to win, utilize smart tactics to win and we're all "going for broke".

IF these types of matches can happen more often, it might actually bring back a lot of players to Dust again because even with the way proto stomp goes, trying to equalize it on both ends does mean that stomping isn't a given at that stage. I can always sit back and shoot ppl with a sniper for kills and then go Apex just for ISK but it isn't fun really.

There is a reason matchmaking is being worked on first. Meta level lockout for me is a choice for me to say "low risk low reward", choose a low metalevel bracket (low sec if academy is high sec), and free for all is 0.0 with Planetary Conquest.

Meta level lockout as designed was a sum of all fittings approach, not "STD gear only" approach, also for a reason.

Guys, I said average...as in average per fit.

Each piece of gear had a meta level between 0 and 9, average that out, not add it all together...

so what do you think the max allowed total meta lvl of any suit should be in pubs? i say no more than 20 for mediums, heavies should get less because of the lower amount of total slots

Just a hint for all those meta lockout fanatics. You think that your apex suit would get away with it? Sorry to burst your bubble but when you take a actual look at your fitting what comes into your mind? Sure all modules are STD lvl but they are all AUR modules and do you know what STD AUR modules have as a meta lvl? They all have the same meta lvl like ADV ISK modules.

Because all modules are basically treated like if they where ADV modules/weapons/equipment all apex suits are in theory proto suits with full ADV stuff fitted in terms of meta lvl. If we would for example all agree on a max meta lvl of 25 then not even a single apex suit could be used in a pub match.

So hows meta lvl beeing calculated? Its quite simple all modules, equipment and weapons have a meta lvl. The summary of everything from your suit is the meta lvl which is most likely to be used when this is happening. For those who are too lazy to calculate every module etc. for your apex sut just go to the market and check the visual costumisations category. There you scroll down till you find your apex suit and then its listed next to PG/CPU.

For example the cal. logi apex suit has a meta lvl of 50. With 50 i could make a advanced suit fully fit with most proto stuff. The reason why that suit has such a high lvl is due to the fact that all slots on apex suits are fitted. And because that suit has 5 high, 4 low, 3 equipment, 1 light weapon and 1 grenade means all 14 slots are stuffed with AUR modules.

Im really curious how CCP wants to adress this cause otherwise ALOT of people will get VERY mad.On a side note the lowest meta lvl has the minmatarr commando "renegade" with 27.

Are you being serious or are you trolling me?

I am saying it should not be based on total meta level, I am saying it should be based on average meta level.

Example, if your equipment meta level looks like this:
Item 1 meta level 2
Item 2 meta level 2
Item 3 meta level 2
Item 4 meta level 8
Item 5 meta level 3
Item 5 meta level 1
Item 7 meta level 3
Item 8 meta level 3
Item 9 meta level 3
Item 10 meta level 4

Total meta for the fit is 31
Average meta for the fit is 3.1

Since the average meta is under 4, it can be equipt in pubs (and all other game modes).

you should have said that in the first place, i think total meta lvl is the way to go, easier to understand and probably to code for

(Item meta [x+x+etc]/total item quantity=x)

There. Fuxking done.

Average meta ftw.

you should have said that in the first place, i think total meta lvl is the way to go, easier to understand and probably to code for

Lord.

I don't care if you wear proto sent suits or a Speedo. If you're going 20/0, then that ought to be all that matters. Pretending (and that's all it is) that suits equal lethality is simply a chance to allow stomp in the back door while appearing to try to fix the problem with silly subdivision of an anemic player count.

Sig. Sig. Sig.

Even kdr matchmaking can't fix stupid, it seems.

Well a sniper who sits the whole day in the redline and gets on average 8 kills and 0 deaths doesnt actually make a good player. high KD does not equal high skill.

Kdr matchmaking fixes lopsided kdr tactics.

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