DUST Search - Meta lockout= unusable apex suits

Loyal Glasses wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

There is a reason matchmaking is being worked on first. Meta level lockout for me is a choice for me to say "low risk low reward", choose a low metalevel bracket (low sec if academy is high sec), and free for all is 0.0 with Planetary Conquest.

Meta level lockout as designed was a sum of all fittings approach, not "STD gear only" approach, also for a reason.

It will segregate your game, and kill your game.

Fast.

Your player base simply can't support multiple tiers like that. If you feel its necessary to limit proto suits to FW/PC only, go nuts. We're going to stomp on pub scrubs regardless, and it will accomplish nothing other than taking away freedom. "Protostomping" is a scapegoat for bad players being bad, and no matter what you do they will always be whiny victims getting stomped on. This won't please any of them because they will still be getting torn apart.

It will, however, **** off the veterans. So have fun with that flawed ideology.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Of course this is going to help the game. The majority of "Proto stompers" do just that stomp in proto suits its a crutch that no skill groups use on a daily basis and if they try doing that in an all std suit setting they are going to lose many suits due to a lower module count and lower weapon lvls.


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The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4221	Posted - 2015.03.29 23:23:00 - [1] - Quote Just a hint for all those meta lockout fanatics. You think that your apex suit would get away with it? Sorry to burst your bubble but when you take a actual look at your fitting what comes into your mind? Sure all modules are STD lvl but they are all AUR modules and do you know what STD AUR modules have as a meta lvl? They all have the same meta lvl like ADV ISK modules. Because all modules are basically treated like if they where ADV modules/weapons/equipment all apex suits are in theory proto suits with full ADV stuff fitted in terms of meta lvl. If we would for example all agree on a max meta lvl of 25 then not even a single apex suit could be used in a pub match. So hows meta lvl beeing calculated? Its quite simple all modules, equipment and weapons have a meta lvl. The summary of everything from your suit is the meta lvl which is most likely to be used when this is happening. For those who are too lazy to calculate every module etc. for your apex sut just go to the market and check the visual costumisations category. There you scroll down till you find your apex suit and then its listed next to PG/CPU. For example the cal. logi apex suit has a meta lvl of 50. With 50 i could make a advanced suit fully fit with most proto stuff. The reason why that suit has such a high lvl is due to the fact that all slots on apex suits are fitted. And because that suit has 5 high, 4 low, 3 equipment, 1 light weapon and 1 grenade means all 14 slots are stuffed with AUR modules. Im really curious how CCP wants to adress this cause otherwise ALOT of people will get VERY mad.On a side note the lowest meta lvl has the minmatarr commando "renegade" with 27. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4221	Posted - 2015.03.29 23:28:00 - [2] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: You will be able to use them in pubs, just in the higher tiers. Tiers? Like what? FW? Yeah good luck with that. Tell that the apex buyers they will burn you like a witch. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4221	Posted - 2015.03.29 23:44:00 - [3] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: LUGMOS wrote: You will be able to use them in pubs, just in the higher tiers. Tiers? Like what? FW? Yeah good luck with that. Tell that the apex buyers they will burn you like a witch. Oh, so you want to use a suit that is clearly better than standard and is completely free in a standard meta environment? Tell that to people who want balanced matches and they'll burn you like a witch. i dont have any apex suits. Just find this little fact hillarious. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4232	Posted - 2015.03.31 02:08:00 - [4] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Even kdr matchmaking can't fix stupid, it seems. Well a sniper who sits the whole day in the redline and gets on average 8 kills and 0 deaths doesnt actually make a good player. high KD does not equal high skill. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
The dark cloud Negative-Feedback. 4243	Posted - 2015.03.31 23:35:00 - [5] - Quote Loyal Glasses wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There is a reason matchmaking is being worked on first. Meta level lockout for me is a choice for me to say "low risk low reward", choose a low metalevel bracket (low sec if academy is high sec), and free for all is 0.0 with Planetary Conquest. Meta level lockout as designed was a sum of all fittings approach, not "STD gear only" approach, also for a reason. It will segregate your game, and kill your game. Fast. Your player base simply can't support multiple tiers like that. If you feel its necessary to limit proto suits to FW/PC only, go nuts. We're going to stomp on pub scrubs regardless, and it will accomplish nothing other than taking away freedom. "Protostomping" is a scapegoat for bad players being bad, and no matter what you do they will always be whiny victims getting stomped on. This won't please any of them because they will still be getting torn apart. It will, however, **** off the veterans. So have fun with that flawed ideology. HA HA HA HA HA HA! Of course this is going to help the game. The majority of "Proto stompers" do just that stomp in proto suits its a crutch that no skill groups use on a daily basis and if they try doing that in an all std suit setting they are going to lose many suits due to a lower module count and lower weapon lvls. Not really a crutch cause there are way too many people with crap fits or no modules at all on their suits. Ya know the guys who have barely 400HP on their assault suits. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.