A Key BPO would realistically cost much more than 100,000 Aurum. I would say a price-tag on something like that would run closer to 400,000 Aurum.

I would strongly consider buying a Key BPO. I am currently sitting on 1,640 Encrypted Strongboxes.

400k would be way too much. It needs to be reasonable and not a luxury item. After all that would be around 200Gé¼ and stronboxes will still be random rewards.

Such an item would essentially destroy the player trading and market they are trying to build. It would trivialize the rarity of BPOs and put downwards pressure on all the other BPC, which would mean everyone would be exchanging them for rock bottom prices, which would trivialize the entire idea of a player driven market in the first place.

There is no reasonable price. Forfeiting what could be a cornerstone of the game in the name of appeasing a gambler who doesnt want to stake anything would cost us all alot more than 800aur.

Actually you know what, If CCP will commit to some more patches and hot fixes, if we get player trading and a few other things they have been talking about - then yes I would be willing to spend more money on this game.

As for a key BPO - I'm not sure they would be viable for CCP however I do think they need to give us better deals on key bundles.

Perhaps 25 keys for 10k aurum. 100 keys for 35k aurum. Something like that would get me to possibly get a stack.

Rich get more richer...

Constant oficer stuff gain and reseling at market... not good... but who cares if CCP need money

Well, the op has a point. I will never be opening my 600+ boxes. Neither will 99.9% of ppl. What do you propose to do with our ever growing stock pile of boxes? Even if the price of keys was cut down to 200aur which is 1/4 the current price. I would never buy 120,000 aur of keys plus the infinite number of keys in the future. A BPO i would consider, but even then i dunno, 100k aur for a bunch of random crap I never use. Probably not. 100% of the boxes I open I already don't use. The officer gear is always a piece of gear I don't want or I'm not skilled for, the tier1 bpo's are worthless when you have apex suits.

What diffrence does it make, I'm at 400mil + and rising, most ppl's money will never go down.
Plus I easily have 1bil + worth of assets since I've been collecting since the beginning of time and have never sold.
At this point Isk is just a number, noone will run out. So there is no point in balancing based on isk at this point. Unless ofcourse you're trying to balance it so the noobs, will stay poor and can't challenge the proto vets. Cause you sure as hell ain't trying to balance the vets, which already run proto 100% of the time.

doubt it that it would destroy player trading cause the trading that Ratatti has in mind is you send the item and then receive ISK. Not like on eve where you have a marketplace, put your item on the table with a pricetag and wait till somebody comes by and purchases it.

PC district farming is real and it still generates ALOT of ISK. And that ISK will be used to monopolise playertrading. If you dont see that then you need a reality check. Another thing is there is allready a steady influx of officer weapons and suits cause the warbarge produces them every day.

The only thing that will be somewhat worth might be the specialised gear from FW. Ya know the 5 sec uplinks. proto weapons with ADV fitting costs etc. Thats where ISK will be made cause those weapon variants are avaible on the market and grant a excessive fitting advantage.

And lol BPO's you can purchase allmost any BPO in the game stright from the marketplace allready. You really think you will get 100 million ISK+ for a apex suit? You might get somewhere around 50 mil and thats it cause allmost every guy on this game has one of them allready.

This affects retail operations, not the laws of supply and demand. Just because the product is harder to get to market reliably doesnt mean its value is not affected by supply and demand.



<-------- Ive done my math and research. PC corps have an advantage due to the weight of their membership and the volume of their existing resources. But a monopoly? Not so sure about that. Due to the close collaboration in Molden Heath, and the fact plenty of corps have people from other corps in their ranks, theres going to be alot of inter-Alliance, inter- corp and inter-Molden Heath exchanging. This means alot of the best resources will be used exclusively among other PC corps.


Not to mention with PC changes, such as district resources and raiding, not so sure selling Amarrian uplinks or Gallente proto rifles will be profitable enough to take teams off raiding/raid patrol to go farm FW. Cause in order for it to be profitable at its maximum, youll need people with high standing or boosters. You could use your entry level membership, but that might also cause more losses than wins (depending on faction), which could hamper profitability.

So overall, i dont expect PC corps to be a critical supplier or market. I expect them to be a very important market and supplier that people will flock to buy and sell to, but because of what i listed above, they will fall short unless they convert from a PC corp to a merchant corp. The only way you could have the best of both worlds is if the PC corp had a "wholly owned subsidiary" operating under a different brand as a merchant corp. But even then, its fate could be tied to the political fate of its parent corp.




Ive already made arrangements to sell a FW BPO to someone once the option is available. i wont discuss the exact price, cause the other person hasnt consented to me publicly posting the details of our deal, but its in the ballpark of the second figure. I guarantee you no one who ive talked to (potential buyers, other traders) has said anything remotely close to 100mil for a APEX BPO.

No offense, but the problem is that you feel you are entitled to everything thats in these boxes because they are in your inventory.

Lets say we were to flip things. Lets say Nexon gave out keys left and right, but boxes you had to purchased or earned and were as rare as the keys. Would you still be proposing a "Box BPO" for your 600 or so keys? The boxes you have in your inventory are actually empty. When you open one, its like using a ticket to pick from the prize pool. Each box does not have its own programmed inventory. Like "wheel of fortune", when you open it, it spins the wheel and whatever the needle lands on comes out of the box.

Also, i feel that youve completely overlooked what I said about player market. if you could just open them all, you would get officer, proto, Quafe, and BPO items. Sure, at first they will have value. But hundreds of people doing that, after a little while, none of these items will have any value anymore because they will be obtained at essentially no cost.

Right now, if i sign in, do the daily job, get a key, and get 3x 'Quafe' Madrugar, those tanks have a value because of their rarity and the effort that went into them. But if you could just pay a fee and open 600 boxes all at once, you might get something like 90 'Quafe' Madrugars, which could then be dumped onto the market at 50% less priced than those who were earned the normal way.

Players who cant afford 200,000AUR would be driven from participating in whats left of the player market. it would be a disaster.


As for your stockpile of boxes, you either sit on them or sell them to someone. i know that red dot can be unsightly, but thats the only impact having 600 boxes in your inventory has on you. Maybe even a sellback option?

And lol BPO's you can purchase allmost any BPO in the game stright from the marketplace allready. You really think you will get 100 million ISK+ for a apex suit? You might get somewhere around 50 mil and thats it cause allmost every guy on this game has one of them allready.

I hope those FW bpo are tradeable on player market when it launches, if ever.. I want a couple of the federation ones but nooooooooooooooo can't get a fkn FW match but once an hour if i'm lucky..and If I lose, I get a whopping 200 LP or some **** :\

I got lots of isk though, plenty of it.. so if I don't start rolling in LP by then i'll certainly be a buyer of them... not at 100 mil , but i'd make a pretty solid offer.

it was said, by a CPM I think, that initially BPOs wont be tradeable so that the system can be tested, and once bugs/exploits are worked out and the system is safe, BPOs, boosters, and such will be allowed.

As far as your BPO wishes, if you are shopping Gal or Min, its a buyers market. These 2 factions win alot, so their players have banked alot of LP and standing. This means availability for it should be rather high. Unlike Amarr/Caldari BPOs, which would be a sellers market item.

That means youd have more negotiating power shopping for Gal BPOs, and youd probably get a great deal on one if its a less desired one, like the Heavy.

lol @ the quafe tank. You will barely get anything for that well maybe you get a bit more then a STD tank but thats about it. And what ya gonna do if CCP decides next week to put all quafe weapons on the market like they did with the quafe LAV BPO's? And return in investment? Sounds like you spend alot of money on keys to get your hands onto that stuff.

Main issue still remains:
-single usage keys are too expensive
-its random what you get out of the box

I would maybe be willing to buy keys if they where around 100 AUR a pop but 800? HELL NO.
Maybe a other solution like a different kind of key. Call it "bruteforce key" and it has a 30-50% chance to open the strongbox and it costs somewhere around 50k ISK. If it fails you loose the key and the strongbox with it.

Or maybe a new subsystem for the warbarge that produces 1 key per day and more the higher the lvl. With a max of about 5 keys a day.

My point still stands. I will never support a decryption key BPO. After all, from a business perspective, it will reduce CCP's steady income that they get from selling single-use keys. That's like selling a Booster BPO. It will make them money in the short term, but the long-term returns will diminish if more and more players have them.

PS: I'm signing right here to say that I will never purchase a Decryption Key BPO if the idea is ever considered by CCP.

lol @ the quafe tank. You will barely get anything for that well maybe you get a bit more then a STD tank but thats about it. And what ya gonna do if CCP decides next week to put all quafe weapons on the market like they did with the quafe LAV BPO's? And return in investment? Sounds like you spend alot of money on keys to get your hands onto that stuff.

Main issue still remains:
-single usage keys are too expensive
-its random what you get out of the box

I would maybe be willing to buy keys if they where around 100 AUR a pop but 800? HELL NO.
Maybe a other solution like a different kind of key. Call it "bruteforce key" and it has a 30-50% chance to open the strongbox and it costs somewhere around 50k ISK. If it fails you loose the key and the strongbox with it.

Or maybe a new subsystem for the warbarge that produces 1 key per day and more the higher the lvl. With a max of about 5 keys a day.

The same idea was applied when CCP removed every kind of BPO from the market cause they hoped that regular AUR suits/weapons would give them a better income. And now take a look around what happend. We have all militia BPO's, apex suits, LAV BPO's, FW APEX BPO'S etc. The game is bloated with them and i for example have every militia BPO and some suits from closed beta when they where very cheap (not stating the pricetag for it).

How about instead we make the next warbarge node a key generator? Claim keys with components just like the lab.

Just as a random thought how much would you pay for Decrypted Key BPO? I know there are very active people with thousands of strongboxes. So what would be a adquate pricetag to be aible to open all of your current strongboxes and all strongboxes you would receive in the future? In my opinion it would be worth ~100k AUR cause you allways have a chance to get one of the racial dropsuits, quafe weapon BPO's, quafe LAV BPO's and ofcourse officer weapons.

Just think about it. It would make it appealing for those who previously didnt bought any keys and will not buy any keys in the future. In my opinion this thing needs to happend. It would turn the feeling of "oh damnit not another strongbox..." into
"yes ive got another strongbox to open!".

I for myself have over ~550 strongboxes sitting in my assets and im not willing to put money into the single usage keys. Im sure there are tons of people who think the same and it would make a key BPO very appealing. Plus beeing aible to open constantly strongboxes would mean that the keys that we earn trough missions could be saved up for trading later on.

Ive mande a quick estimated cost check how much AUR it would cost me to open 550 boxes:

- 10 key bundle set= 6.000 AUR
- i got 550 boxes
- 550:10= 55 key bundles
- 55X6000= 330.000 AUR

Im not willing to pay 330k AUR to open all my boxes but i would be willing to pay 100k for a key BPO.
Think about it CCP, charge me one time or charge me never for it. Its your choice.