DUST Search - Decrypted Key BPO

Drogan Reeth wrote:

Lavallois Nash wrote:

Such an item would essentially destroy the player trading and market they are trying to build. It would trivialize the rarity of BPOs and put downwards pressure on all the other BPC, which would mean everyone would be exchanging them for rock bottom prices, which would trivialize the entire idea of a player driven market in the first place.

There is no reasonable price. Forfeiting what could be a cornerstone of the game in the name of appeasing a gambler who doesnt want to stake anything would cost us all alot more than 800aur.

Well, the op has a point. I will never be opening my 600+ boxes. Neither will 99.9% of ppl. What do you propose to do with our ever growing stock pile of boxes? Even if the price of keys was cut down to 200aur which is 1/4 the current price. I would never buy 120,000 aur of keys plus the infinite number of keys in the future. A BPO i would consider, but even then i dunno, 100k aur for a bunch of random crap I never use. Probably not. 100% of the boxes I open I already don't use. The officer gear is always a piece of gear I don't want or I'm not skilled for, the tier1 bpo's are worthless when you have apex suits.


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Lavallois Nash Federal Transfers and Trades 544	Posted - 2015.03.29 15:16:00 - [1] - Quote Such an item would essentially destroy the player trading and market they are trying to build. It would trivialize the rarity of BPOs and put downwards pressure on all the other BPC, which would mean everyone would be exchanging them for rock bottom prices, which would trivialize the entire idea of a player driven market in the first place. There is no reasonable price. Forfeiting what could be a cornerstone of the game in the name of appeasing a gambler who doesnt want to stake anything would cost us all alot more than 800aur.
Lavallois Nash Federal Transfers and Trades 545	Posted - 2015.03.29 15:47:00 - [2] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: Lavallois Nash wrote: Such an item would essentially destroy the player trading and market they are trying to build. It would trivialize the rarity of BPOs and put downwards pressure on all the other BPC, which would mean everyone would be exchanging them for rock bottom prices, which would trivialize the entire idea of a player driven market in the first place. There is no reasonable price. Forfeiting what could be a cornerstone of the game in the name of appeasing a gambler who doesnt want to stake anything would cost us all alot more than 800aur. Well, the op has a point. I will never be opening my 600+ boxes. Neither will 99.9% of ppl. What do you propose to do with our ever growing stock pile of boxes? Even if the price of keys was cut down to 200aur which is 1/4 the current price. I would never buy 120,000 aur of keys plus the infinite number of keys in the future. A BPO i would consider, but even then i dunno, 100k aur for a bunch of random crap I never use. Probably not. 100% of the boxes I open I already don't use. The officer gear is always a piece of gear I don't want or I'm not skilled for, the tier1 bpo's are worthless when you have apex suits. No offense, but the problem is that you feel you are entitled to everything thats in these boxes because they are in your inventory. Lets say we were to flip things. Lets say Nexon gave out keys left and right, but boxes you had to purchased or earned and were as rare as the keys. Would you still be proposing a "Box BPO" for your 600 or so keys? The boxes you have in your inventory are actually empty. When you open one, its like using a ticket to pick from the prize pool. Each box does not have its own programmed inventory. Like "wheel of fortune", when you open it, it spins the wheel and whatever the needle lands on comes out of the box. Also, i feel that youve completely overlooked what I said about player market. if you could just open them all, you would get officer, proto, Quafe, and BPO items. Sure, at first they will have value. But hundreds of people doing that, after a little while, none of these items will have any value anymore because they will be obtained at essentially no cost. Right now, if i sign in, do the daily job, get a key, and get 3x 'Quafe' Madrugar, those tanks have a value because of their rarity and the effort that went into them. But if you could just pay a fee and open 600 boxes all at once, you might get something like 90 'Quafe' Madrugars, which could then be dumped onto the market at 50% less priced than those who were earned the normal way. Players who cant afford 200,000ISK would be driven from participating in whats left of the player market. it would be a disaster. As for your stockpile of boxes, you either sit on them or sell them to someone. i know that red dot can be unsightly, but thats the only impact having 600 boxes in your inventory has on you. Maybe even a sellback option?
Lavallois Nash Federal Transfers and Trades 546	Posted - 2015.03.29 16:59:00 - [3] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: doubt it that it would destroy player trading cause the trading that Ratatti has in mind is you send the item and then receive ISK. Not like on eve where you have a marketplace, put your item on the table with a pricetag and wait till somebody comes by and purchases it. This affects retail operations, not the laws of supply and demand. Just because the product is harder to get to market reliably doesnt mean its value is not affected by supply and demand. The Dark Cloud wrote: PC district farming is real and it still generates ALOT of ISK. And that ISK will be used to monopolise playertrading. If you dont see that then you need a reality check. Another thing is there is allready a steady influx of officer weapons and suits cause the warbarge produces them every day. The only thing that will be somewhat worth might be the specialised gear from FW. Ya know the 5 sec uplinks. proto weapons with ADV fitting costs etc. Thats where ISK will be made cause those weapon variants are avaible on the market and grant a excessive fitting advantage. <-------- Ive done my math and research. PC corps have an advantage due to the weight of their membership and the volume of their existing resources. But a monopoly? Not so sure about that. Due to the close collaboration in Molden Heath, and the fact plenty of corps have people from other corps in their ranks, theres going to be alot of inter-Alliance, inter- corp and inter-Molden Heath exchanging. This means alot of the best resources will be used exclusively among other PC corps. Not to mention with PC changes, such as district resources and raiding, not so sure selling Amarrian uplinks or Gallente proto rifles will be profitable enough to take teams off raiding/raid patrol to go farm FW. Cause in order for it to be profitable at its maximum, youll need people with high standing or boosters. You could use your entry level membership, but that might also cause more losses than wins (depending on faction), which could hamper profitability. So overall, i dont expect PC corps to be a critical supplier or market. I expect them to be a very important market and supplier that people will flock to buy and sell to, but because of what i listed above, they will fall short unless they convert from a PC corp to a merchant corp. The only way you could have the best of both worlds is if the PC corp had a "wholly owned subsidiary" operating under a different brand as a merchant corp. But even then, its fate could be tied to the political fate of its parent corp. The Dark Cloud wrote: And lol BPO's you can purchase allmost any BPO in the game stright from the marketplace allready. You really think you will get 100 million ISK+ for a apex suit? You might get somewhere around 50 mil and thats it cause allmost every guy on this game has one of them allready. Ive already made arrangements to sell a FW BPO to someone once the option is available. i wont discuss the exact price, cause the other person hasnt consented to me publicly posting the details of our deal, but its in the ballpark of the second figure. I guarantee you no one who ive talked to (potential buyers, other traders) has said anything remotely close to 100mil for a APEX BPO.
Lavallois Nash Federal Transfers and Trades 547	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:56:00 - [4] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: I hope those FW bpo are tradeable on player market when it launches, if ever.. I want a couple of the federation ones but nooooooooooooooo can't get a fkn FW match but once an hour if i'm lucky..and If I lose, I get a whopping 200 LP or some **** :\ I got lots of isk though, plenty of it.. so if I don't start rolling in LP by then i'll certainly be a buyer of them... not at 100 mil , but i'd make a pretty solid offer. it was said, by a CPM I think, that initially BPOs wont be tradeable so that the system can be tested, and once bugs/exploits are worked out and the system is safe, BPOs, boosters, and such will be allowed. As far as your BPO wishes, if you are shopping Gal or Min, its a buyers market. These 2 factions win alot, so their players have banked alot of LP and standing. This means availability for it should be rather high. Unlike Amarr/Caldari BPOs, which would be a sellers market item. That means youd have more negotiating power shopping for Gal BPOs, and youd probably get a great deal on one if its a less desired one, like the Heavy.
Lavallois Nash Federal Transfers and Trades 549	Posted - 2015.03.29 19:02:00 - [5] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: lol @ the quafe tank. You will barely get anything for that well maybe you get a bit more then a STD tank but thats about it. And what ya gonna do if CCP decides next week to put all quafe weapons on the market like they did with the quafe LAV BPO's? And return in investment? Sounds like you spend alot of money on keys to get your hands onto that stuff. I just used it as a one off example. Since BPOs are not the central focus of my business, i used a BPC with some appeal as an example. The point being that if someone can flood the market with them, the value plummets. If someone had near unlimited access to free ones from the boxes, they could wholesale them at below the cost of a militia tank just to generate ISK from volume. If you say I can get about 100K for them each, under a BPO key system, their value would only be about 50,000. Someone like that could even sell them at a theoretic "loss" for awhile to undercut everyone else, and then put the price up a little once the competitors have changed lines of business. The lowest sellback price is 15,000ISK. So if the market was cornered and flooded with absolute minimum pricing at 15,000ISK each, that would mean the 3 'Quafe' tanks generate 45,000ISK instead of 300,000ISK. Thats 255,000ISK that just evaporates in lost value. And its more than just 255,000ISK. That 250K is the profit that drives the ingame economy. Times it by hundreds of sales by hundreds of players, and its billions that will never change hands. The Dark Cloud wrote: Main issue still remains: -single usage keys are too expensive -its random what you get out of the box I would maybe be willing to buy keys if they where around 100 AUR a pop but 800? HELL NO. Maybe a other solution like a different kind of key. Call it "bruteforce key" and it has a 30-50% chance to open the strongbox and it costs somewhere around 50k ISK. If it fails you loose the key and the strongbox with it. Or maybe a new subsystem for the warbarge that produces 1 key per day and more the higher the lvl. With a max of about 5 keys a day. Ill agree with you that perhaps there should be more ways, like a warbage subsystem, but again, the value of the system has to be protected. If its to be 100AUR or 50,000ISK for a 50/50 chance, they will go back to putting things like skillbooks and STD items. Youll get more chances, and youll end up 'Whisper' repair tools and less officer weapons.