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The Dark Cloud
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Posted - 2015.03.29 18:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:lol @ the quafe tank. You will barely get anything for that well maybe you get a bit more then a STD tank but thats about it. And what ya gonna do if CCP decides next week to put all quafe weapons on the market like they did with the quafe LAV BPO's? And return in investment? Sounds like you spend alot of money on keys to get your hands onto that stuff.
Main issue still remains:
-single usage keys are too expensive
-its random what you get out of the box
I would maybe be willing to buy keys if they where around 100 AUR a pop but 800? HELL NO.
Maybe a other solution like a different kind of key. Call it "bruteforce key" and it has a 30-50% chance to open the strongbox and it costs somewhere around 50k ISK. If it fails you loose the key and the strongbox with it.
Or maybe a new subsystem for the warbarge that produces 1 key per day and more the higher the lvl. With a max of about 5 keys a day. My point still stands. I will never support a decryption key BPO. After all, from a business perspective, it will reduce CCP's steady income that they get from selling single-use keys. That's like selling a Booster BPO. It will make them money in the short term, but the long-term returns will diminish if more and more players have them. PS: I'm signing right here to say that I will never purchase a Decryption Key BPO if the idea is ever considered by CCP.
The same idea was applied when CCP removed every kind of BPO from the market cause they hoped that regular AUR suits/weapons would give them a better income. And now take a look around what happend. We have all militia BPO's, apex suits, LAV BPO's, FW APEX BPO'S etc. The game is bloated with them and i for example have every militia BPO and some suits from closed beta when they where very cheap (not stating the pricetag for it).
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Lavallois Nash
Federal Transfers and Trades
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Posted - 2015.03.29 19:02:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:lol @ the quafe tank. You will barely get anything for that well maybe you get a bit more then a STD tank but thats about it. And what ya gonna do if CCP decides next week to put all quafe weapons on the market like they did with the quafe LAV BPO's? And return in investment? Sounds like you spend alot of money on keys to get your hands onto that stuff.
I just used it as a one off example. Since BPOs are not the central focus of my business, i used a BPC with some appeal as an example. The point being that if someone can flood the market with them, the value plummets. If someone had near unlimited access to free ones from the boxes, they could wholesale them at below the cost of a militia tank just to generate ISK from volume.
If you say I can get about 100K for them each, under a BPO key system, their value would only be about 50,000. Someone like that could even sell them at a theoretic "loss" for awhile to undercut everyone else, and then put the price up a little once the competitors have changed lines of business. The lowest sellback price is 15,000ISK. So if the market was cornered and flooded with absolute minimum pricing at 15,000ISK each, that would mean the 3 'Quafe' tanks generate 45,000ISK instead of 300,000ISK.
Thats 255,000ISK that just evaporates in lost value. And its more than just 255,000ISK. That 250K is the profit that drives the ingame economy. Times it by hundreds of sales by hundreds of players, and its billions that will never change hands.
The Dark Cloud wrote:Main issue still remains:
-single usage keys are too expensive
-its random what you get out of the box
I would maybe be willing to buy keys if they where around 100 AUR a pop but 800? HELL NO.
Maybe a other solution like a different kind of key. Call it "bruteforce key" and it has a 30-50% chance to open the strongbox and it costs somewhere around 50k ISK. If it fails you loose the key and the strongbox with it.
Or maybe a new subsystem for the warbarge that produces 1 key per day and more the higher the lvl. With a max of about 5 keys a day.
Ill agree with you that perhaps there should be more ways, like a warbage subsystem, but again, the value of the system has to be protected. If its to be 100AUR or 50,000ISK for a 50/50 chance, they will go back to putting things like skillbooks and STD items. Youll get more chances, and youll end up 'Whisper' repair tools and less officer weapons. |
Maken Tosch
Dust University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.03.29 20:11:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:lol @ the quafe tank. You will barely get anything for that well maybe you get a bit more then a STD tank but thats about it. And what ya gonna do if CCP decides next week to put all quafe weapons on the market like they did with the quafe LAV BPO's? And return in investment? Sounds like you spend alot of money on keys to get your hands onto that stuff.
Main issue still remains:
-single usage keys are too expensive
-its random what you get out of the box
I would maybe be willing to buy keys if they where around 100 AUR a pop but 800? HELL NO.
Maybe a other solution like a different kind of key. Call it "bruteforce key" and it has a 30-50% chance to open the strongbox and it costs somewhere around 50k ISK. If it fails you loose the key and the strongbox with it.
Or maybe a new subsystem for the warbarge that produces 1 key per day and more the higher the lvl. With a max of about 5 keys a day. My point still stands. I will never support a decryption key BPO. After all, from a business perspective, it will reduce CCP's steady income that they get from selling single-use keys. That's like selling a Booster BPO. It will make them money in the short term, but the long-term returns will diminish if more and more players have them. PS: I'm signing right here to say that I will never purchase a Decryption Key BPO if the idea is ever considered by CCP. The same idea was applied when CCP removed every kind of BPO from the market cause they hoped that regular AUR suits/weapons would give them a better income. And now take a look around what happend. We have all militia BPO's, apex suits, LAV BPO's, FW APEX BPO'S etc. The game is bloated with them and i for example have every militia BPO and some suits from closed beta when they where very cheap (not stating the pricetag for it).
Let's be honest here. The OLD dev team that worked on Dust before Rattati came along didn't know what they were doing. CCP wanted to remove BPOs because they thought they were bad for the supposed economic connection between Dust and Eve Online. But that's not happening anymore. So you're right that CCP did want to remove them but then changed their minds. But again, that was under a different leadership and they didn't know what they were doing. Had they known what they were doing and implemented many of the things they originally promised by now, then you and me wouldn't be having this conversation.
Of course BPOs are now back but under new leadership and this time the dev team knows what their doing. Honestly, it's not the concept of the BPOs that is being debated here right now. What is being debated right now is the idea of Decryption Key BPO in particular.
The 'Quafe' BPOs I mentioned before are a different style and you may be right on what their value really is right now, but you missed the point I brought up about the Archduke's Modified Sentinel Mk.0 which is a super rare item that allows me to carry a light weapon, sidearm, and heavy weapon at the same time. Now slap on a Black Eagle Assault Rifle on the sidearm slot and a real light weapon plus a forge or HMG along with it and you got yourself a suit that practically amounts to a one-man firing squad. That suit was hard to get from the boxes and I only have 2 in stock right now. I intend to sell that suit to someone who really knows how to put it good use and I would like to sell it for a very high price. I don't want its value to drop because someone came up with the idea a Decryption Key BPO.
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.29 20:23:00 -
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A key BPO at some point means CCP loses money. suit and weapon BPOs do not lose CCP money since those BPOs are readily bought with ISK. This means that while we will continue to get weapon and suit BPOS (fleshed out templar BPOS pwease Rattati?) we will never see a key BPO.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.03.29 20:56:00 -
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How about instead we make the next warbarge node a key generator? Claim keys with components just like the lab.
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Maken Tosch
Dust University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.03.29 21:17:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:How about instead we make the next warbarge node a key generator? Claim keys with components just like the lab.
I might be ok with this as long as it's kept under control.
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Posted - 2015.03.29 21:21:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:Just as a random thought how much would you pay for Decrypted Key BPO? I know there are very active people with thousands of strongboxes. So what would be a adquate pricetag to be aible to open all of your current strongboxes and all strongboxes you would receive in the future? In my opinion it would be worth ~100k AUR cause you allways have a chance to get one of the racial dropsuits, quafe weapon BPO's, quafe LAV BPO's and ofcourse officer weapons.
Just think about it. It would make it appealing for those who previously didnt bought any keys and will not buy any keys in the future. In my opinion this thing needs to happend. It would turn the feeling of "oh damnit not another strongbox..." into
"yes ive got another strongbox to open!".
I for myself have over ~550 strongboxes sitting in my assets and im not willing to put money into the single usage keys. Im sure there are tons of people who think the same and it would make a key BPO very appealing. Plus beeing aible to open constantly strongboxes would mean that the keys that we earn trough missions could be saved up for trading later on.
Ive mande a quick estimated cost check how much AUR it would cost me to open 550 boxes:
- 10 key bundle set= 6.000 AUR
- i got 550 boxes
- 550:10= 55 key bundles
- 55X6000= 330.000 AUR
Im not willing to pay 330k AUR to open all my boxes but i would be willing to pay 100k for a key BPO.
Think about it CCP, charge me one time or charge me never for it. Its your choice.
Just give CCP your money.
Better still, give me your money and I'll give you a bunch of random stuff you don't want. Might even throw a bpo quafe laser in just to make you feel better about your bad life choices. |
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