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Taskanoss What The Pho 51	Posted - 2015.03.26 16:21:00 - [1] - Quote I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Derpa hard and derpa fast.
Summa Militum Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 346	Posted - 2015.03.26 16:24:00 - [2] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? You do not nerf it. In my experience nerfing always screws people over; at least it has always screwed me over.
Taskanoss What The Pho 51	Posted - 2015.03.26 16:48:00 - [3] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? You do not nerf it. In my experience nerfing always screws people over; at least it has always screwed me over. Buff every other race suit then??? Derpa hard and derpa fast.
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. 463	Posted - 2015.03.26 16:51:00 - [4] - Quote is the min assault really that strong now...I remember when it used to be the worst assault... Twitch & YouTube
DDx77 The Exemplars 175	Posted - 2015.03.26 16:51:00 - [5] - Quote My issue with the min assault is it's ability to tank and have the speed Increased speed is the Minmatar thing, so I wouldn't touch that even though a .5 speed reduction may not be that noticible The 4/4 layout is very cool and should stay as well I would suggest reducing initial armor before shields (less armor - less mass = more speed) I would also suggest reducing the CPU capacity of the suit (maybe 20% per tier- not sure what a fair amount would be before seriously gimping the suit) OR OR OR OR OR There is nothing wrong with the suit and it's a matter of the other assault suits receiving specific buffs that set them further apart and make them more viable (For example: a much improved cal assault bonus and buff to shield recharge and depleted delay reduction ) May the Dark shine your way
Taskanoss What The Pho 51	Posted - 2015.03.26 16:58:00 - [6] - Quote DDx77 wrote: My issue with the min assault is it's ability to tank and have the speed Increased speed is the Minmatar thing, so I wouldn't touch that even though a .5 speed reduction may not be that noticible The 4/4 layout is very cool and should stay as well I would suggest reducing initial armor before shields (less armor - less mass = more speed) I would also suggest reducing the CPU capacity of the suit (maybe 20% per tier- not sure what a fair amount would be before seriously gimping the suit) OR OR OR OR OR There is nothing wrong with the suit and it's a matter of the other assault suits receiving specific buffs that set them further apart and make them more viable (For example: a much improved cal assault bonus and buff to shield recharge and depleted delay reduction ) I tried turning the Cal Assault into a proxy Min Assault with shield stacking and kinkats and my PG just laughed at me. A reduction in PG would seem more viable. Derpa hard and derpa fast.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5503	Posted - 2015.03.26 17:03:00 - [7] - Quote Min Assault is fine tbh. It's the only assault suit that is really empowered to do what it was designed to do with a level of magnificence. Gal and Amarr play the same way. Amarr is supposed to be brick tank but nobody runs brick tank plates anymore due to strafe penalty so that playstyle is busted unless you have a logi cheerleading squad. It's all minor buffer and repair, with amarr being slower overall. Ultimately comes down to which weapon bonus suits your playstyle better. Cal is just... I don't even know. That suit isn't broken exactly, but it sure as hell isn't standing out as something to fear. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10802	Posted - 2015.03.26 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote If you reduce overall Min Assault HP, buff the shield delay to compensate. If you want it to be a low HP fast assault, make it have better regen than the cal assault. Don't slow it down. Speed is actually what defines the Min Assault. Its ability to quickly maneuver the battlefield is half the reason why I love the suit (And all other minmatar suits) Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Yeeeuuuupppp 953	Posted - 2015.03.26 17:04:00 - [9] - Quote Why does it need a nerf? *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 189	Posted - 2015.03.26 17:08:00 - [10] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? You do not nerf it. In my experience nerfing always screws people over; at least it has always screwed me over. Buff every other race suit then??? except aMar. .. exposedsquad

KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2823	Posted - 2015.03.26 17:23:00 - [11] - Quote It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a tweak, there is a huge difference. Lets take movement speed for starters. Amm = 4,8 Cal & Gal = 5 Min = 5,3 This should be 5.2 to put it in line with the general progression. Next I would reduce the stamina regen from 50 ish to 30 ish. I would start with the 2 changes mentioned above, if this would be "not enough", then a slight HP nerf is in order, maye around 30... As it is now, the Ammar and Minmatar suits are as good as equal in terms of "general viability". This has a lot to do with their bonuses and how good the various guns perform. Ideally, I would like to cange the racial bonuses of the Cal and maybe even the Gal assault and testing the new meta before even thouching the Min suit. There are many good suggestions: For Cal: reduction to ADS kick, reduction of charge up time, increased clip size like the Min has of today. For Gal: Reload bonus, (Yeah its not a joke, a reload bonus would go well with a speed and rep tanked Gal assault designed to shred multiple opponents in CQC), A range buff, though that should be kept at 2% max 3% per level, there have been plenty of good suggestions in various threads... Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
Taskanoss What The Pho 51	Posted - 2015.03.26 17:26:00 - [12] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Min Assault is fine tbh. It's the only assault suit that is really empowered to do what it was designed to do with a level of magnificence. Gal and Amarr play the same way. Amarr is supposed to be brick tank but nobody runs brick tank plates anymore due to strafe penalty so that playstyle is busted unless you have a logi cheerleading squad. It's all minor buffer and repair, with amarr being slower overall. Ultimately comes down to which weapon bonus suits your playstyle better. Cal is just... I don't even know. That suit isn't broken exactly, but it sure as hell isn't standing out as something to fear. Yes Himiko, theoretically you are correct in the above statements, yet the oh so bleak reality, that is gameplay begs to differ. The MinAssault can strafe faster, be adaptable enough to complement almost any racial weapon and boast an even amount of shield/armor to take on anyone and anything. As for the Cal Assault...it is a sad suit for a sad race. Derpa hard and derpa fast.
Regnier Feros Pielords 260	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:06:00 - [13] - Quote Add more rust to the suit "You're like a she-male.. hates gym, doesn't know how to be alpha.. you'll stay in the friendzone for life" -Senpai
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens 1251	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:07:00 - [14] - Quote Don't touch their speed. They are supposed to be speedy. What needs to be tweaked is the stamina. Something that fast should not recover even faster. Reduce their stamina regen to 30-isj and maybe they will get fixed. The Forums are a special place.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5038	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:13:00 - [15] - Quote You realize you mean 0.05 0.5 would make it go from 5.3 to 4.8 But 0.05 would make 5.25 I'm not sure if that's what you guys are proposing or if you missed a decimal, maybe I had too much mery j.... Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Zepod Titans of Phoenix 119	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:18:00 - [16] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Why does it need a nerf? Because it killed me, and other people are using it. You may not like what I said, but it's true. It might anger or offend you, but it's still true.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 208	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:22:00 - [17] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: is the min assault really that strong now...I remember when it used to be the worst assault... Same. It used to be SOOO BAD, it was like running a scout as an assault with no armor or shields. It's kinda op right now. 48th Special Operations Force. Twitter- @48SOF
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 640	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:36:00 - [18] - Quote The problem is not the min ass suit, it's the hit detection, which gets worse the faster you move.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1674	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:41:00 - [19] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: If you reduce overall Min Assault HP, buff the shield delay to compensate. If you want it to be a low HP fast assault, make it have better regen than the cal assault. Don't slow it down. Speed is actually what defines the Min Assault. Its ability to quickly maneuver the battlefield is half the reason why I love the suit (And all other minmatar suits) So you're saying buff the Amarr scout movement? Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you AIV member.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3237	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:42:00 - [20] - Quote Reducing the stamina regen a bit would help a bit too. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~

VAHZZ 1047	Posted - 2015.03.26 18:43:00 - [21] - Quote Give us Gallentaens 8.00 repair on every suit, and 8% more clip size of plasma weaponry. Completely balanced *BRUH.* Closed Beta Vet.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 387	Posted - 2015.03.26 19:10:00 - [22] - Quote I'm not sure the Min assault really needs a nerf. It does exactly what it is supposed to do; act as a versatile light assault. Similarly, the Amarr assault functions well in a tanky front line role. The Gal fills a similar role, and could use a small buff to help differentiate it from the Amarr and bring it to a similar place. Right now it is viable, but there are better options for the same task. An offensive buff in the form of a small increase in range or a defensive buff in the form of a little extra armor regen would probably do the trick. Better passive scanning at short range could be interesting too. The Cal isn't broken but could use a bit of love. It has a unique niche as a shield regen tanker that plays at range and can be used effectively. Socket/objective design hampers it a bit as CQC seems to be favored under more circumstances than mid/long range play. Some combination of offensive/defensive buffs to improve it's performance may be in order. Less kick on rails, a small amount of energy resistance or some sort of buff to shield buffer/regen/delay come to mind. -Aramis TL;DR MIN and Amarr assaults are ok. Gal needs a small buff to make it equal to and distinct from Amarr. Cal could use a somewhat larger buff to make it less constrained in it's role.
dust 514 shadow Eternal Beings 4	Posted - 2015.03.26 20:25:00 - [23] - Quote noooooo. Noooooo. The Min assault is the only balanced suit in the game. Sure they can move pretty quickly but considering the fact that a sentinel ak.o could theoretically move faster it isn't an issue. If you can hit a scout then you can hit a min assault. The ability to tank doesn't mean much bc it slows you down. If you can deal with heavies you can deal with the min assault. A Ammar assault could have more hp. If its tanked and fast its only and issue if your not good. I run min assault all the time and I don't find that its excessively fast If you armor tank a min assault is slower than a cal assault.
RemingtonBeaver molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2115	Posted - 2015.03.26 22:08:00 - [24] - Quote Friends don't let friends post butthurt. Unleash the BIMBOBOT!
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 352	Posted - 2015.03.26 22:40:00 - [25] - Quote Min Ass doesn't need nerf, lolstrafing needs to be nerfed. Add to that a sliight buff to commandos and a change to Cal assault bonus and the game seems pretty balanced
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6826	Posted - 2015.03.26 23:26:00 - [26] - Quote Or introduce an actual speed:eHP base ratio while taking in race lore in consideration. It seems most of these numbers were pulled off of a hat.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1973	Posted - 2015.03.26 23:29:00 - [27] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Buff the skills of the other suits (Caldari) "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1973	Posted - 2015.03.26 23:30:00 - [28] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: -Aramis Thanks for telling me your name. I couldn't see it next to your post. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1562	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:11:00 - [29] - Quote You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
Diablo Gamekeeper KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 171	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:18:00 - [30] - Quote Number 1. A .5 nerf to speed is ridiculous, and will completely screw MinAss users over. Number 2. All of the assaults are balanced, the Amarr rapes the MinAss all the time, and vice versa. "I think he just Assert Dominance all over my face."-Saxonmish

General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 226	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:30:00 - [31] - Quote KingBabar wrote: It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a tweak, there is a huge difference. Lets take movement speed for starters. Amm = 4,8 Cal & Gal = 5 Min = 5,3 This should be 5.2 to put it in line with the general progression. Next I would reduce the stamina regen from 50 ish to 30 ish. I would start with the 2 changes mentioned above, if this would be "not enough", then a slight HP nerf is in order, maye around 30... As it is now, the Ammar and Minmatar suits are as good as equal in terms of "general viability". This has a lot to do with their bonuses and how good the various guns perform. Ideally, I would like to cange the racial bonuses of the Cal and maybe even the Gal assault and testing the new meta before even thouching the Min suit. There are many good suggestions: For Cal: reduction to ADS kick, reduction of charge up time, increased clip size like the Min has of today. For Gal: Reload bonus, (Yeah its not a joke, a reload bonus would go well with a speed and rep tanked Gal assault designed to shred multiple opponents in CQC), A range buff, though that should be kept at 2% max 3% per level, there have been plenty of good suggestions in various threads... How do I put this...? Don't tweak my Gal Assault. Its perfect as it is. To the OP, the Min assault is fine. I honestly still think it sucks. Gallente-Fu Grand Master Gallente Federation Patriot
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17847	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:33:00 - [32] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1562	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:33:00 - [33] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: Number 1. A .5 nerf to speed is ridiculous, and will completely screw MinAss users over. Number 2. All of the assaults are balanced, the Amarr rapes the MinAss all the time, and vice versa. ^^ this right here Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1562	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:36:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2824	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:43:00 - [35] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Amarr should have the best overall Stamina stats, to be honest. Home at Last <3
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 901	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:56:00 - [36] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Not the way to do it. I agree that it's recent popularity isn't a coincidence and some rebalance is needed but the speed is supposed to be big and hp is low enough. I suggest -1 low slot for a 4/3 slot layout at proto. Should work great and make speed tanking more necessary instead of stacking HP mods. EDIT: I have min assault too and think it needs a slight balance, but maybe not any. We'll see. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
The dark cloud Negative-Feedback. 4198	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:18:00 - [37] - Quote Strafing speed is just stupiditly insane on that suit. Trying to kill some 1 with that suit while hes using a keayboard/mouse is near impossible cause you are appearently aible to dodge bullets like neo with it. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1563	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:40:00 - [38] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Amarr should have the best overall Stamina stats, to be honest. Actually no, amarr have the longest lasting stamina while opposingly the minmatar have the fastest regen of stamina for their lack of actual sustainable stamina Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 781	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:48:00 - [39] - Quote You can tweak these suits til you're out of ideas, but it's the games hit detection issues. Not the suit. The faster you move the worse it gets. That's why the min assault,and scouts don't die when shot at the way heavies do. I have an easier time killing heavies lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 781	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:50:00 - [40] - Quote General12912 wrote: KingBabar wrote: It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a tweak, there is a huge difference. Lets take movement speed for starters. Amm = 4,8 Cal & Gal = 5 Min = 5,3 This should be 5.2 to put it in line with the general progression. Next I would reduce the stamina regen from 50 ish to 30 ish. I would start with the 2 changes mentioned above, if this would be "not enough", then a slight HP nerf is in order, maye around 30... As it is now, the Ammar and Minmatar suits are as good as equal in terms of "general viability". This has a lot to do with their bonuses and how good the various guns perform. Ideally, I would like to cange the racial bonuses of the Cal and maybe even the Gal assault and testing the new meta before even thouching the Min suit. There are many good suggestions: For Cal: reduction to ADS kick, reduction of charge up time, increased clip size like the Min has of today. For Gal: Reload bonus, (Yeah its not a joke, a reload bonus would go well with a speed and rep tanked Gal assault designed to shred multiple opponents in CQC), A range buff, though that should be kept at 2% max 3% per level, there have been plenty of good suggestions in various threads... How do I put this...? Don't tweak my Gal Assault. Its perfect as it is. To the OP, the Min assault is fine. I honestly still think it sucks. Don't listen to this guy "Anybody order chaos?"

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 8341	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:51:00 - [41] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Speeds are normalized at -0.1 m/s base movement: Google Doc MN Assault Base Movement: 5.30 ---> 5.20 * Sprint is a derived stat; it will follow automatically. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 291	Posted - 2015.03.27 03:04:00 - [42] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Why does it need a nerf? Obviously cause it killed the OP. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 560	Posted - 2015.03.27 03:44:00 - [43] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? All minmatar suits need their stamina regen toned down. The min assault isnt OP because of its speed or hp.
Stupid Blueberry The Darkhunter Society 1056	Posted - 2015.03.27 03:45:00 - [44] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Get over it? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen. Blueberry smokin' that crack y'all
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2590	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:02:00 - [45] - Quote If Rattati can get us a few more frames it'll prolly be a moot point because the min Assault will go back to being average or marginally up. Would rather see Ratt focus on fps before nerfing the fast suits around framerate/hit detection. PSN: RationalSpark
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17850	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:04:00 - [46] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Amarr should have the best overall Stamina stats, to be honest. Actually no, amarr have the longest lasting stamina while opposingly the minmatar have the fastest regen of stamina for their lack of actual sustainable stamina What paradigm other than the illogical buff last year are you basing that off of? Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2191	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:21:00 - [47] - Quote The suit is actually garbage. As all Minmatar suits would be. It doesn't have any advantages... however the fact that it's hitbox is straight up broken may have something to do with people flocking to it I know what 32 people are doing at once. Trick is, I really only need to pay attention to 31...
Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 346	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:32:00 - [48] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? You do not nerf it. In my experience nerfing always screws people over; at least it has always screwed me over. Buff every other race suit then??? Yes.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 773	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:41:00 - [49] - Quote I hope everyone saying it is balanced realises that it loses 40hp to gain 0.3 m/s movement speed, sprint speed is nearly 0.4m/s more with biotics upgrades 5. It has similar Hp to all the other assaults and on top of that, it moves much faster. How in the world is that balanced? It needs looking at, don't swing the hammer at it, but a slight tap won't hurt.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 773	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:44:00 - [50] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? All minmatar suits need their stamina regen toned down. The min assault isnt OP because of its speed or hp. No, it's because of all three. It's faster than an Amarr scout and has only slightly less Hp than the other assaults. Plus it can sprint for ages. It needs looking at

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5510	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:37:00 - [51] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Min Assault is fine tbh. It's the only assault suit that is really empowered to do what it was designed to do with a level of magnificence. Gal and Amarr play the same way. Amarr is supposed to be brick tank but nobody runs brick tank plates anymore due to strafe penalty so that playstyle is busted unless you have a logi cheerleading squad. It's all minor buffer and repair, with amarr being slower overall. Ultimately comes down to which weapon bonus suits your playstyle better. Cal is just... I don't even know. That suit isn't broken exactly, but it sure as hell isn't standing out as something to fear. Yes Himiko, theoretically you are correct in the above statements, yet the oh so bleak reality, that is gameplay begs to differ. The MinAssault can strafe faster, be adaptable enough to complement almost any racial weapon and boast an even amount of shield/armor to take on anyone and anything. As for the Cal Assault...it is a sad suit for a sad race. Min assault still loses to amarr assault with SCR, and any suit with a regular AR of equal skill. It's not invincible. If by plot twist it is brick tanked, it ends up losing to other min assaults. Not in theory, in practice. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2842	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:40:00 - [52] - Quote It might need a small tweak, but I think this issue has more to do with Caldari and Gallente assault bonuses being garbage. If those were stronger, I think we'd see more variety. The Min assault has a very strong bonus to a very good weapon. That combo makes it desirable. Best PvE idea ever!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5510	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:43:00 - [53] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? All minmatar suits need their stamina regen toned down. The min assault isnt OP because of its speed or hp. No, it's because of all three. It's faster than an Amarr scout and has only slightly less Hp than the other assaults. Plus it can sprint for ages. It needs looking at Nerf it any lower and you'll have a suit with equal HP to a scout without E-war, extra equipment or hitbox benefits. Nobody would run it. So you can either beat the scouts and the min assault down, or you can raise the other assaults up. It requires very little to make them desirable. Amarr suit gets a movement penalty reduction to plates. Gallente gets a % bonus to repairers. Caldari gets a banjo and a backup singer. Min Assault gets some harmless bonus that ends up just putting them where they are now in terms of efficiency after a stat nerf to compensate for it. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Taskanoss What The Pho 56	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:58:00 - [54] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Friends don't let friends post butthurt. And it was this very same soreness of buttocks, that led to this thread. The cure was if you can't beat them....RESPEC. Derpa hard and derpa fast.
Mad Kras Dead Man's Game RUST415 208	Posted - 2015.03.27 11:02:00 - [55] - Quote No nerf, just learn how to counter it. Arrogance and sarcasm lvl 5 ( . Y . )
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 169	Posted - 2015.03.27 11:18:00 - [56] - Quote Mad Kras wrote: No nerf, just learn how to counter it. Oh yeah?Remember how loud crowd was about nerfing HMG because they "couldn't be countered".And now,you can see only scramblers and combat rifles around every corner. Since i restarted my SP,i speced in AR and minmatar assaults are not the problem anymore.All I can see is that Minmatar assault is running from me and fails.Any antishield weapon can beat the **** out of them. However,combat rifle need a nerf :) Public skirmish = camping games
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2066	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:00:00 - [57] - Quote minmatar needs as much nerf as people claiming that it needs nerf have in aiming skill. in short zero... the same applies to combat rifles. I will spare you from making yourself look stupid and tell you right away, the paper RPM is only during the 3 round burst. it has a burst delay after each which brings it to 857 RPM in total. the only real fix we need is some kind of movement acceleration to prevent wobbling left right. as for hit detection, I have no problem hitting a kin cat boosted sprinting minmatar light in the head with any single shot weapon.
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1438	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:39:00 - [58] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Don't touch their speed. They are supposed to be speedy. What needs to be tweaked is the stamina. Something that fast should not recover even faster. Reduce their stamina regen to 30-isj and maybe they will get fixed. I agree with this. The HP and speed on the min is not the issue. It's super charged stamina regen is. The min can sprint and jump too too much like a scout. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 169	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:43:00 - [59] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: minmatar needs as much nerf as people claiming that it needs nerf have in aiming skill. in short zero... the same applies to combat rifles. I will spare you from making yourself look stupid and tell you right away, the paper RPM is only during the 3 round burst. it has a burst delay after each which brings it to 857 RPM in total. the only real fix we need is some kind of movement acceleration to prevent wobbling left right. as for hit detection, I have no problem hitting a kin cat boosted sprinting minmatar light in the head with any single shot weapon. I was thinking about assault combat rifle,not combat rifle... Public skirmish = camping games
thehellisgoingon MONSTER SYNERGY 390	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:56:00 - [60] - Quote Bad hit detection + high movement speed + armor proficiency weapon+ extendo clip+ **** star stamina = thehellisgoingon It is a great suit. Every bonus in the game.

Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 773	Posted - 2015.03.27 13:36:00 - [61] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Don't touch their speed. They are supposed to be speedy. What needs to be tweaked is the stamina. Something that fast should not recover even faster. Reduce their stamina regen to 30-isj and maybe they will get fixed. I agree with this. The HP and speed on the min is not the issue. It's super charged stamina regen is. The min can sprint and jump too too much like a scout. So scout level speed and assault level hp is fine to you? It loses 40hp for 0.5m/s sprint speed advantage, it shouldn't be faster than an Amarr scout at all.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 392	Posted - 2015.03.27 14:11:00 - [62] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Aramis Madrigal wrote: -Aramis Thanks for telling me your name. I couldn't see it next to your post. It's a fairly common practice within some circles to sign a missive. I took the time to write what I thought was a thoughtful response to the OPs statement. When I do such, I will write my name after it. I don't "sign" posts that are short, off the cuff responses. Thus, the practice does have some purpose, even if it isn't obvious to you.
Diablo Gamekeeper KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 173	Posted - 2015.03.28 02:09:00 - [63] - Quote The MinAss is perfectly fine and the strafe speed is only insane with Keyboard and Mouse users, as it is with EVERY suit thta is used with Keyboard and Mouse "I think he just Assert Dominance all over my face."-Saxonmish
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 565	Posted - 2015.03.28 07:56:00 - [64] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Don't touch their speed. They are supposed to be speedy. What needs to be tweaked is the stamina. Something that fast should not recover even faster. Reduce their stamina regen to 30-isj and maybe they will get fixed. I agree with this. The HP and speed on the min is not the issue. It's super charged stamina regen is. The min can sprint and jump too too much like a scout. So scout level speed and assault level hp is fine to you? It loses 40hp for 0.5m/s sprint speed advantage, it shouldn't be faster than an Amarr scout at all. The amarr scout needs a buff, pretty clearly, dont think that has anything to do with the min assault
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1570	Posted - 2015.03.28 11:51:00 - [65] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Don't touch their speed. They are supposed to be speedy. What needs to be tweaked is the stamina. Something that fast should not recover even faster. Reduce their stamina regen to 30-isj and maybe they will get fixed. I agree with this. The HP and speed on the min is not the issue. It's super charged stamina regen is. The min can sprint and jump too too much like a scout. So scout level speed and assault level hp is fine to you? It loses 40hp for 0.5m/s sprint speed advantage, it shouldn't be faster than an Amarr scout at all. The amarr scout needs a buff, pretty clearly, dont think that has anything to do with the min assault Just because a 'scout' is a scout doesn't mean that no other suit can be faster than it no matter what, it just makes for different play styles. Also isn't the scan bonus for the amarr a the unnecessary "buff" the scout got? Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar


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