DUST Search - Nerfing the MinAssault

General12912 wrote:

KingBabar wrote:

It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a tweak, there is a huge difference.
Lets take movement speed for starters.

Amm = 4,8
Cal & Gal = 5
Min = 5,3 This should be 5.2 to put it in line with the general progression.

Next I would reduce the stamina regen from 50 ish to 30 ish.

I would start with the 2 changes mentioned above, if this would be "not enough",
then a slight HP nerf is in order, maye around 30...

As it is now, the Ammar and Minmatar suits are as good as equal in terms of "general viability". This has a lot to do with their bonuses and how good the various guns perform.

Ideally, I would like to cange the racial bonuses of the Cal and maybe even the Gal assault and testing the new meta before even thouching the Min suit.

There are many good suggestions:

For Cal: reduction to ADS kick, reduction of charge up time, increased clip size like the Min has of today.

For Gal: Reload bonus, (Yeah its not a joke, a reload bonus would go well with a speed and rep tanked Gal assault designed to shred multiple opponents in CQC), A range buff, though that should be kept at 2% max 3% per level, there have been plenty of good suggestions in various threads...

How do I put this...? Don't tweak my Gal Assault. Its perfect as it is.

To the OP, the Min assault is fine. I honestly still think it sucks.

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General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 226	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:30:00 - [31] - Quote KingBabar wrote: It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a tweak, there is a huge difference. Lets take movement speed for starters. Amm = 4,8 Cal & Gal = 5 Min = 5,3 This should be 5.2 to put it in line with the general progression. Next I would reduce the stamina regen from 50 ish to 30 ish. I would start with the 2 changes mentioned above, if this would be "not enough", then a slight HP nerf is in order, maye around 30... As it is now, the Ammar and Minmatar suits are as good as equal in terms of "general viability". This has a lot to do with their bonuses and how good the various guns perform. Ideally, I would like to cange the racial bonuses of the Cal and maybe even the Gal assault and testing the new meta before even thouching the Min suit. There are many good suggestions: For Cal: reduction to ADS kick, reduction of charge up time, increased clip size like the Min has of today. For Gal: Reload bonus, (Yeah its not a joke, a reload bonus would go well with a speed and rep tanked Gal assault designed to shred multiple opponents in CQC), A range buff, though that should be kept at 2% max 3% per level, there have been plenty of good suggestions in various threads... How do I put this...? Don't tweak my Gal Assault. Its perfect as it is. To the OP, the Min assault is fine. I honestly still think it sucks. Gallente-Fu Grand Master Gallente Federation Patriot
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17847	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:33:00 - [32] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1562	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:33:00 - [33] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: Number 1. A .5 nerf to speed is ridiculous, and will completely screw MinAss users over. Number 2. All of the assaults are balanced, the Amarr rapes the MinAss all the time, and vice versa. ^^ this right here Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1562	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:36:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2824	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:43:00 - [35] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Amarr should have the best overall Stamina stats, to be honest. Home at Last <3
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 901	Posted - 2015.03.27 00:56:00 - [36] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Not the way to do it. I agree that it's recent popularity isn't a coincidence and some rebalance is needed but the speed is supposed to be big and hp is low enough. I suggest -1 low slot for a 4/3 slot layout at proto. Should work great and make speed tanking more necessary instead of stacking HP mods. EDIT: I have min assault too and think it needs a slight balance, but maybe not any. We'll see. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
The dark cloud Negative-Feedback. 4198	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:18:00 - [37] - Quote Strafing speed is just stupiditly insane on that suit. Trying to kill some 1 with that suit while hes using a keayboard/mouse is near impossible cause you are appearently aible to dodge bullets like neo with it. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1563	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:40:00 - [38] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Amarr should have the best overall Stamina stats, to be honest. Actually no, amarr have the longest lasting stamina while opposingly the minmatar have the fastest regen of stamina for their lack of actual sustainable stamina Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 781	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:48:00 - [39] - Quote You can tweak these suits til you're out of ideas, but it's the games hit detection issues. Not the suit. The faster you move the worse it gets. That's why the min assault,and scouts don't die when shot at the way heavies do. I have an easier time killing heavies lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 781	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:50:00 - [40] - Quote General12912 wrote: KingBabar wrote: It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a tweak, there is a huge difference. Lets take movement speed for starters. Amm = 4,8 Cal & Gal = 5 Min = 5,3 This should be 5.2 to put it in line with the general progression. Next I would reduce the stamina regen from 50 ish to 30 ish. I would start with the 2 changes mentioned above, if this would be "not enough", then a slight HP nerf is in order, maye around 30... As it is now, the Ammar and Minmatar suits are as good as equal in terms of "general viability". This has a lot to do with their bonuses and how good the various guns perform. Ideally, I would like to cange the racial bonuses of the Cal and maybe even the Gal assault and testing the new meta before even thouching the Min suit. There are many good suggestions: For Cal: reduction to ADS kick, reduction of charge up time, increased clip size like the Min has of today. For Gal: Reload bonus, (Yeah its not a joke, a reload bonus would go well with a speed and rep tanked Gal assault designed to shred multiple opponents in CQC), A range buff, though that should be kept at 2% max 3% per level, there have been plenty of good suggestions in various threads... How do I put this...? Don't tweak my Gal Assault. Its perfect as it is. To the OP, the Min assault is fine. I honestly still think it sucks. Don't listen to this guy "Anybody order chaos?"

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 8341	Posted - 2015.03.27 01:51:00 - [41] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Speeds are normalized at -0.1 m/s base movement: Google Doc MN Assault Base Movement: 5.30 ---> 5.20 * Sprint is a derived stat; it will follow automatically. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 291	Posted - 2015.03.27 03:04:00 - [42] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Why does it need a nerf? Obviously cause it killed the OP. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 560	Posted - 2015.03.27 03:44:00 - [43] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? All minmatar suits need their stamina regen toned down. The min assault isnt OP because of its speed or hp.
Stupid Blueberry The Darkhunter Society 1056	Posted - 2015.03.27 03:45:00 - [44] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? Get over it? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen. Blueberry smokin' that crack y'all
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2590	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:02:00 - [45] - Quote If Rattati can get us a few more frames it'll prolly be a moot point because the min Assault will go back to being average or marginally up. Would rather see Ratt focus on fps before nerfing the fast suits around framerate/hit detection. PSN: RationalSpark
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17850	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:04:00 - [46] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: knight guard fury wrote: You guys do realize that the only reason the min assault got buffed was because it was lacking WAY TOO MUCH EHP and it was brought up to par reasonably with the others while still having the lowest Ehp. And FFS can we please balance things lore wise or race vs race wise, eg. MinVamarr and calVgal. Instead of comparing to all of everyone Might do to lessen in Stamina Regen which was randomly buffed out of nowhere a while back. As long as I still have the fastest regen I'll be totally fine with that Amarr should have the best overall Stamina stats, to be honest. Actually no, amarr have the longest lasting stamina while opposingly the minmatar have the fastest regen of stamina for their lack of actual sustainable stamina What paradigm other than the illogical buff last year are you basing that off of? Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2191	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:21:00 - [47] - Quote The suit is actually garbage. As all Minmatar suits would be. It doesn't have any advantages... however the fact that it's hitbox is straight up broken may have something to do with people flocking to it I know what 32 people are doing at once. Trick is, I really only need to pay attention to 31...
Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 346	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:32:00 - [48] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? You do not nerf it. In my experience nerfing always screws people over; at least it has always screwed me over. Buff every other race suit then??? Yes.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 773	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:41:00 - [49] - Quote I hope everyone saying it is balanced realises that it loses 40hp to gain 0.3 m/s movement speed, sprint speed is nearly 0.4m/s more with biotics upgrades 5. It has similar Hp to all the other assaults and on top of that, it moves much faster. How in the world is that balanced? It needs looking at, don't swing the hammer at it, but a slight tap won't hurt.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 773	Posted - 2015.03.27 04:44:00 - [50] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? All minmatar suits need their stamina regen toned down. The min assault isnt OP because of its speed or hp. No, it's because of all three. It's faster than an Amarr scout and has only slightly less Hp than the other assaults. Plus it can sprint for ages. It needs looking at

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5510	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:37:00 - [51] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Min Assault is fine tbh. It's the only assault suit that is really empowered to do what it was designed to do with a level of magnificence. Gal and Amarr play the same way. Amarr is supposed to be brick tank but nobody runs brick tank plates anymore due to strafe penalty so that playstyle is busted unless you have a logi cheerleading squad. It's all minor buffer and repair, with amarr being slower overall. Ultimately comes down to which weapon bonus suits your playstyle better. Cal is just... I don't even know. That suit isn't broken exactly, but it sure as hell isn't standing out as something to fear. Yes Himiko, theoretically you are correct in the above statements, yet the oh so bleak reality, that is gameplay begs to differ. The MinAssault can strafe faster, be adaptable enough to complement almost any racial weapon and boast an even amount of shield/armor to take on anyone and anything. As for the Cal Assault...it is a sad suit for a sad race. Min assault still loses to amarr assault with SCR, and any suit with a regular AR of equal skill. It's not invincible. If by plot twist it is brick tanked, it ends up losing to other min assaults. Not in theory, in practice. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2842	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:40:00 - [52] - Quote It might need a small tweak, but I think this issue has more to do with Caldari and Gallente assault bonuses being garbage. If those were stronger, I think we'd see more variety. The Min assault has a very strong bonus to a very good weapon. That combo makes it desirable. Best PvE idea ever!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5510	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:43:00 - [53] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Taskanoss wrote: I propose a drop in native shields by 80 hp and .5 m/s movement speed. How else do we nerf it? All minmatar suits need their stamina regen toned down. The min assault isnt OP because of its speed or hp. No, it's because of all three. It's faster than an Amarr scout and has only slightly less Hp than the other assaults. Plus it can sprint for ages. It needs looking at Nerf it any lower and you'll have a suit with equal HP to a scout without E-war, extra equipment or hitbox benefits. Nobody would run it. So you can either beat the scouts and the min assault down, or you can raise the other assaults up. It requires very little to make them desirable. Amarr suit gets a movement penalty reduction to plates. Gallente gets a % bonus to repairers. Caldari gets a banjo and a backup singer. Min Assault gets some harmless bonus that ends up just putting them where they are now in terms of efficiency after a stat nerf to compensate for it. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Taskanoss What The Pho 56	Posted - 2015.03.27 05:58:00 - [54] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Friends don't let friends post butthurt. And it was this very same soreness of buttocks, that led to this thread. The cure was if you can't beat them....RESPEC. Derpa hard and derpa fast.
Mad Kras Dead Man's Game RUST415 208	Posted - 2015.03.27 11:02:00 - [55] - Quote No nerf, just learn how to counter it. Arrogance and sarcasm lvl 5 ( . Y . )
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 169	Posted - 2015.03.27 11:18:00 - [56] - Quote Mad Kras wrote: No nerf, just learn how to counter it. Oh yeah?Remember how loud crowd was about nerfing HMG because they "couldn't be countered".And now,you can see only scramblers and combat rifles around every corner. Since i restarted my SP,i speced in AR and minmatar assaults are not the problem anymore.All I can see is that Minmatar assault is running from me and fails.Any antishield weapon can beat the **** out of them. However,combat rifle need a nerf :) Public skirmish = camping games
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2066	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:00:00 - [57] - Quote minmatar needs as much nerf as people claiming that it needs nerf have in aiming skill. in short zero... the same applies to combat rifles. I will spare you from making yourself look stupid and tell you right away, the paper RPM is only during the 3 round burst. it has a burst delay after each which brings it to 857 RPM in total. the only real fix we need is some kind of movement acceleration to prevent wobbling left right. as for hit detection, I have no problem hitting a kin cat boosted sprinting minmatar light in the head with any single shot weapon.
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1438	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:39:00 - [58] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Don't touch their speed. They are supposed to be speedy. What needs to be tweaked is the stamina. Something that fast should not recover even faster. Reduce their stamina regen to 30-isj and maybe they will get fixed. I agree with this. The HP and speed on the min is not the issue. It's super charged stamina regen is. The min can sprint and jump too too much like a scout. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 169	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:43:00 - [59] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: minmatar needs as much nerf as people claiming that it needs nerf have in aiming skill. in short zero... the same applies to combat rifles. I will spare you from making yourself look stupid and tell you right away, the paper RPM is only during the 3 round burst. it has a burst delay after each which brings it to 857 RPM in total. the only real fix we need is some kind of movement acceleration to prevent wobbling left right. as for hit detection, I have no problem hitting a kin cat boosted sprinting minmatar light in the head with any single shot weapon. I was thinking about assault combat rifle,not combat rifle... Public skirmish = camping games
thehellisgoingon MONSTER SYNERGY 390	Posted - 2015.03.27 12:56:00 - [60] - Quote Bad hit detection + high movement speed + armor proficiency weapon+ extendo clip+ **** star stamina = thehellisgoingon It is a great suit. Every bonus in the game.



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