DUST Search - So, I was chatting to Hilmar and Rattati last night....

sabre prime wrote:

Kevall Longstride wrote:

In regard to the long term future of Dust 514, the game is now a train with no plans to stop, just uncertain as to what platforms it might visit on the way (his analogy).

What he said earlier today in the Welcome to Fanfest as to Legion still stands, they've nothing new to report and in line with CCP's new policy and direction, that'll remain the case till they have something concrete and deliverable. He also spoke about how Legions announcement last year was premature and something that wouldn't happen now.

Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now.

Since last year's fanfest most of the dust community/player base was led to believe that the Dust development team was massively downscaled. What has the remainder of the Dust developers at Shanghai been doing? Have they been working on Legion over the last year? If so why don't they have anything to report or show "something concrete and deliverable"?

Where have the Dust dev resources gone? Is Shanghai working on Valkyrie or just CCP Newcastle? If the Nemesis demo was a "spare time" thing, what are those devs doing otherwise?

If Dust will continue on track as it currently is (making steady income?), why can't the dev team be expanded to develop the game further or prepare this train to visit new platforms as it were?

As you can see, more questions than answers. Thanks for the update though KL.

Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2477	Posted - 2015.03.20 10:46:00 - [1] - Quote First of all I must give thanks to Athanor Ruthoern formerly of EVE University, wormhole specialist and generally all round cool lady for offering me the spare ticket they had for the CEO Charity meal. Much appreciated o7 The meal this year was different from previous years by being less informal, with Dev's and Players mingling amongst each other allowing for much greater interaction and chat with a number of Dev's. CCP Rattati and myself were both there and answering a lot of questions questions about Dust 514 from the mostly Eve players that were there. These players were mostly supportive of Dust while having some issues with a couple of things within the game. Put simply, there's a lot of Eve players that also play Dust but for whatever reason, keep it to themselves. During the evening I spoke to several Dev's including CCP Nullabor about his time on Dust 514 and how much he likes the direction its going now. And as the title of the thread says I spend some time speaking to Hilmar. Most of it was discussion about the CPM's role with CCP Shanghai, how much we talk to Rattati on a day to day basis and some of the difficulties that running a Dust corp or Alliance that Dust players have to cope with. But later, as it got quieter I took the opportunity to directly address some of the issues raised in the forums today after the first day of streaming from Fanfest and he also asked me to relay it to all as quickly as I was able. Understand now that this was an informal conversation, not an interview in anyway. In regard to the long term future of Dust 514, the game is now a train with no plans to stop, just uncertain as to what platforms it might visit on the way (his analogy). What he said earlier today in the Welcome to Fanfest as to Legion still stands, they've nothing new to report and in line with CCP's new policy and direction, that'll remain the case till they have something concrete and deliverable. He also spoke about how Legions announcement last year was premature and something that wouldn't happen now. Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Project Nemesis is a true tech demo, in the same vein as EVE-VR was two Fanfest's ago. It was created and iterated on by a a small group of guys in Shanghai, in their free time, while they worked to see what was possible using the GearVR Dev kit. So I hope that answers some of your questions guys. I'll keep you appraised of anything else I hear about on Fanfests second day. o7 CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3656	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:00:00 - [2] - Quote Intresting so, their this year will focus on Valk. But dust is on a holding patten before a platform switch. At least that's how this fanfest is reading You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
LT SHANKS You In The Nutz 5489	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:00:00 - [3] - Quote So, Legion is a no-go?
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 516	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:03:00 - [4] - Quote Dangling carrots. So they say something while saying nothing. Saying what's on people's minds
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4796	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:10:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Haerr Nos Nothi 2564	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:13:00 - [6] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to ~~PS4~~ PC. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase ~~PS4s~~ PCs for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to ~~PS4~~ PC that would play Dust on the ~~PS4~~ PC if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. FTFY
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2286	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:16:00 - [7] - Quote I look forward to seeing the forums find a way to complain about this. This is good news, though. If Hilmar is very pleased with how Dust is currently then that bodes well for its future. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 552	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:25:00 - [8] - Quote I think it's better of them to say nothing, if nothing is ready to be anounced. On the other hand, I'd like to see CCP communicating with the players about what players want from a future iteration/version of DUST. May it be on PC or console. Just collecting ideas, and at the same time trying to figure out what the EVE guys are willing to let influence their game. I think economic connection will probably be easier to make than a real time connection, that influences in the fights... (like a skyfire battery).
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 524	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:34:00 - [9] - Quote Deliverable. New policy. That right there should be CCP's new slogan. That is the one response that has any promise for this company. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4799	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:48:00 - [10] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: So, Legion is a no-go? At this point that seems more than clear. As a community we need to refocus and redouble our efforts to ensure that Dust 514 lives beyond the PS3. A community uproar made CCP take Valkyrie from a project to a full production. We need to similarly ensure that our voices are heard that we won't Dust to live beyond the PS3. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

Foundation Seldon Demonite's Legion 908	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:50:00 - [11] - Quote I actually appreciate that they're not willing to go into detail about Legion for as long as they don't really have anything solid in order to present. It does raise questions about what the majority of the Shanghai team is actually working on though, especially with knowing how that there still aren't a ton of internal resources being dedicated to Dust and how the Nemesis group was just another small segment of the team working on a tech demo. If Dust was truly their focus then I can't imagine why we haven't gotten anything more substantial in terms of new art assets for the eventual new heavy weapons or why we'd be talking about incorporating color swaps to represent the eventual Minmatar and Amarr tanks.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 554	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:57:00 - [12] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: I actually appreciate that they're not willing to go into detail about Legion for as long as they don't really have anything solid in order to present. It does raise questions about what the majority of the Shanghai team is actually working on though, especially with knowing how that there still aren't a ton of internal resources being dedicated to Dust and how the Nemesis group was just another small segment of the team working on a tech demo. If Dust was truly their focus then I can't imagine why we haven't gotten anything more substantial in terms of new art assets for the eventual new heavy weapons or why we'd be talking about incorporating color swaps to represent the eventual Minmatar and Amarr tanks. There is an easy explanation for that, if they work on a PC/next gen version of Dust, they can easyly use the resources. Since PC and PS4 have the same architecture, it's possible to convert the game we have now without commiting to one or the other platform. The other explanation would be that the CCP china guys just work on EVE stuff as well.
Green Living Gallente Gay Swag Club 1451	Posted - 2015.03.20 12:39:00 - [13] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. I would 100% purchase a PS4 just for Dust.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4337	Posted - 2015.03.20 13:39:00 - [14] - Quote So DUST is a runaway train heading in no particular direction with no future ahead of it while Legion is currently a new train being built proberly in that awful train map i keep getting all the time but also has no forseeable future ahead of it either. So nothing changes. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2089	Posted - 2015.03.20 13:53:00 - [15] - Quote Thanks for the info Kevall! From what I've heard everyone had a really good time, and I'm glad to hear all the chatter about Dust. Unleash the BIMBOBOT!
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2799	Posted - 2015.03.20 14:39:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks for doing this. What I don't get is why the guys doing Project Nemesis aren't working on DUST 514 after hours instead. I can't help but think we'd have racial parity if they weren't screwing around with this crap. It's not like things are going perfectly and they have all of this free time to want to clown around with a VR version of asteroids. It's such a stupid waste. Best PvE idea ever!
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy 754	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:06:00 - [17] - Quote Imagine if he realized Legion was to early last year. If they just showed us all they were working on for both Legion and Dust and called it the future of Dust, and then said Dust development was to be slowed for more focus on Valkyrie. imagine where dust would be right now. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 1005	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:16:00 - [18] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Dangling carrots. So they say something while saying nothing. This. It's maddeningly vague what he says. No plans to stop but he has no idea where they are going... sounds like more life support. Interesting that in all these conversations, there is no mention of CCP Rouge. What exactly is his role in all of this now?
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 687	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:26:00 - [19] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Imagine if he realized Legion was to early last year. If they just showed us all they were working on for both Legion and Dust and called it the future of Dust, and then said Dust development was to be slowed for more focus on Valkyrie. imagine where dust would be right now. You liked it running at 12fps 720p, check it out with high quality rendering/textures 1080p 60fps (I wanted 4k :'(). There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6096	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:28:00 - [20] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. Chances of me purchasing a PS4 if DUST does not go to PS4: 10% Chances of me purchasing a PS4 if DUST goes to PS4: 100% Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1531	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:29:00 - [21] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Intresting so, their this year will focus on Valk. But dust is on a holding patten before a platform switch. At least that's how this fanfest is reading When he said "platform" he was talking about "train platforms" not consoles/PC, lol. It was part of the analogy. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6096	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:30:00 - [22] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Intresting so, their this year will focus on Valk. But dust is on a holding patten before a platform switch. At least that's how this fanfest is reading Same impression I get. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 306	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:36:00 - [23] - Quote It is good to see that the tight lips on Legion is from a lesson learned. The only issue there is that the cat is already out of the bag and for a while there was some great discussion going about the games possibilities that should be allowed to continue. Obviously any statement about Legion and restarting of conversation would require an extremely concrete statement as to how Dust will be affected by Legion in the long term. Thanks for the update Kevall.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 986	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:42:00 - [24] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: In regard to the long term future of Dust 514, the game is now a train with no plans to stop, just uncertain as to what platforms it might visit on the way (his analogy). What he said earlier today in the Welcome to Fanfest as to Legion still stands, they've nothing new to report and in line with CCP's new policy and direction, that'll remain the case till they have something concrete and deliverable. He also spoke about how Legions announcement last year was premature and something that wouldn't happen now. Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Since last year's fanfest most of the dust community/player base was led to believe that the Dust development team was massively downscaled. What has the remainder of the Dust developers at Shanghai been doing? Have they been working on Legion over the last year? If so why don't they have anything to report or show "something concrete and deliverable"? Where have the Dust dev resources gone? Is Shanghai working on Valkyrie or just CCP Newcastle? If the Nemesis demo was a "spare time" thing, what are those devs doing otherwise? If Dust will continue on track as it currently is (making steady income?), why can't the dev team be expanded to develop the game further or prepare this train to visit new platforms as it were? As you can see, more questions than answers. Thanks for the update though KL. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6097	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:49:00 - [25] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: In regard to the long term future of Dust 514, the game is now a train with no plans to stop, just uncertain as to what platforms it might visit on the way (his analogy). What he said earlier today in the Welcome to Fanfest as to Legion still stands, they've nothing new to report and in line with CCP's new policy and direction, that'll remain the case till they have something concrete and deliverable. He also spoke about how Legions announcement last year was premature and something that wouldn't happen now. Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Since last year's fanfest most of the dust community/player base was led to believe that the Dust development team was massively downscaled. What has the remainder of the Dust developers at Shanghai been doing? Have they been working on Legion over the last year? If so why don't they have anything to report or show "something concrete and deliverable"? Where have the Dust dev resources gone? Is Shanghai working on Valkyrie or just CCP Newcastle? If the Nemesis demo was a "spare time" thing, what are those devs doing otherwise? If Dust will continue on track as it currently is (making steady income?), why can't the dev team be expanded to develop the game further or prepare this train to visit new platforms as it were? As you can see, more questions than answers. Thanks for the update though KL. My guess is that the rest of the DEV team in Shanghai have been experimenting with other platforms. Project Legion was focused on experimenting with DUST on the PC, but since we have not heard anything in a very long time, they could easily have another Project on the go to explore moving DUST to PS4, and just decided not to tell us until they have decided which platform they want to go with. As I understand it, assets developed for the PC can also be used on the PS4 as well, so such research would not be wasted. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 169	Posted - 2015.03.20 16:48:00 - [26] - Quote Thank you for the info. It has given me peace of mind. Amarr Victor
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 525	Posted - 2015.03.20 16:52:00 - [27] - Quote Green Living wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. I would 100% purchase a PS4 just for Dust. I actually would too believe it or not and I'd also buy a PS4 and Occulus for Valkyrie. However, both games must show real, successful development. I'm not going to buy that stuff only to have a Fanfest 2014 all over again. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 4973	Posted - 2015.03.20 16:56:00 - [28] - Quote Green Living wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. I would 100% purchase a PS4 just for Dust. I would play my ps4 more than X1 if dust was on ps4 Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 564	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:35:00 - [29] - Quote I'll buy a PS4 eventually, but if I'll upgrade my PC rig, I doubt it will see anything but Star Citizen...
Paran Tadec The Last of DusT. 2176	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:37:00 - [30] - Quote If this was on PC I would play it again. I want to be able to play it in 4k at 120 fps without everyone using aim assist. The problem with PS4 is its already outdated hardware that wont be able to handle 1080@60fps. Otherwise its logging in every few months to see if people still play. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!



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