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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2477	Posted - 2015.03.20 10:46:00 - [1] - Quote First of all I must give thanks to Athanor Ruthoern formerly of EVE University, wormhole specialist and generally all round cool lady for offering me the spare ticket they had for the CEO Charity meal. Much appreciated o7 The meal this year was different from previous years by being less informal, with Dev's and Players mingling amongst each other allowing for much greater interaction and chat with a number of Dev's. CCP Rattati and myself were both there and answering a lot of questions questions about Dust 514 from the mostly Eve players that were there. These players were mostly supportive of Dust while having some issues with a couple of things within the game. Put simply, there's a lot of Eve players that also play Dust but for whatever reason, keep it to themselves. During the evening I spoke to several Dev's including CCP Nullabor about his time on Dust 514 and how much he likes the direction its going now. And as the title of the thread says I spend some time speaking to Hilmar. Most of it was discussion about the CPM's role with CCP Shanghai, how much we talk to Rattati on a day to day basis and some of the difficulties that running a Dust corp or Alliance that Dust players have to cope with. But later, as it got quieter I took the opportunity to directly address some of the issues raised in the forums today after the first day of streaming from Fanfest and he also asked me to relay it to all as quickly as I was able. Understand now that this was an informal conversation, not an interview in anyway. In regard to the long term future of Dust 514, the game is now a train with no plans to stop, just uncertain as to what platforms it might visit on the way (his analogy). What he said earlier today in the Welcome to Fanfest as to Legion still stands, they've nothing new to report and in line with CCP's new policy and direction, that'll remain the case till they have something concrete and deliverable. He also spoke about how Legions announcement last year was premature and something that wouldn't happen now. Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Project Nemesis is a true tech demo, in the same vein as EVE-VR was two Fanfest's ago. It was created and iterated on by a a small group of guys in Shanghai, in their free time, while they worked to see what was possible using the GearVR Dev kit. So I hope that answers some of your questions guys. I'll keep you appraised of anything else I hear about on Fanfests second day. o7 CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3656	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:00:00 - [2] - Quote Intresting so, their this year will focus on Valk. But dust is on a holding patten before a platform switch. At least that's how this fanfest is reading You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
LT SHANKS You In The Nutz 5489	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:00:00 - [3] - Quote So, Legion is a no-go?
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 516	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:03:00 - [4] - Quote Dangling carrots. So they say something while saying nothing. Saying what's on people's minds
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4796	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:10:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Haerr Nos Nothi 2564	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:13:00 - [6] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to ~~PS4~~ PC. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase ~~PS4s~~ PCs for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to ~~PS4~~ PC that would play Dust on the ~~PS4~~ PC if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. FTFY
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2286	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:16:00 - [7] - Quote I look forward to seeing the forums find a way to complain about this. This is good news, though. If Hilmar is very pleased with how Dust is currently then that bodes well for its future. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 552	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:25:00 - [8] - Quote I think it's better of them to say nothing, if nothing is ready to be anounced. On the other hand, I'd like to see CCP communicating with the players about what players want from a future iteration/version of DUST. May it be on PC or console. Just collecting ideas, and at the same time trying to figure out what the EVE guys are willing to let influence their game. I think economic connection will probably be easier to make than a real time connection, that influences in the fights... (like a skyfire battery).
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 524	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:34:00 - [9] - Quote Deliverable. New policy. That right there should be CCP's new slogan. That is the one response that has any promise for this company. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4799	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:48:00 - [10] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: So, Legion is a no-go? At this point that seems more than clear. As a community we need to refocus and redouble our efforts to ensure that Dust 514 lives beyond the PS3. A community uproar made CCP take Valkyrie from a project to a full production. We need to similarly ensure that our voices are heard that we won't Dust to live beyond the PS3. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

Foundation Seldon Demonite's Legion 908	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:50:00 - [11] - Quote I actually appreciate that they're not willing to go into detail about Legion for as long as they don't really have anything solid in order to present. It does raise questions about what the majority of the Shanghai team is actually working on though, especially with knowing how that there still aren't a ton of internal resources being dedicated to Dust and how the Nemesis group was just another small segment of the team working on a tech demo. If Dust was truly their focus then I can't imagine why we haven't gotten anything more substantial in terms of new art assets for the eventual new heavy weapons or why we'd be talking about incorporating color swaps to represent the eventual Minmatar and Amarr tanks.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 554	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:57:00 - [12] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: I actually appreciate that they're not willing to go into detail about Legion for as long as they don't really have anything solid in order to present. It does raise questions about what the majority of the Shanghai team is actually working on though, especially with knowing how that there still aren't a ton of internal resources being dedicated to Dust and how the Nemesis group was just another small segment of the team working on a tech demo. If Dust was truly their focus then I can't imagine why we haven't gotten anything more substantial in terms of new art assets for the eventual new heavy weapons or why we'd be talking about incorporating color swaps to represent the eventual Minmatar and Amarr tanks. There is an easy explanation for that, if they work on a PC/next gen version of Dust, they can easyly use the resources. Since PC and PS4 have the same architecture, it's possible to convert the game we have now without commiting to one or the other platform. The other explanation would be that the CCP china guys just work on EVE stuff as well.
Green Living Gallente Gay Swag Club 1451	Posted - 2015.03.20 12:39:00 - [13] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. I would 100% purchase a PS4 just for Dust.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4337	Posted - 2015.03.20 13:39:00 - [14] - Quote So DUST is a runaway train heading in no particular direction with no future ahead of it while Legion is currently a new train being built proberly in that awful train map i keep getting all the time but also has no forseeable future ahead of it either. So nothing changes. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2089	Posted - 2015.03.20 13:53:00 - [15] - Quote Thanks for the info Kevall! From what I've heard everyone had a really good time, and I'm glad to hear all the chatter about Dust. Unleash the BIMBOBOT!
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2799	Posted - 2015.03.20 14:39:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks for doing this. What I don't get is why the guys doing Project Nemesis aren't working on DUST 514 after hours instead. I can't help but think we'd have racial parity if they weren't screwing around with this crap. It's not like things are going perfectly and they have all of this free time to want to clown around with a VR version of asteroids. It's such a stupid waste. Best PvE idea ever!
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy 754	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:06:00 - [17] - Quote Imagine if he realized Legion was to early last year. If they just showed us all they were working on for both Legion and Dust and called it the future of Dust, and then said Dust development was to be slowed for more focus on Valkyrie. imagine where dust would be right now. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 1005	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:16:00 - [18] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Dangling carrots. So they say something while saying nothing. This. It's maddeningly vague what he says. No plans to stop but he has no idea where they are going... sounds like more life support. Interesting that in all these conversations, there is no mention of CCP Rouge. What exactly is his role in all of this now?
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 687	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:26:00 - [19] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Imagine if he realized Legion was to early last year. If they just showed us all they were working on for both Legion and Dust and called it the future of Dust, and then said Dust development was to be slowed for more focus on Valkyrie. imagine where dust would be right now. You liked it running at 12fps 720p, check it out with high quality rendering/textures 1080p 60fps (I wanted 4k :'(). There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6096	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:28:00 - [20] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. Chances of me purchasing a PS4 if DUST does not go to PS4: 10% Chances of me purchasing a PS4 if DUST goes to PS4: 100% Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1531	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:29:00 - [21] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Intresting so, their this year will focus on Valk. But dust is on a holding patten before a platform switch. At least that's how this fanfest is reading When he said "platform" he was talking about "train platforms" not consoles/PC, lol. It was part of the analogy. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6096	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:30:00 - [22] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Intresting so, their this year will focus on Valk. But dust is on a holding patten before a platform switch. At least that's how this fanfest is reading Same impression I get. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 306	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:36:00 - [23] - Quote It is good to see that the tight lips on Legion is from a lesson learned. The only issue there is that the cat is already out of the bag and for a while there was some great discussion going about the games possibilities that should be allowed to continue. Obviously any statement about Legion and restarting of conversation would require an extremely concrete statement as to how Dust will be affected by Legion in the long term. Thanks for the update Kevall.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 986	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:42:00 - [24] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: In regard to the long term future of Dust 514, the game is now a train with no plans to stop, just uncertain as to what platforms it might visit on the way (his analogy). What he said earlier today in the Welcome to Fanfest as to Legion still stands, they've nothing new to report and in line with CCP's new policy and direction, that'll remain the case till they have something concrete and deliverable. He also spoke about how Legions announcement last year was premature and something that wouldn't happen now. Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Since last year's fanfest most of the dust community/player base was led to believe that the Dust development team was massively downscaled. What has the remainder of the Dust developers at Shanghai been doing? Have they been working on Legion over the last year? If so why don't they have anything to report or show "something concrete and deliverable"? Where have the Dust dev resources gone? Is Shanghai working on Valkyrie or just CCP Newcastle? If the Nemesis demo was a "spare time" thing, what are those devs doing otherwise? If Dust will continue on track as it currently is (making steady income?), why can't the dev team be expanded to develop the game further or prepare this train to visit new platforms as it were? As you can see, more questions than answers. Thanks for the update though KL. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6097	Posted - 2015.03.20 15:49:00 - [25] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: In regard to the long term future of Dust 514, the game is now a train with no plans to stop, just uncertain as to what platforms it might visit on the way (his analogy). What he said earlier today in the Welcome to Fanfest as to Legion still stands, they've nothing new to report and in line with CCP's new policy and direction, that'll remain the case till they have something concrete and deliverable. He also spoke about how Legions announcement last year was premature and something that wouldn't happen now. Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Since last year's fanfest most of the dust community/player base was led to believe that the Dust development team was massively downscaled. What has the remainder of the Dust developers at Shanghai been doing? Have they been working on Legion over the last year? If so why don't they have anything to report or show "something concrete and deliverable"? Where have the Dust dev resources gone? Is Shanghai working on Valkyrie or just CCP Newcastle? If the Nemesis demo was a "spare time" thing, what are those devs doing otherwise? If Dust will continue on track as it currently is (making steady income?), why can't the dev team be expanded to develop the game further or prepare this train to visit new platforms as it were? As you can see, more questions than answers. Thanks for the update though KL. My guess is that the rest of the DEV team in Shanghai have been experimenting with other platforms. Project Legion was focused on experimenting with DUST on the PC, but since we have not heard anything in a very long time, they could easily have another Project on the go to explore moving DUST to PS4, and just decided not to tell us until they have decided which platform they want to go with. As I understand it, assets developed for the PC can also be used on the PS4 as well, so such research would not be wasted. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 169	Posted - 2015.03.20 16:48:00 - [26] - Quote Thank you for the info. It has given me peace of mind. Amarr Victor
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 525	Posted - 2015.03.20 16:52:00 - [27] - Quote Green Living wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. I would 100% purchase a PS4 just for Dust. I actually would too believe it or not and I'd also buy a PS4 and Occulus for Valkyrie. However, both games must show real, successful development. I'm not going to buy that stuff only to have a Fanfest 2014 all over again. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 4973	Posted - 2015.03.20 16:56:00 - [28] - Quote Green Living wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. I would 100% purchase a PS4 just for Dust. I would play my ps4 more than X1 if dust was on ps4 Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 564	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:35:00 - [29] - Quote I'll buy a PS4 eventually, but if I'll upgrade my PC rig, I doubt it will see anything but Star Citizen...
Paran Tadec The Last of DusT. 2176	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:37:00 - [30] - Quote If this was on PC I would play it again. I want to be able to play it in 4k at 120 fps without everyone using aim assist. The problem with PS4 is its already outdated hardware that wont be able to handle 1080@60fps. Otherwise its logging in every few months to see if people still play. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 941	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:41:00 - [31] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: So, Legion is a no-go? I think Legion is just R&D for where "Dust514 type gameplay" might go... Doesn't seem like it will be spawning into it's own game any time soon, but hopefully the ideas will grow into something interesting, even if it just ends up being added to Dust.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1910	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:55:00 - [32] - Quote Honestly, at this point, I'd like for Dust to just go ahead and move onto the PS4. I heard there could be some trouble with the software or something, far as moving it over to the PS4's infrastructure but shrugs we only have so many options right now as the PS3 starts to slow down into it's eternal sleep. Really, if I could offer my plan. You'd take the energy and ideas and potential of Legion and throw it onto the PS4 (and Xbox One?) version of Dust 514. From what we've seen in the video, it's not that damn much of a difference for the players. Maybe after you get Dust to the PS4, you create Legion as the PC version of Dust and transfer it to the XBox One as well(because the XBox's infrastructure is pretty close to a PC, the last I heard). "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2499	Posted - 2015.03.20 18:28:00 - [33] - Quote So what the CPM has known and hinted about in various channels, Dust 514 now makes money, is now out in the open and made official by Hilmar himself. How is this is important? Dust is now a successful business. It's going to be rather silly for CCP to shut a revenue stream is it not? As CCP Falcon said to a Fanfest attendee when he stated that he thought Dust was dead, in every chart that matters, profit, player numbers and retention Dust is going up. That isn't to say that we should dancing in the streets just yet but Aurum purchase made by players, simply strengthens the case for Dust to go beyond the PS3. To make that point further CCP Rouge has also spoken more on Dusts future here. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2932	Posted - 2015.03.20 19:05:00 - [34] - Quote From what I can tell there's a schism in this community. On the one hand, the current PS3 die-hard Consolites want a PS4 port, while the EVE players + M/KB DUST players would prefer a PC port, both for obvious reasons. The question then becomes what is more economically feasible from a business standpoint for CCP. Porting DUST wouldn't simply be a copy and paste job. And even if they did port it to PS4, the entire game would surely have to be remade. Sure some assets could be transferred over, but the PS4 architecture is vastly different from the PS3, and it's very likely large parts of the game would have to be redesigned from the ground up. Is this worth it? That's really what CCP is trying to decide. They could either spend huge amounts of resources in development, or continue to ride the PS3 DUST train for another year or two in order to gain more experience and learn more about what works and what doesn't. I think that's why CCP is so hesitant to announce anything. After last years disaster, they're incredibly hesitant to plunge head-first into something new after they've finally established ground that's working for them. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
ZDub 303 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 3392	Posted - 2015.03.20 19:22:00 - [35] - Quote So the premature announcement for Legion was a mistake... fine. But the solution is to own up to that mistake and keep their loyal fanbase somewhat updated. Not just close the doors and say, we'll talk in a few more years when I have something. Worst mistake they could have made after FF2014. They've already opened the door with the FF2014 announcement. They should just keep it open instead of close it in our faces. It's like they hate their playerbase....
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3474	Posted - 2015.03.20 19:30:00 - [36] - Quote I want to thank Dennie, EVE Uni, and DUST Uni for making the two games that CCP has a better place. DUST and EVE are very user unfriendly. Those are two organizations that help out so very, very much. Specifically to Dennie: his passion for the game is obvious and his dedication to the community existed before being a CPM member. However, I cannot take solace in these words. Of course the CEO of CCP is going to say they are happy with his employees and the game. He kind of has to. Hell, the only time I have ever seen a developer just go "yeah, we REALLY screwed up" was Diablo III. His choice of words about "trains and platforms" is quite misguided in that it is easy to read into something that clearly wasn't intended; this was a conversation between some people at dinner, not an interview or prepared statement where Hilmar would be on his guard not to slip on anything that might lead people into looking somewhere that wasn't so. It is still scary in the regard of "yeah, DUST is going but we don't know where it will go." I cannot think of a scarier thing than to have a game company just kind of say "we don't know what is going on" with their product. Yes, that is a little bit far too say but "we don't know what platform the train is going to go" is terrifying when it is the person that owns the train stating it. Yeah, Legion was probably announced too early but how about telling us "yes, we are making it; it will be a while" rather than this coy "yes, maybe, wink" stuff. However, if Legion had not been announced, what would we have had to look forward to in one year? Higher tier tanks are back. Myofibril change. Bandwidth. And lots and lots of ways to monetize the game, with one being quite literally "pay for power." But here is the thing: Legion was announced. CCP admitted "we cannot do DUST 514, as we wanted, on the PS3." So once hope is dead, what do we have left? I like this game and I love what it could be but it is getting really hard to not just feel like we are continuously getting kicked in the balls. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 520	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:09:00 - [37] - Quote So the heavy monetization is okay with guys? I'm honestly a little perturbed by the bland style of development, while the new stuff is heavy handed behind a paywall. To me, that's a major concern no one is addressing. I guess dudes are cool with that. The core gameplay is still bad. The mechanics still feel off. But that's ignored due to the playerbase's playtime that has long since adjusted to it. I can't be the only one who sees this. Again, I feel its a dangling of carrots so the consumer can feel safe making an exchange with real world currency for AUR. Now they discussing another project? Dude, I feel like I'm being strung along here. Saying what's on people's minds
Aeon Amadi Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 9280	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:12:00 - [38] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: So, Legion is a no-go? At this point that seems more than clear. As a community we need to refocus and redouble our efforts to ensure that Dust 514 lives beyond the PS3. A community uproar made CCP take Valkyrie from a project to a full production. We need to similarly ensure that our voices are heard that we want Dust to live beyond the PS3. Why bother? They're making money off of us now. They have no reason to do anything differently. CCP doesn't do new. They do revamps, overhauls, and re-iterations. Nothing has ever changed about that, nothing ever will. Eve Online over the past several freaggin years has been nothing but glossing over all the old stuff to make it work with a handful of actual new content here and there. Dust 514? No different. We're going to be trapped in this same hell and the only difference between Dust 514 and Eve Online is that you can't buff up Dust 514 to modern hardware standards - it's stuck right where it is. I for one am 100% angry. If they want to actually do Dust 514 right, quit screwing around and -DO IT RIGHT-. Put the entire dev team back on task and quit screwing around with side projects that have no context, meaning, and will never see the light of day. If you're going to say that you're going to fix Dust 514, don't put CCP Rattati to it and then take credit for his work - actually put some effort into it as a -game development studio-. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 1082	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:21:00 - [39] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: We're going to be trapped in this same hell and the only difference between Dust 514 and Eve Online is that you can't buff up Dust 514 to modern hardware standards - it's stuck right where it is. I for one am 100% angry. If they want to actually do Dust 514 right, quit screwing around and -DO IT RIGHT-. Between Fanfest 2013 and Fanfest 2015, which of these did you find a better way of approaching Dust development?
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8689	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:31:00 - [40] - Quote Thanks for the info, and being our advocate in our absence. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1026	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:03:00 - [41] - Quote my ps4 is covered in dust waiting for dust 514. Ive seriously havent played that thing in like three weeks. framerate>everything else
TEBOW BAGGINS 1710	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:08:00 - [42] - Quote I like how their choosing to remain silent about future features. They've obviously learned their lesson from the past to not pump us full of conceptual ideas that we do not forget as easily as they do.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2572	Posted - 2015.03.21 05:23:00 - [43] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to PS4. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase PS4s for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to PS4 that would play Dust on the PS4 if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. Chances of me purchasing a PS4 if DUST does not go to PS4: 10% Chances of me purchasing a PS4 if DUST goes to PS4: 100% ^ PSN: RationalSpark
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 424	Posted - 2015.03.21 07:12:00 - [44] - Quote A dev and a cheater walk into a bar... Molestia approved
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4846	Posted - 2015.03.21 10:35:00 - [45] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: I like how their choosing to remain silent about future features. They've obviously learned their lesson from the past to not pump us full of conceptual ideas that we do not forget as easily as they do. True, but you don't have to talk about features when you discuss a commitment to make a game last beyond current gen. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 103	Posted - 2015.03.21 11:11:00 - [46] - Quote Haerr wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Thanks for the update Dennie. If you get the chance again please impress upon Hilmar that there is a community ready and waiting to follow this game to ~~PS4~~ PC. Just as Eve players bought PS3s to play Dust I'm confident those same folks (potentially grumbling along the way) would purchase ~~PS4s~~ PCs for Dust 514 on that platform. I know many many old school Dust players that have moved on to ~~PS4~~ PC that would play Dust on the ~~PS4~~ PC if it came to that platform. Let's keep the train rolling and not give any excuse to halt it in it's tracks. FTFY Would be nice if I could avoid buying a ps4 just for one game. The majority of the games I want to play I already have on PC. Besides PC is much more efficient than a Ps4. Not trying to bash here this is merely my opinion. But if dust does go to ps4 then I might actually buy it How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2572	Posted - 2015.03.21 11:38:00 - [47] - Quote Thinking about it a bit more, though the temptation would be to run out and buy a PS4, i'd honestly wait a bit if a port happened - long enough to get a solid reading from the forums to see if the mechanics and glitches/bugs had been fixed. Also would be looking for a couple of things that are obviously at the top of Rattati's priority list: the AUR store and new player retention. AUR The current form of the extortionistic AUR store is acceptable as a stop-gap measure to save Dust, but only as that - making money off of new players by amplifying the power gap between them and vets/tryhards is a long-term losing strategy imo(and i'm one of the most hardcore anti-tiericide vets in the game). These kind of RMT tactics are always highlighted and pointed out in game reviews and players/press are already wary about Dust given all the things. Retention Keeping new players is a lot like making money, there are cheezy, tasteless ways to do this that would generally involve dumbing the game down and would involve a string of anti-NewEden decisions. The hard road would be to resist the accessible amusement park route and instead celebrate & create 'New Eden on the ground'. It would mean fixing what was wrong with the mechanics and systems of DUST as the first order of business. Rattati's survey results re: feeling of lack of progression being a primary factor in early quitting no doubt are part of the answer, but for the peeps who stick around longer core mechanics soon rears it's ugly head - this isn't speculation or opinion, metacritic is rife with criticism re: Dust's core fps mechanics. Rattati talks like fps will be the cure for this but i'm not convinced, the vets would have sign off on the PS4 product for me. That's the next big question for our development: can Rat grow the playerbase without cheezing it? He certainly cheezed the AUR store but we were in a desperate position at that point. Now that he's demonstrated profitability, we will see what value Rattati/Rouge/CCP put on game quality and integrity/fidelity to New Eden. A PS4 port would be a natural point to stop and assess the time one has invested in DUST. If the peeps whose opinions i trusted were saying that it was the same old kittenpoop on a new platform then i'd be forced to admit that i'd been succumbing to the Sunk Cost Fallacy. And that would suck, bigtime. PSN: RationalSpark
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 47	Posted - 2015.03.21 13:13:00 - [48] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Anyone who is very pleased with how Dust plays right now shouldn't be involved in making an FPS. They spent the last year figuring out how to monetize Dust, which is great, but they didn't reinvest that money into making Dust not ****, which is infuriating. So glad I adopted the no money for dust policy, as clearly CCP doesn't have any real long term plans for the franchise other than tapping out the mouth breathers foolish enough to still be giving them cash. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 8650	Posted - 2015.03.21 13:16:00 - [49] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: I like how their choosing to remain silent about future features. They've obviously learned their lesson from the past to not pump us full of conceptual ideas that we do not forget as easily as they do. True, but you don't have to talk about features when you discuss a commitment to make a game last beyond current gen. In lieu of discussing future features they should then discuss the potential for Eve: Legion and a subsequent PS4 port. Since CCP is doing neither we can surmise they have no idea what they want to do with Dust 514 beyond have it keep funding Eve: Valkyrie and Project Nemesis development. 4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 310	Posted - 2015.03.21 13:23:00 - [50] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Rattati and the Shanghai team have been doing a phenomenal job on Dust and he's very pleased with how the game plays now. Anyone who is very pleased with how Dust plays right now shouldn't be involved in making an FPS. They spent the last year figuring out how to monetize Dust, which is great, but they didn't reinvest that money into making Dust not ****, which is infuriating. So glad I adopted the no money for dust policy, as clearly CCP doesn't have any real long term plans for the franchise other than tapping out the mouth breathers foolish enough to still be giving them cash. I agree. This makes two fanfests in a row that have sent me back to not wanting to spend money on this game. Just last week I was ready to spend a few hundred K aurum on keys to show a bit of support for the game. After fanfest and seeing that they seem fairly happy with this mediocre rate of growth and pile of issues I am feeling less supportive. How long can they continue to bounce numbers around on the server and repaint suits before we all get bored?

Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 190	Posted - 2015.03.21 15:02:00 - [51] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Kain Spero wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: I like how their choosing to remain silent about future features. They've obviously learned their lesson from the past to not pump us full of conceptual ideas that we do not forget as easily as they do. True, but you don't have to talk about features when you discuss a commitment to make a game last beyond current gen. In lieu of discussing future features they should then discuss the potential for Eve: Legion and a subsequent PS4 port. Since CCP is doing neither we can surmise they have no idea what they want to do with Dust 514 beyond have it keep funding Eve: Valkyrie and Project Nemesis development. I doubt its making enough money to fund projects. Profitability means keeping Dust up could cost 500k, but revenue is 600k, therefore Dust made 100k. CCP layoff a bunch of people last year and many left too. With not many people working on Dust and no serious development it probably is making profit, but not enough to be funding anything by itself. Fanfest didn't bring any new news for dust development; nearly everything they talked about has been talked about for a few months. It seems they are remaining the status quo.


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