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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:02:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how.
I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit.
We have no idea because they are being secretive punks. Software projects don't usually benefit from simply throwing a bunch of devs onto the project. They will not have the slights clue where to jump in and start coding because it takes a long time to bring them in on the project. I would like to know if that video from Legion was a PS3 emulation or a proper x86 PC build.
We as a community can't even decide what we want legion to be (And I think we have every right to have input on the project's direction, As of now we are the only potential customers for this projects product) because they wont communicate with us
I have to wonder what your point was about throwing devs at the project, currently the dev team for dust IS THE EXACT SAME DEV TEAM working on legion. their is no throwing new workers at teh problem, its a matter of getting the team to shift their priority to legion and spend less time on dust. what would the community think of this?
The build during the video was 100% on PC with assets taken from dust 514 and polished/updated for PC
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Michael Epic
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:03:00 -
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Honestly dude, who gives a damn?
I mean seriously....I'm so over this talk about Legion. Legion is not here. It might not ever be here and honestly I could really give a damn less.
Lets say Legion showed up one day....heck yeah, that would be awesome. I'd play it!
BUT (BIG BUT)
Dust 514 is getting better, its turning profit for CCP and there is new stuff on the way! A new game mode...even a spin on an old game mode, I don't care that's still awesome!
Possibly some sort of PVE? Okay! Sweet! Lets do it!
Remove head from bottom food disposal cavity and quit worrying about Legion. We have this game to play. This is the game today. Worry about the future in the future.
If Sony said "Hey, in 6 months PS3 will go offline forever" and there is no talk of Legion or future announced for Dust, then be worried about it.
Until then, tap square and go kill someone!
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:05:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:I have to disagree with you on your point concerning the PS4, Exactly how is it allready outdated? if legion were ported to PS4 it would be capable of handling allmost all of the same functionality as the PC version with potentially slightly worse graphics compared to PC.
The PS4 is one of the first consoles where cross-platform connections between it and PC are far easier to create then previous generations. the PS4 is literally a PC with fixed hardware. The PS4 is over 2 years old. It was outdated when it was released. A "Next gen console" not able to get a steady 1080p@60? Still no AA on consoles? It is outdated. And it won't get a magic performance boost. There is no reason to bring a game which evolves like Eve games on a console. If they bring it on PS4 now they will very soon encounter the same problem like they did with Dust. And Sony has to approve every patch. That's why it takes forever for new patches to be released.
All true and it makes me wonder what they were thinking when they put dust on PS3 in the first place but it's on it now.
I still think a PS4 port is in order, I'd be playing it on the PC if they both came out but it's not fair to a large chunk of the community to leave them behind. You have to consider everyone one of your fellow dust merc's
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:08:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be? How can you say that? CCP introduced it as the replacement for dust 514 last year. It shares content and gameplay with dust but also includes PVE missions. I just don't see the point in everyone ignoring the elephant in the room. dust is slowly dying and if the idea of what dust was suppose to be can continue threw legion then lets push for it. EDIT: O and if legion isn't suppose to have gameplay like dust then maybe it should and they should market it as the replacement for dust. this game can't survive on an outdated console I believe the specific wording was "inspired" by Dust 514 (and to a larger extend the eve universe).
The game they want to make is for us, WE should be able to decide what it is and I think eeryone interested want to see the idea of DUST continue. the ideas showin in the video have been considered by the devs as thing we'd want to see in DUST. I see no reason it can't be a DUST 514 game with more content and PVE features grounding it further into the EVE universe.
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Avallo Kantor
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:09:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Honestly dude, who gives a damn?
I mean seriously....I'm so over this talk about Legion. Legion is not here. It might not ever be here and honestly I could really give a damn less.
Lets say Legion showed up one day....heck yeah, that would be awesome. I'd play it!
BUT (BIG BUT)
Dust 514 is getting better, its turning profit for CCP and there is new stuff on the way! A new game mode...even a spin on an old game mode, I don't care that's still awesome!
Possibly some sort of PVE? Okay! Sweet! Lets do it!
Remove head from bottom food disposal cavity and quit worrying about Legion. We have this game to play. This is the game today. Worry about the future in the future.
If Sony said "Hey, in 6 months PS3 will go offline forever" and there is no talk of Legion or future announced for Dust, then be worried about it.
Until then, tap square and go kill someone!
Agreed.
CCP since Incarna for EVE, and since Rogue Wedding for DUST has stopped talking about features until they are done. They likely are going to remain tight lipped on LEGION, if it is being worked on, until it is about 6 months from going out the door. There won't be much of a "beta" for the game, because a lot of that balancing is being done here, while they work on making this experience better. Also they know once they release any sort of LEGION beta, that this game's population will flatline.
The game is fun right now. I enjoy it, and I'm more than content that we got at least what news we did, especially since I was expecting nothing.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:12:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:
Limitation of console is honestly b*shate There is more advanced games on ps3 Stop with this nonsensical fairytale already
Take a look on Battlefield, Mirrors Edge, MAG Battlefield with destroyable engine, Mirrors Edge with sharp graphics and flow structure of moving and MAG for REAL MASSIVE ACTION
Do any of the games you just listed connect with and directly interact with a MMO on PC???? no, Dust doesn't even do that well
THAT is the limitation of the console in relation to dust. I'm not considering graphics or destructible terrain because the reason graphics are aweful in dust is due to the late screwed up port to unreal engine 3, they built everything on their carbon engine, THAT is why the graphics look bad
As for destructible terrain its not a feature, it doesn't fit in the game well. that's why its not in dust.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:13:00 -
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? EDIT: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. some features might not make it over to console due to limitations but if we show there are enough of us loyal fans still around they would probably consider it. EDIT II: Perhaps the first option seems a little bias but I could not figure out another way of praising it, We as a community have to accept that dust 514 is now on the previous gen of consoles, sony will cease manufacturing new ps3's by the end of 2015. while the game may still be supported by CCP the console and hareware are stuck in the past Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746 i say both as long as general concept stays like dust
Thanks for the feedback, be sure to do the strawpoll if your interested
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:19:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Legion was a kick in every console Dustys crotch region.
So I'd rather they give Dust514 on PS4 a new name.
If Legion or whatever it's called goes to PC, I'll happily upgrade my rig and play Star Citizen on it.
In my opinion dust should never have been put on console to begine with but here we are. the game has allway's been held back because of this but CCP can't hurt their fans by fixing the problem with a PC game. what are they to do?
The link to eve (eve players shooting at planets, doing contracts for eve corps, planetary conquest, raiding ships) All those good features that put dust right in the middle of the eve universe WONT happen on console. there's no way to network it well without lists of issues arising.
Do we want dust as what it is now or do we want the experience we were promised in the trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:23:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Honestly dude, who gives a damn?
I mean seriously....I'm so over this talk about Legion. Legion is not here. It might not ever be here and honestly I could really give a damn less.
Lets say Legion showed up one day....heck yeah, that would be awesome. I'd play it!
BUT (BIG BUT)
Dust 514 is getting better, its turning profit for CCP and there is new stuff on the way! A new game mode...even a spin on an old game mode, I don't care that's still awesome!
Possibly some sort of PVE? Okay! Sweet! Lets do it!
Remove head from bottom food disposal cavity and quit worrying about Legion. We have this game to play. This is the game today. Worry about the future in the future.
If Sony said "Hey, in 6 months PS3 will go offline forever" and there is no talk of Legion or future announced for Dust, then be worried about it.
Until then, tap square and go kill someone!
Dust 514 is getting better? that's subjective and how much more can they cram onto the console?? PS3's are being discontinued this year as it is.
Maybe its a bold statement to make but I have yet to meet dust players who are actually happy with this game?? they play it but as a disgruntled customer waiting for improvment's so its the actual product as it was advertised
The point I was just making is does the playerbase want the upgraded experience now or later. the strawpoll as it stands now is 7 votes for legion quickly and 4 votes against. would be nice to see more votes on it tho
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:28:00 -
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**** Legion |
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:29:00 -
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I think they should rename frontline suits, legion suits so we can **** all over them |
Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:10:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:**** Legion
Why do you have hatred for legion?? just wondering
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:18:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:**** Legion Why do you have hatred for legion?? just wondering
Because it was a horribly stupid announcement that nearly killed my favorite game. |
Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:26:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:**** Legion Why do you have hatred for legion?? just wondering Because it was a horribly stupid announcement that nearly killed my favorite game.
I agree with you there, the announcement and presentation of at fanfest was an extremely stupid move.
That being said what's done is done and I would really like to see them take the idea's they introduced in legion, slap the content and gameplay modes from dust onto it and release it out on the PC so we finally have the game dust was suppose to be, a stable, highly polished first person shooter linked intricately to the eve universe.
If dust continues on console we may get a nice first person shooter based lore wise on eve but it will never be linked to the MMO in any realistic manor. the content will allway's have slow updates and with the lack of connection to EVE CCP will not give it the well time it deserves.
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PLAYSTTION
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:55:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how.
I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit.
We have no idea because they are being secretive punks. Software projects don't usually benefit from simply throwing a bunch of devs onto the project. They will not have the slights clue where to jump in and start coding because it takes a long time to bring them in on the project. I would like to know if that video from Legion was a PS3 emulation or a proper x86 PC build. I know, we have to trust them but can't, alas, *sigh*
I think Eve Valkyrie will trip and die like dust did. Over Hyping, slow development and more will make it die alongside Dust.
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:58:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Luk Manag wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how.
I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit.
We have no idea because they are being secretive punks. Software projects don't usually benefit from simply throwing a bunch of devs onto the project. They will not have the slights clue where to jump in and start coding because it takes a long time to bring them in on the project. I would like to know if that video from Legion was a PS3 emulation or a proper x86 PC build. I know, we have to trust them but can't, alas, *sigh* I think Eve Valkyrie will trip and die like dust did. Over Hyping, slow development and more will make it die alongside Dust. Lol you don't even know if valk will die
You know its coming out pc and ps4 thats two playerbases
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.03.21 04:05:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:**** Legion Why do you have hatred for legion?? just wondering Because it was a horribly stupid announcement that nearly killed my favorite game. I agree with you there, the announcement and presentation of at fanfest was an extremely stupid move. That being said what's done is done and I would really like to see them take the idea's they introduced in legion, slap the content and gameplay modes from dust onto it and release it out on the PC so we finally have the game dust was suppose to be, a stable, highly polished first person shooter linked intricately to the eve universe. If dust continues on console we may get a nice first person shooter based lore wise on eve but it will never be linked to the MMO in any realistic manor. the content will allway's have slow updates and with the lack of connection to EVE CCP will not give it the well time it deserves. EDIT: Just to see where I'm coming from with this, I play dust not for the gameplay, its only slightly different then your standard FPS, I play because of the lore, for the univese, for the idea of dust. A game linked up to and directly effecting the activities in EVE. If CCP pull threw on there ideas we might actually see 3 separate genre games all interacting and affecting each other experience. Imagine dust battles to conquer planetary regions backed up by EVE ships in orbit, image dust players influencing a space battle by winning a match based around a planetary defence cannon and having it take a few shots at an EVE ship. Dust corps fighting to capture titan wrecks to ransom them back to their eve players. EvE battles being supported by valkyrie players, valkyrie players taking missions down to planets to give air support to dust corps. The possibilities of these connections are immense, CCP just needs the architecture to make links like this possible, and the truth is that they just cant do it on Console, especially the PS3.
I have a nice gaming rig for PC (I use it for CAD, never been a PC gamer) so I'm set if it comes out on PC. I'd have to buy a PS4.
My reasoning for Dust to PS4 is simply because I think it's a better business decision for CCP.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.21 10:45:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Luk Manag wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how.
I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit.
We have no idea because they are being secretive punks. Software projects don't usually benefit from simply throwing a bunch of devs onto the project. They will not have the slights clue where to jump in and start coding because it takes a long time to bring them in on the project. I would like to know if that video from Legion was a PS3 emulation or a proper x86 PC build. I know, we have to trust them but can't, alas, *sigh* I think Eve Valkyrie will trip and die like dust did. Over Hyping, slow development and more will make it die alongside Dust. Lol you don't even know if valk will die You know its coming out pc and ps4 thats two playerbases Big fat paychecks too
He has a point tho, CCP have two competitors for Valkyrie.
If eve and dust development speed is anything to go by both Elite dangerous and Star Citizen will be patching their games with content and updates 4 times faster then Valkyrie. it could well die after the first few months just like dust did.
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.21 10:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
My reasoning for Dust to PS4 is simply because I think it's a better business decision for CCP.
Just wondering, how? PS4 will lead to the same content block PS3 did, slow patches and complete lack of real time connection to the eve MMO. It would be dust but with slightly better graphics, stability and match sizes. but still not the dust game shown in the trailer.
isn't its biggest selling point its connection to EVE? don't we WANT to have a deep connection and interaction with the playerbase of EVE. Wouldn't it even inhance the EVE experence thus boosting the attraction of BOTH games?
sounds like PC would be a smarter business decision now doesn't it?
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Kain Spero
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Posted - 2015.03.21 10:58:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? EDIT I: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. some features might not make it over to console due to limitations but if we show there are enough of us loyal fans still around they would probably consider it. EDIT II: Perhaps the first option seems a little bias but I could not figure out another way of praising it, We as a community have to accept that dust 514 is now on the previous gen of consoles, sony will cease manufacturing new ps3's by the end of 2015. while the game may still be supported by CCP the console and hareware are stuck in the past Edit III: Please Vote on the strawpoll if you can, I'd really like to see all of your opinions Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746
I'm sorry but this is a false choice that buys into the BS that Legion and Dust are separate entities.
Legion is dead. You guys want an FPS in New Eden? Focus on Dust and getting it beyond the PS3.
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:06:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? EDIT I: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. some features might not make it over to console due to limitations but if we show there are enough of us loyal fans still around they would probably consider it. EDIT II: Perhaps the first option seems a little bias but I could not figure out another way of praising it, We as a community have to accept that dust 514 is now on the previous gen of consoles, sony will cease manufacturing new ps3's by the end of 2015. while the game may still be supported by CCP the console and hareware are stuck in the past Edit III: Please Vote on the strawpoll if you can, I'd really like to see all of your opinions Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746 I'm sorry but this is a false choice that buys into the BS that Legion and Dust are separate entities. Legion as project is dead and/or in dev hell. You guys want an FPS in New Eden? Focus on Dust and getting it beyond the PS3.
I don't see the difference between Legion or dust
Legion is just dust for PC with the features we've been looking for. which will eventually see a limited port to PS4.
I'd like to see dust on a more updated platform that will make it last. for me thats legion.
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:45:00 -
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Poll data is useless due to sampling error. :(
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:49:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:Poll data is useless due to sampling error. :(
yep. haha I like you, your fun
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Posted - 2015.03.21 12:08:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Given the option would you rather
1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background?
2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? What I'd really like them to do is
- port Dust 514 as it is to PS4,
- give it higher display/texture resolutions (possibly less frame rate drops),
- make it cross-play with the PS3 client (which is technically possible),
- keep adding features until we hit a brickwall with the PS3 client,
- then phase out the PS3 client,
- and start adding features that you really couldn't have done with the PS3's hardware.
This would give us an immediate and long term future for 'Mercs On The Ground'Gäó, the entire team could work on the same product, noone gets left behind (for now).
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.21 13:57:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Given the option would you rather
1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background?
2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? What I'd really like them to do is
- port Dust 514 as it is to PS4,
- give it higher display/texture resolutions (possibly less frame rate drops),
- make it cross-play with the PS3 client (which is technically possible),
- keep adding features until we hit a brickwall with the PS3 client,
- then phase out the PS3 client,
- and start adding features that you really couldn't have done with the PS3's hardware.
This would give us an immediate and long term future for ' Mercs On The Ground'Gäó, the entire team could work on the same product, noone gets left behind (for now).
Porting dust as it is to PS4 is difficult, PS3 and PS4 are very different architecturally. PS4 is allmost a fixed hardware PC. It would allmost be easier to build a fresh game for PC and port it to PS4 which is why legion is a concept to begin with.
though it may be technically possible cross-play raises the problem of players playing PS3 losing games to PS4 players due to a more stable system with (possibly) better control system.
"keep adding features until we hit a brickwall with the PS3 client" perfect. They should be keeping this in mind all the time.
the large scale system "LINK" between dust and eve are allready features that can't work due to PS3 limitations. to me this link is the main selling point of dust and the reason I started playing to begin with, its a pity the initial idea of dust can't be realised.
I would prefer to see this game on PC but I don't want to see this community torn apart by players being left behind ether. It would suck to lose even a third of the players
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