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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.03.20 03:17:00 -
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E.V.E: Valkyrie.
I'd rather look bad winning, than look good losing.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
751
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Posted - 2015.03.20 03:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be?
Obviously tower defense.
In space.
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2798
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Posted - 2015.03.20 03:56:00 -
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I get the sense that Legion is at least a year away from beta. It may have even received the red light.
IMO the best course of action is to continue with DUST, add things that will be necessary for Legion (full racial parity) and get them balanced. Figure out PC, player markets etc. Work out ways to improve the NPE. Basically get all of this stuff ready to cut/paste into Legion so it can hit the ground running. Meanwhile, the Legion team should be busy focusing on making a game with smooth controls, excellent frames per second and a polished FPS experience. Then we can migrate over to Legion for the beta and hopefully to the PS4 shortly thereafter.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 04:01:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:I get the sense that Legion is at least a year away from beta. It may have even received the red light.
IMO the best course of action is to continue with DUST, add things that will be necessary for Legion (full racial parity) and get them balanced. Figure out PC, player markets etc. Work out ways to improve the NPE. Basically get all of this stuff ready to cut/paste into Legion so it can hit the ground running. Meanwhile, the Legion team should be busy focusing on making a game with smooth controls, excellent frames per second and a polished FPS experience. Then we can migrate over to Legion for the beta and hopefully to the PS4 shortly thereafter.
I find it really difficult to see legion taking that long from the footage I witnessed last year and yet somehow your probably right. CCP are SO SLOW at development, imagine if they had a main competitor, they'd have died out years ago.
They seem to be doing this allready from my point of view, I see dust is just a large beta test for legion now.
I feel I should point out its the same team working on both, whatever the guys add to dust there the same devs creating content for legion.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 04:04:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:E.V.E: Valkyrie.
and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie.
you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 04:10:00 -
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If I had more faith in CCP I would probably say 2. In fact when they first announced Legion, after the initial shock, I was actually okay with it.
But considering their tendency to make promises they don't deliver, start multiple projects, never finish the projects they start, and be secretive about any progress they make on projects they're working on, it has to be #1 for me from now on forever.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2713
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Posted - 2015.03.20 04:55:00 -
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Quote:I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4.
You know... the whole reason they decided to move to PC was to get rid of limitations of outdated hardware (and think what you want. but the PS4 already is outdated) and Sony checks for their patches. So I don't see a PS4 version of Legion.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:10:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:If I had more faith in CCP I would probably say 2. In fact when they first announced Legion, after the initial shock, I was actually okay with it.
But considering their tendency to make promises they don't deliver, start multiple projects, never finish the projects they start, and be secretive about any progress they make on projects they're working on, it has to be #1 for me from now on forever.
They really need to hire a PR department or even an advisor. I've never seen such a dedicated fan base with so little faith. its ironic
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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:12:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:VAHZZ wrote:E.V.E: Valkyrie. and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie. you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier
You asked my opinion. I said I wanted Valkyrie. And have you been here to GD? You seem new.
I know who you aaaare, paal. I am a dirty troll...I'm ashaaaamed....
I'd rather look bad winning, than look good losing.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:17:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Quote:I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. You know... the whole reason they decided to move to PC was to get rid of limitations of outdated hardware (and think what you want. but the PS4 already is outdated) and Sony checks for their patches. So I don't see a PS4 version of Legion.
O I understand the limitations involved with console and have a hard time understanding CCP's initial idea to put dust on the PS3. It should allway's have been on PC first to keep it on a steady stream up updates with the EVE universe.
I have to disagree with you on your point concerning the PS4, Exactly how is it allready outdated? if legion were ported to PS4 it would be capable of handling allmost all of the same functionality as the PC version with potentially slightly worse graphics compared to PC.
The PS4 is one of the first consoles where cross-platform connections between it and PC are far easier to create then previous generations. the PS4 is literally a PC with fixed hardware.
what did you mean by sony checks their patches??
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:20:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:VAHZZ wrote:E.V.E: Valkyrie. and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie. you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier You asked my opinion. I said I wanted Valkyrie. And have you been here to GD? You seem new. I know who you aaaare, paal. I am a dirty troll...I'm ashaaaamed....
I presented two options, you can pick one, say nothing or propose another possibility to stimulate interesting discussion.
so you want Valkyrie? emm thats nice dear.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3571
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:20:00 -
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We need a path to a new platform, IMO.
PS3 is a dead end.
Legion. |
VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:21:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:VAHZZ wrote:E.V.E: Valkyrie. and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie. you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier You asked my opinion. I said I wanted Valkyrie. And have you been here to GD? You seem new. I know who you aaaare, paal. I am a dirty troll...I'm ashaaaamed.... I presented two options, you can pick one, say nothing or propose another possibility to stimulate interesting discussion. so you want Valkyrie? emm thats nice dear.
Valkyrie is life bruh.
I'd rather look bad winning, than look good losing.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
1112
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:23:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? EDIT: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. some features might not make it over to console due to limitations but if we show there are enough of us loyal fans still around they would probably consider it. Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746
There is not "Dust 514 only" ergo im out of voting.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:27:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
No, other PC shooters do not get along fine with hackers. It is a regular sight in PS2, BF and CS:GO. Even at a professional level people are banned from competition regularly for it.
It is tolerated because PC gamers have no choice. We, however, do have a choice. To NOT put it on PC in the first place.
As I said, I do want Dust on PS4. I don't want Legion on PS4.
Dust is not Legion. They are different visions by different teams. Legions vision is a half-baked idea by some marketing guy who is clueless about gaming.
team fortress two doesn't have hackers, please explain that? if your going to make dramatic sweeping statment's based on nothing I'm just going to ignore you.
PC games lead to a higher potential for hackers, it does not mean every PC game has hackers.
your turning this into a PC vs Console discussion why? are you 6 years old and love your console so much you have to be right about everything. you can't listen to reason. please grow up.
If you look up the development Ideas for both games you'll find that DUST and Legion are basiclly the same game. Project Legion is a place holder for the concepts development.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:30:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:VAHZZ wrote:E.V.E: Valkyrie. and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie. you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier You asked my opinion. I said I wanted Valkyrie. And have you been here to GD? You seem new. I know who you aaaare, paal. I am a dirty troll...I'm ashaaaamed.... I presented two options, you can pick one, say nothing or propose another possibility to stimulate interesting discussion. so you want Valkyrie? emm thats nice dear. Valkyrie is life bruh.
It looks fricken amazing and I love the concept but I just have little hope for its success because CCP
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 05:31:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:
There is not "Dust 514 only" ergo im out of voting.
Please read the full post. Legion is the continuation of Dust 514.
how about this would you like to see a Dust 514 II on PS4?
good enough, ok THATS LEGION
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
1112
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Posted - 2015.03.20 06:04:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:
There is not "Dust 514 only" ergo im out of voting.
Please read the full post. Legion is the continuation of Dust 514. how about this would you like to see a Dust 514 II on PS4? good enough, ok THATS LEGION
Helvete NO Finish DUST514 and what will be will be. I care about dust 514 only now.
"Sebiestor Hetzer"
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
82
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:41:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:
There is not "Dust 514 only" ergo im out of voting.
Please read the full post. Legion is the continuation of Dust 514. how about this would you like to see a Dust 514 II on PS4? good enough, ok THATS LEGION Helvete NO Finish DUST514 and what will be will be. I care about dust 514 only now.
They CAN'T Finish it. that's the point. It will NEVER be what they proposed it to be because of the limitations of the console.
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PLAYSTTION
Corrosive Synergy
757
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:11:00 -
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I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how.
I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7687
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be? I wonder why that could be...
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Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
693
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:57:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how.
I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit.
We have no idea because they are being secretive punks. Software projects don't usually benefit from simply throwing a bunch of devs onto the project. They will not have the slights clue where to jump in and start coding because it takes a long time to bring them in on the project.
I would like to know if that video from Legion was a PS3 emulation or a proper x86 PC build.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2715
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:46:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:I have to disagree with you on your point concerning the PS4, Exactly how is it allready outdated? if legion were ported to PS4 it would be capable of handling allmost all of the same functionality as the PC version with potentially slightly worse graphics compared to PC.
The PS4 is one of the first consoles where cross-platform connections between it and PC are far easier to create then previous generations. the PS4 is literally a PC with fixed hardware.
The PS4 is over 2 years old. It was outdated when it was released. A "Next gen console" not able to get a steady 1080p@60? Still no AA on consoles? It is outdated. And it won't get a magic performance boost. There is no reason to bring a game which evolves like Eve games on a console. If they bring it on PS4 now they will very soon encounter the same problem like they did with Dust.
And Sony has to approve every patch. That's why it takes forever for new patches to be released.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:54:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be? How can you say that? CCP introduced it as the replacement for dust 514 last year. It shares content and gameplay with dust but also includes PVE missions. I just don't see the point in everyone ignoring the elephant in the room. dust is slowly dying and if the idea of what dust was suppose to be can continue threw legion then lets push for it. EDIT: O and if legion isn't suppose to have gameplay like dust then maybe it should and they should market it as the replacement for dust. this game can't survive on an outdated console
I believe the specific wording was "inspired" by Dust 514 (and to a larger extend the eve universe).
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:56:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:
There is not "Dust 514 only" ergo im out of voting.
Please read the full post. Legion is the continuation of Dust 514. how about this would you like to see a Dust 514 II on PS4? good enough, ok THATS LEGION Helvete NO Finish DUST514 and what will be will be. I care about dust 514 only now. They CAN'T Finish it. that's the point. It will NEVER be what they proposed it to be because of the limitations of the console.
Limitation of console is honestly b*shate There is more advanced games on ps3 Stop with this nonsensical fairytale already
Take a look on Battlefield, Mirrors Edge, MAG Battlefield with destroyable engine, Mirrors Edge with sharp graphics and flow structure of moving and MAG for REAL MASSIVE ACTION
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Summa Militum
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:02:00 -
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When they say Legion will have a player-versus-environment setup does that mean it will have AI clones running around? If so I will not play that game. I play games to compete with actual people, not some predictable AI crap. |
Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
88
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:45:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:When they say Legion will have a player-versus-environment setup does that mean it will have AI clones running around? If so I will not play that game. I play games to compete with actual people, not some predictable AI crap.
From what I have seen of the gameplay and features they have wanted to introduce, the game would have the EXACT same features as dust 514, so PVP matches, planetary conquest and everything.
It would also include PVE missions where you can also travel to planets by yourself or with corp friends and take salvaging missions or do raids, this would involve landing on the planet and scavenging for equipment, weapons and resources left behind after a battle, (This sort of thing happens after a battle in EVE all the time). you would be fighting automated security drones sent to secure these resources AND other merc's who are also contending for the loot.
How does that sound bad in any way?? It sounds awesome.
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
313
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:50:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? EDIT: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. some features might not make it over to console due to limitations but if we show there are enough of us loyal fans still around they would probably consider it. EDIT II: Perhaps the first option seems a little bias but I could not figure out another way of praising it, We as a community have to accept that dust 514 is now on the previous gen of consoles, sony will cease manufacturing new ps3's by the end of 2015. while the game may still be supported by CCP the console and hareware are stuck in the past Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746
i say both as long as general concept stays like dust
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:57:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how.
I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit.
This is exactly what I'd like to see or even hear as something CCP are considering but they wont talk to us.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
573
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:00:00 -
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Legion was a kick in every console Dustys crotch region.
So I'd rather they give Dust514 on PS4 a new name.
If Legion or whatever it's called goes to PC, I'll happily upgrade my rig and play Star Citizen on it. |
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