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Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.20 01:35:00 - [1] - Quote Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746 Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.20 01:52:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be? How can you say that? CCP introduced it as the replacement for dust 514 last year. It shares content and gameplay with dust but also includes PVE missions. I just don't see the point in everyone ignoring the elephant in the room. dust is slowly dying and if the idea of what dust was suppose to be can continue threw legion then lets push for it. EDIT: O and if legion isn't suppose to have gameplay like dust then maybe it should and they should market it as the replacement for dust. this game can't survive on an outdated console Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.20 01:57:00 - [3] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: **** Legion! Dust 514 <3 What if they made legion the same as dust? would you hate a more polished updated version of dust on a new system? Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:01:00 - [4] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: .... You really think that CCP , after finally getting people to spend money ... will just dump Dust to work on legion that's gaining them zero revenue ? Like IWS said , " You don't know what type of game legion will be ." ... Hell for that matter , do you know what type of game Dust 514 is .?. just quit while your ahead and you were ahead before this . I know that dust 514 isn't the game it was intended to be, just look at the trailer, the game has nothing the trailer promised. where did this "noone knows what legion will be like" idea come from?? look at fanfest from last year again Legion is basically everything dust was suppose to be + PVE planet exploration and missions for ISK Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:03:00 - [5] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One would hope that DUST is making enough money to pay for itself and any development that is put into DUST will get transferred into Legion which hopefully is just "DUST 514 on the PC" and we get to keep all the things that CCP has sold to us like SP and crap. One can only hope. At the moment, though, I will go with Option 3: "Have CCP tells us the goddamn truth even if it hurts like hell rather than this silent treatment bull that is killing us." Its dying dude, it doesnt matter it if pays for itself or its development, CCP make games that are suppose to last 10+ years ad this one isn't gona last one more. all were getting now is the bare minimum of development, its a waste of CCP's time and they know it. Its a waste of our own time, just push for legion and get it to use as fast as they can Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:05:00 - [6] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Port the damn game to ps4. We can all torture ourselves going through Beta phase all over again. We'll do it for free. Hell do a full wipe it doesn't matter. Updated graphics, evolve CCP. You could be the top F2P shooter out there on the playstation. I agree with you that it should get a port to PS4 eventually but as a developer myself it makes far more sense to build for PC now and port it to PS4 once the PC version is up and running. they'll have it developed faster and they can run the beta on PC. PS4 users will end up with a clean cut fully functional game faster this way. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 80	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:10:00 - [7] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: LudiKure ninda wrote: **** Legion! Dust 514 <3 What if they made legion the same as dust? would you hate a more polished updated version of dust on a new system? Your the only one that thinks that's not what's going to happen . Why do you think that they haven't shut this down as of yet ? Not just about money , their not getting that much . why would they throw away all the data they've gathered developing dust, all of the development plans they have for dust and the entire community they've built over the last two years by developing a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIRST PERSON SHOOTER BASED IN EVE have you any idea how totally ridiculous that sounds? I see dust slowly dying over the course of the next year and if they don't get legion out quickly they'll retain little to nothing of the original placer base they've built up Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 80	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:14:00 - [8] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be? As long as you can shoot things like the alpha model that was shown during 14, and has a stable 60 FPS, then I'd go with legion. dust and legion look practically the same in every way. if CCP had just marketed it last year as the continuation of dust I don't think the players would have reacted so negatively to it. they cant actually assume dust was going to be on the PS3 forever? Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 80	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:18:00 - [9] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: At the moment, though, I will go with Option 3: "Have CCP tells us the goddamn truth even if it hurts like hell rather than this silent treatment bull that is killing us." Could not agree with your more, its demeaning that their treating us like wallets that might run away if they say the wrong thing. transparency between devs and their players is what's made dota 2, league of legends and elite dangerious such succesfull games in recent years Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 81	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:31:00 - [10] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: LudiKure ninda wrote: **** Legion! Dust 514 <3 What if they made legion the same as dust? would you hate a more polished updated version of dust on a new system? No. That mean that I need to go on a PC no fckin way!! Would you like it on PS4? because PS4 architecture is extremely similar to PC architecture so it would be rather easy to port legion to PS4 once its development is complete. See this is the information CCP should be sharing with the community but they wont bloody talk to us Its ok, I'm a ninja

Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 81	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:37:00 - [11] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746 It's a bullshit poll. Where's the option for dumping Legion and focusing on the real game, on PS4? If you think I want a game run by CCP Z, you're out of your mind. They have never NEVER stated that legion would not be on PS4, they just said they are focusing on the PC alpha for the moment. as I've already stated previously the PS4 architecture is designed so similar to PC that a port from one to the other wouldn't be that difficult. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 81	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:52:00 - [12] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746 It's a bullshit poll. Where's the option for dumping Legion and focusing on the real game, on PS4? If you think I want a game run by CCP Z, you're out of your mind. They have never NEVER stated that legion would not be on PS4, they just said they are focusing on the PC alpha for the moment. as I've already stated previously the PS4 architecture is designed so similar to PC that a port from one to the other wouldn't be that difficult. I won't play the game on PC or PS4 either. Because again CCP Z. He wants to turn the game into a low budget destiny clone because he is one of those devs that loves to do trend chasing without actually understanding anything. And then there's hackers, for PC. And for anything competitive I am not having hackers as a part of my game. Especially a F2P game where banning them is pointless as they could kill everyone in their vicinity with a standard AR on a new character (and they will, if it ever gets made). CCP also has what I would consider a hardly efficient force of in-game GM's that go after botters right now for EVE. You think they would keep up with the much easier to hack genre that is FPS? No. Not a snowballs chance in hell. Legion was a flawed idea from the start and it needs to die. Other PC shooters get along fine without problems for hackers, but I'm not sure how CCP deal with that issue and haven't considered it myself TBH. But why would you not want dust on PS4? Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 81	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:07:00 - [13] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? If you're going to make a poll like this next time, try to go easy on the bias between options. I almost feel your accusing glare burning into my soul when I consider the first option. I'm not going to vote, though, because neither appeal to me. I came back after a break from DUST, I'm enjoying it again, but neither am I going to let myself hope it can miraculously become everything I ever wanted it to be, unless CCP are willing to chip away at the game for years. Even then, I must accept the technical limitations of the PS3 as the gaming world moves on to the next generation of hardware. For now, I'm happy just having fun playing a game that isn't completely abandoned, and I ain't going to stop grinding LP for my Shaman BPO just yet. I wish they could continue development for DUST, perhaps take it to the PS4, but if it turns out they do figure out how to work Legion, fine, I'll hop over for a look and if I like it, I'll stay. sorry but i'm not going to pretend the situations isn't what it is. the game allready looks dated and development for it has grinded to a halt, the recent warbarge isn't even a 3D model its a 2D picture. the way I see it legion IS the continued development of dust 514 for one we'll be able to transfer our characters over to it if it were to be released. the games are the same but legion also has planet exploration outside of matches and PVE where you fight drones for salvage on battlegrounds that have allready been fought on, it would also be able to have all the features Dust was suppose to have like fighting inside the wreck of a destroyed titan and ransoming it back to the owner if your corp manages to claim it. they've allready talked about adding features like this to dust and cant due to the limitations of the PS3 I honestly cant see the difference between dust and legion Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 81	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:11:00 - [14] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be? We want Reign of Kings in space! If you haven't seen this game? Omg your missing out :p I just want the experence portrayed in the trailer for dust, still waiting Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 04:01:00 - [15] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I get the sense that Legion is at least a year away from beta. It may have even received the red light. IMO the best course of action is to continue with DUST, add things that will be necessary for Legion (full racial parity) and get them balanced. Figure out PC, player markets etc. Work out ways to improve the NPE. Basically get all of this stuff ready to cut/paste into Legion so it can hit the ground running. Meanwhile, the Legion team should be busy focusing on making a game with smooth controls, excellent frames per second and a polished FPS experience. Then we can migrate over to Legion for the beta and hopefully to the PS4 shortly thereafter. I find it really difficult to see legion taking that long from the footage I witnessed last year and yet somehow your probably right. CCP are SO SLOW at development, imagine if they had a main competitor, they'd have died out years ago. They seem to be doing this allready from my point of view, I see dust is just a large beta test for legion now. I feel I should point out its the same team working on both, whatever the guys add to dust there the same devs creating content for legion. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 04:04:00 - [16] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: E.V.E: Valkyrie. and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie. you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:10:00 - [17] - Quote First Prophet wrote: If I had more faith in CCP I would probably say 2. In fact when they first announced Legion, after the initial shock, I was actually okay with it. But considering their tendency to make promises they don't deliver, start multiple projects, never finish the projects they start, and be secretive about any progress they make on projects they're working on, it has to be #1 for me from now on forever. They really need to hire a PR department or even an advisor. I've never seen such a dedicated fan base with so little faith. its ironic Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:17:00 - [18] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Quote: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. You know... the whole reason they decided to move to PC was to get rid of limitations of outdated hardware (and think what you want. but the PS4 already is outdated) and Sony checks for their patches. So I don't see a PS4 version of Legion. O I understand the limitations involved with console and have a hard time understanding CCP's initial idea to put dust on the PS3. It should allway's have been on PC first to keep it on a steady stream up updates with the EVE universe. I have to disagree with you on your point concerning the PS4, Exactly how is it allready outdated? if legion were ported to PS4 it would be capable of handling allmost all of the same functionality as the PC version with potentially slightly worse graphics compared to PC. The PS4 is one of the first consoles where cross-platform connections between it and PC are far easier to create then previous generations. the PS4 is literally a PC with fixed hardware. what did you mean by sony checks their patches?? Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:20:00 - [19] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: VAHZZ wrote: E.V.E: Valkyrie. and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie. you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier You asked my opinion. I said I wanted Valkyrie. And have you been here to GD? You seem new. I know who you aaaare, paal. I am a dirty troll...I'm ashaaaamed.... I presented two options, you can pick one, say nothing or propose another possibility to stimulate interesting discussion. so you want Valkyrie? emm thats nice dear. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:27:00 - [20] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No, other PC shooters do not get along fine with hackers. It is a regular sight in PS2, BF and CS:GO. Even at a professional level people are banned from competition regularly for it. It is tolerated because PC gamers have no choice. We, however, do have a choice. To NOT put it on PC in the first place. As I said, I do want Dust on PS4. I don't want Legion on PS4. Dust is not Legion. They are different visions by different teams. Legions vision is a half-baked idea by some marketing guy who is clueless about gaming. team fortress two doesn't have hackers, please explain that? if your going to make dramatic sweeping statment's based on nothing I'm just going to ignore you. PC games lead to a higher potential for hackers, it does not mean every PC game has hackers. your turning this into a PC vs Console discussion why? are you 6 years old and love your console so much you have to be right about everything. you can't listen to reason. please grow up. If you look up the development Ideas for both games you'll find that DUST and Legion are basiclly the same game. Project Legion is a place holder for the concepts development. Its ok, I'm a ninja

Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:30:00 - [21] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: VAHZZ wrote: E.V.E: Valkyrie. and? their still working on dust and legion atm while a separate team is working on valkyrie. you did nothing but make an unrealated statment. this thread is about seeing if the playerbase though letting development stop on dust would be acceptable if it meant getting legion out earlier You asked my opinion. I said I wanted Valkyrie. And have you been here to GD? You seem new. I know who you aaaare, paal. I am a dirty troll...I'm ashaaaamed.... I presented two options, you can pick one, say nothing or propose another possibility to stimulate interesting discussion. so you want Valkyrie? emm thats nice dear. Valkyrie is life bruh. It looks fricken amazing and I love the concept but I just have little hope for its success because CCP Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:31:00 - [22] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: There is not "Dust 514 only" ergo im out of voting. Please read the full post. Legion is the continuation of Dust 514. how about this would you like to see a Dust 514 II on PS4? good enough, ok THATS LEGION Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 82	Posted - 2015.03.20 17:41:00 - [23] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: There is not "Dust 514 only" ergo im out of voting. Please read the full post. Legion is the continuation of Dust 514. how about this would you like to see a Dust 514 II on PS4? good enough, ok THATS LEGION Helvete NO Finish DUST514 and what will be will be. I care about dust 514 only now. They CAN'T Finish it. that's the point. It will NEVER be what they proposed it to be because of the limitations of the console. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:45:00 - [24] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: When they say Legion will have a player-versus-environment setup does that mean it will have AI clones running around? If so I will not play that game. I play games to compete with actual people, not some predictable AI crap. From what I have seen of the gameplay and features they have wanted to introduce, the game would have the EXACT same features as dust 514, so PVP matches, planetary conquest and everything. It would also include PVE missions where you can also travel to planets by yourself or with corp friends and take salvaging missions or do raids, this would involve landing on the planet and scavenging for equipment, weapons and resources left behind after a battle, (This sort of thing happens after a battle in EVE all the time). you would be fighting automated security drones sent to secure these resources AND other merc's who are also contending for the loot. How does that sound bad in any way?? It sounds awesome. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:57:00 - [25] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how. I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit. This is exactly what I'd like to see or even hear as something CCP are considering but they wont talk to us. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:02:00 - [26] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how. I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit. We have no idea because they are being secretive punks. Software projects don't usually benefit from simply throwing a bunch of devs onto the project. They will not have the slights clue where to jump in and start coding because it takes a long time to bring them in on the project. I would like to know if that video from Legion was a PS3 emulation or a proper x86 PC build. We as a community can't even decide what we want legion to be (And I think we have every right to have input on the project's direction, As of now we are the only potential customers for this projects product) because they wont communicate with us I have to wonder what your point was about throwing devs at the project, currently the dev team for dust IS THE EXACT SAME DEV TEAM working on legion. their is no throwing new workers at teh problem, its a matter of getting the team to shift their priority to legion and spend less time on dust. what would the community think of this? The build during the video was 100% on PC with assets taken from dust 514 and polished/updated for PC Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:05:00 - [27] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: I have to disagree with you on your point concerning the PS4, Exactly how is it allready outdated? if legion were ported to PS4 it would be capable of handling allmost all of the same functionality as the PC version with potentially slightly worse graphics compared to PC. The PS4 is one of the first consoles where cross-platform connections between it and PC are far easier to create then previous generations. the PS4 is literally a PC with fixed hardware. The PS4 is over 2 years old. It was outdated when it was released. A "Next gen console" not able to get a steady 1080p@60? Still no AA on consoles? It is outdated. And it won't get a magic performance boost. There is no reason to bring a game which evolves like Eve games on a console. If they bring it on PS4 now they will very soon encounter the same problem like they did with Dust. And Sony has to approve every patch. That's why it takes forever for new patches to be released. All true and it makes me wonder what they were thinking when they put dust on PS3 in the first place but it's on it now. I still think a PS4 port is in order, I'd be playing it on the PC if they both came out but it's not fair to a large chunk of the community to leave them behind. You have to consider everyone one of your fellow dust merc's Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:08:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't even know what kind of game legion is going to be? How can you say that? CCP introduced it as the replacement for dust 514 last year. It shares content and gameplay with dust but also includes PVE missions. I just don't see the point in everyone ignoring the elephant in the room. dust is slowly dying and if the idea of what dust was suppose to be can continue threw legion then lets push for it. EDIT: O and if legion isn't suppose to have gameplay like dust then maybe it should and they should market it as the replacement for dust. this game can't survive on an outdated console I believe the specific wording was "inspired" by Dust 514 (and to a larger extend the eve universe). The game they want to make is for us, WE should be able to decide what it is and I think eeryone interested want to see the idea of DUST continue. the ideas showin in the video have been considered by the devs as thing we'd want to see in DUST. I see no reason it can't be a DUST 514 game with more content and PVE features grounding it further into the EVE universe. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:12:00 - [29] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Limitation of console is honestly b*shate There is more advanced games on ps3 Stop with this nonsensical fairytale already Take a look on Battlefield, Mirrors Edge, MAG Battlefield with destroyable engine, Mirrors Edge with sharp graphics and flow structure of moving and MAG for REAL MASSIVE ACTION Do any of the games you just listed connect with and directly interact with a MMO on PC???? no, Dust doesn't even do that well THAT is the limitation of the console in relation to dust. I'm not considering graphics or destructible terrain because the reason graphics are aweful in dust is due to the late screwed up port to unreal engine 3, they built everything on their carbon engine, THAT is why the graphics look bad As for destructible terrain its not a feature, it doesn't fit in the game well. that's why its not in dust. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:13:00 - [30] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? EDIT: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. some features might not make it over to console due to limitations but if we show there are enough of us loyal fans still around they would probably consider it. EDIT II: Perhaps the first option seems a little bias but I could not figure out another way of praising it, We as a community have to accept that dust 514 is now on the previous gen of consoles, sony will cease manufacturing new ps3's by the end of 2015. while the game may still be supported by CCP the console and hareware are stuck in the past Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746 i say both as long as general concept stays like dust Thanks for the feedback, be sure to do the strawpoll if your interested Its ok, I'm a ninja

Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:19:00 - [31] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Legion was a kick in every console Dustys crotch region. So I'd rather they give Dust514 on PS4 a new name. If Legion or whatever it's called goes to PC, I'll happily upgrade my rig and play Star Citizen on it. In my opinion dust should never have been put on console to begine with but here we are. the game has allway's been held back because of this but CCP can't hurt their fans by fixing the problem with a PC game. what are they to do? The link to eve (eve players shooting at planets, doing contracts for eve corps, planetary conquest, raiding ships) All those good features that put dust right in the middle of the eve universe WONT happen on console. there's no way to network it well without lists of issues arising. Do we want dust as what it is now or do we want the experience we were promised in the trailer? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 88	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:23:00 - [32] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Honestly dude, who gives a damn? I mean seriously....I'm so over this talk about Legion. Legion is not here. It might not ever be here and honestly I could really give a damn less. Lets say Legion showed up one day....heck yeah, that would be awesome. I'd play it! BUT (BIG BUT) Dust 514 is getting better, its turning profit for CCP and there is new stuff on the way! A new game mode...even a spin on an old game mode, I don't care that's still awesome! Possibly some sort of PVE? Okay! Sweet! Lets do it! Remove head from bottom food disposal cavity and quit worrying about Legion. We have this game to play. This is the game today. Worry about the future in the future. If Sony said "Hey, in 6 months PS3 will go offline forever" and there is no talk of Legion or future announced for Dust, then be worried about it. Until then, tap square and go kill someone! Dust 514 is getting better? that's subjective and how much more can they cram onto the console?? PS3's are being discontinued this year as it is. Maybe its a bold statement to make but I have yet to meet dust players who are actually happy with this game?? they play it but as a disgruntled customer waiting for improvment's so its the actual product as it was advertised The point I was just making is does the playerbase want the upgraded experience now or later. the strawpoll as it stands now is 7 votes for legion quickly and 4 votes against. would be nice to see more votes on it tho Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 89	Posted - 2015.03.21 00:10:00 - [33] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: **** Legion Why do you have hatred for legion?? just wondering Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 89	Posted - 2015.03.21 00:26:00 - [34] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: **** Legion Why do you have hatred for legion?? just wondering Because it was a horribly stupid announcement that nearly killed my favorite game. I agree with you there, the announcement and presentation of at fanfest was an extremely stupid move. That being said what's done is done and I would really like to see them take the idea's they introduced in legion, slap the content and gameplay modes from dust onto it and release it out on the PC so we finally have the game dust was suppose to be, a stable, highly polished first person shooter linked intricately to the eve universe. If dust continues on console we may get a nice first person shooter based lore wise on eve but it will never be linked to the MMO in any realistic manor. the content will allway's have slow updates and with the lack of connection to EVE CCP will not give it the well time it deserves. Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 90	Posted - 2015.03.21 10:45:00 - [35] - Quote Golden Day wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: Luk Manag wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: I don't know but we have to trust CCP that we will get our fix of New Eden's battlefields some how. I want to see what would happen if Eve development was paused for a month or two (exempt for minor bug fixes) and all development was poured into Legion. Would that be enough to launch Legion in an early form to PC where a smaller team would pick up after the guys went back to Eve and move Legion to PS4 after a year of polishing, fixing and adding/finishing content left from the Eve team's visit. We have no idea because they are being secretive punks. Software projects don't usually benefit from simply throwing a bunch of devs onto the project. They will not have the slights clue where to jump in and start coding because it takes a long time to bring them in on the project. I would like to know if that video from Legion was a PS3 emulation or a proper x86 PC build. I know, we have to trust them but can't, alas, sigh I think Eve Valkyrie will trip and die like dust did. Over Hyping, slow development and more will make it die alongside Dust. Lol you don't even know if valk will die You know its coming out pc and ps4 thats two playerbases Big fat paychecks too He has a point tho, CCP have two competitors for Valkyrie. If eve and dust development speed is anything to go by both Elite dangerous and Star Citizen will be patching their games with content and updates 4 times faster then Valkyrie. it could well die after the first few months just like dust did. +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 90	Posted - 2015.03.21 10:50:00 - [36] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: My reasoning for Dust to PS4 is simply because I think it's a better business decision for CCP. Just wondering, how? PS4 will lead to the same content block PS3 did, slow patches and complete lack of real time connection to the eve MMO. It would be dust but with slightly better graphics, stability and match sizes. but still not the dust game shown in the trailer. isn't its biggest selling point its connection to EVE? don't we WANT to have a deep connection and interaction with the playerbase of EVE. Wouldn't it even inhance the EVE experence thus boosting the attraction of BOTH games? sounds like PC would be a smarter business decision now doesn't it? +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 90	Posted - 2015.03.21 11:06:00 - [37] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? EDIT I: I just wanted to clarify that as CCP stated last year they were focusing on building Legion for the PC for the moment, they never stated that legion would never eventually go to PS4 and due to the PS4s architecture being extremely close to that of a PC it would not be out of the question for legion to eventually see a port to PS4. some features might not make it over to console due to limitations but if we show there are enough of us loyal fans still around they would probably consider it. EDIT II: Perhaps the first option seems a little bias but I could not figure out another way of praising it, We as a community have to accept that dust 514 is now on the previous gen of consoles, sony will cease manufacturing new ps3's by the end of 2015. while the game may still be supported by CCP the console and hareware are stuck in the past Edit III: Please Vote on the strawpoll if you can, I'd really like to see all of your opinions Created a straw poll for those interested. http://strawpoll.me/3911746 I'm sorry but this is a false choice that buys into the BS that Legion and Dust are separate entities. Legion as project is dead and/or in dev hell. You guys want an FPS in New Eden? Focus on Dust and getting it beyond the PS3. I don't see the difference between Legion or dust Legion is just dust for PC with the features we've been looking for. which will eventually see a limited port to PS4. I'd like to see dust on a more updated platform that will make it last. for me thats legion. +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 90	Posted - 2015.03.21 11:49:00 - [38] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Poll data is useless due to sampling error. :( yep. haha I like you, your fun +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 90	Posted - 2015.03.21 13:57:00 - [39] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: Given the option would you rather 1. The dev's continue spending time and money on further development for dust 514 as it slowly declines while doing some work on legion in the background? 2. The dev's halt all development on dust 514 and throw all of their effort into getting Legion to us as fast as possible? What I'd really like them to do is port Dust 514 as it is to PS4, give it higher display/texture resolutions (possibly less frame rate drops), make it cross-play with the PS3 client (which is technically possible), keep adding features until we hit a brickwall with the PS3 client, then phase out the PS3 client, and start adding features that you really couldn't have done with the PS3's hardware. This would give us an immediate and long term future for 'Mercs On The Ground'Gäó, the entire team could work on the same product, noone gets left behind (for now). Porting dust as it is to PS4 is difficult, PS3 and PS4 are very different architecturally. PS4 is allmost a fixed hardware PC. It would allmost be easier to build a fresh game for PC and port it to PS4 which is why legion is a concept to begin with. though it may be technically possible cross-play raises the problem of players playing PS3 losing games to PS4 players due to a more stable system with (possibly) better control system. "keep adding features until we hit a brickwall with the PS3 client" perfect. They should be keeping this in mind all the time. the large scale system "LINK" between dust and eve are allready features that can't work due to PS3 limitations. to me this link is the main selling point of dust and the reason I started playing to begin with, its a pity the initial idea of dust can't be realised. I would prefer to see this game on PC but I don't want to see this community torn apart by players being left behind ether. It would suck to lose even a third of the players +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?

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