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Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9175	Posted - 2015.03.18 04:55:00 - [1] - Quote I mean the progression system is cool and all but when you can't even fully fit a Marduk G-1 with basic modules, whats the point exactly..? I mean, the idea behind the progression was to have them more in line with dropsuits but I don't have any problem at all outfitting a basic dropsuit with basic modules. Hell, I can fit some complexes in there if I really wanted to, maybe even sacrifice a smidgen and get a prototype weapon on the thing and do some real damage. Tanks? Nah. Paper thin fits because I can't fit a Marduk G-1 with even basic stuff. Here's what I wound up going with: Highs: x2 Militia Scanners (useless) x1 Basic Fuel Injector (meh) Lows: Complex Light Armor Repairer (can't fit a basic heavy repairer as it's too PG costly but this works just as well) Basic 120mm Armor Plates Basic Armor Hardener Militia Blaster Ammo Expansion Unit Turret: 80GJ Blaster So, I dunno, Engineering and Electronics don't increase base PG/CPU so it's basically trying to fight a losing battle against the low fitting ability. I might as well just run the Madrugar because it has just -SO MUCH- more PG/CPU and thereby can fit things a bit easier. I can run the same exact fit as the one listed above and have PG/CPU to spare to upgrade some things. I really don't see a point in using the Marduk when you're sacrificing PG/CPU to not have turrets - that part doesn't make any sense to me. Wouldn't it have made more sense to just say: "Madrugar G-1 has 100% reduced PG/CPU costs of Standard Small Turrets, G/1-Series has 100% reduced PG/CPU of advanced small turrets, and Gk.0 has 100% reduced PG/CPU costs of Prototype small turrets" instead of just making them just generally better? I mean, hell, they already have the turrets built in -AND- they get PG/CPU increase? That's just lulzy. Why punish Solo HAVs just because they don't want the two small turrets? Personally, I run the Solo HAV as a preference because I'd rather my team-mates be on the ground doing something productive than shooting aimlessly at the sky being generally useless. TL;DR - Thoughts 1) Solo HAVs are unnecessarily punished because they don't want two team-mates being generally useless in their tanks. 2) Electronics/Engineering skills that don't increase PG/CPU making it unnecessarily difficult to fit basic modules with the same freedom that you see in Infantry, thereby creating a brick wall in the progression, forcing them to use higher tiered vehicles to use minimally effective gear or investing -INSANE- amounts of SP to get Fitting Optimization skills. 3) Honestly think we need to advance a few generations in technology and have 'Vehicle Drop Uplinks' so we can stop losing vehicles to RDV shenanigans through no fault of our own. 4) No Large Blaster Turret cooldown skill? Thing overheats at half of the magazine, hard as hell to manage around between that and constantly having to reload (although I predicted this was going to be a problem during development). 5) Bugs abound like SHAVs having two turrets built in anyway and small blasters being generally **ed off. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV**
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 519	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:05:00 - [2] - Quote They said solo HAVs would be speedier, but nope same speed et al. Yeah, I'm not getting advantage of a solo HAV when even the fitting is nerfed relative to the "crew" version. Death is a serious business; so is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3625	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:07:00 - [3] - Quote Both "solo" HAVs are currently bugged, in addition to "losing" the PG and CPU normally reserved for small turrets, they also have with nothing fitted additional CPU and PG used up as if they had a pair of militia blasters. So yes, they are broken. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:15:00 - [4] - Quote You can fit all basic mods... if you're skilled into HAVs, that is. I think the thought was that they should reward players for running turrets so infantry can jump in as they please and the role can be more of a "main battle tank" as said in the dev blog. My only problem is when infantry won't leave. I was in a match today and I got two blueberries in my tank. One was doing pretty well, but the one in my bottom turret just afk'd for the rest of the match (I could tell because the turret never moved on it's own). The thing is, there's no way of kicking blues out (I have this problem with dropships too). I think they should add some afk detector for vehicle passengers, too. Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh! Incubi RULE! Pythons suck. 30% Logi, 30% Tanker, 40% Pilot
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9176	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:23:00 - [5] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: You can fit all basic mods... if you're skilled into HAVs, that is. Explain how, please. The only way I've seen to be able to do that is through investing SP in Fitting Optimization skills for... Well, everything. Even then those only apply to the modules therein instead of an overall bonus like Dropsuit Core upgrades/Electronics/Engineering. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18933	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:26:00 - [6] - Quote pretty sure militia modules are harder to fit than std the op's point remains though. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:27:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Lupus Wolf wrote: You can fit all basic mods... if you're skilled into HAVs, that is. Explain how, please. The only way I've seen to be able to do that is through investing SP in Fitting Optimization skills for... Well, everything. Even then those only apply to the modules therein instead of an overall bonus like Dropsuit Core upgrades/Electronics/Engineering. The biggest ones are shield and armor fitting optimization. They take up the majority of the PG/CPU and 5% per level (I think) adds up. If you're not sure, you could use protofits to make a tank fit and mess around with the skill tree to see what's required. Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh! Incubi RULE! Pythons suck. 30% Logi, 30% Tanker, 40% Pilot
Jack the Rlpper OUTCAST MERCS 61	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:33:00 - [8] - Quote My opinion is if your not investing the skill points then you shouldnt be to rewarded when using the item. Scout GK.0 Assault MK.0 Logi MK.0 Commando MK.0 Sentinel AK.0 60 Mil lifetime sp. Still Going.
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2745	Posted - 2015.03.18 07:06:00 - [9] - Quote The reason you can fit way better modules on a basic suit is the basic suit has far less slots than the basic Maddy. The basic GalAssault has what, 4 module slots? The Maddy G-1 has 7. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22865	Posted - 2015.03.18 07:09:00 - [10] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The reason you can fit way better modules on a basic suit is the basic suit has far less slots than the basic Maddy. The basic GalAssault has what, 4 module slots? The Maddy G-1 has 7. This doesn't really work as a comparison because the fitting resources of a tank are not equivalent to the fitting resources of a dropsuit. The reason you can't fit modules well on the tank is because of a lack of PG/CPU, not because it has more slots than a dropsuit. Gallente Guide

KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1443	Posted - 2015.03.18 07:14:00 - [11] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: re: to your signature You do realize that your sig describes virtually the entire gaming business, right? Either way, good sig. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin. 450 resource points, max.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1073	Posted - 2015.03.18 07:36:00 - [12] - Quote comparing tanks to dropsuits? lol. basic dropsuit can only compete with another basic cuit. A tank can destroy all infantry, even just a basic blaster is deadly. blue dot, shoot him!!!
anaboop The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 161	Posted - 2015.03.18 10:21:00 - [13] - Quote I just did a quick fit on the Marduk G-l adv blaster complex 120mm plate complex armor repair complex armor hardener complex pg unit enhanced scanner Just saying Fully sick Anaboop trading card
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4271	Posted - 2015.03.18 11:18:00 - [14] - Quote I can't run a solo tank even if i wanted to. They left the small turrets on it anyways so that screws the fitting even more but even if you take them off you still run out of fitting. If you use the basic HAV fitting basic modules on it will get you killed quicker because by now everyone has proto AV and you have basic with long cooldown timers which get you killed. It really is useless. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9180	Posted - 2015.03.18 13:07:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: pretty sure militia modules are harder to fit than std the op's point remains though. Yeah, the -one- militia module that actually mattered: Militia Blaster Ammo Expansion, which I applied as an afterthought because I couldn't fit anything else related to Armor. Same with the two militia active scanners which only require CPU cost and no PG costs. Kinda.... Stay with me here, dude, have a bit of knowledge in the modules that I'm referring too... Jack the Rlpper wrote: My opinion is if your not investing the skill points then you shouldnt be to rewarded when using the item. It's basic **ing modules, how much SP do I have to invest to be able to fit basic modules on a standard ing tank? Get real dude. Contribute to the debate or keep your dumb thoughts to yourself. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: This doesn't really work as a comparison because the fitting resources of a tank are not equivalent to the fitting resources of a dropsuit. The reason you can't fit modules well on the tank is because of a lack of PG/CPU, not because it has more slots than a dropsuit. And of course, Arkena seems to be the only one with any real logic to drop around here. Thanks for being you Arkena. anaboop wrote: I just did a quick fit on the Marduk G-l adv blaster complex 120mm plate complex armor repair complex armor hardener complex pg unit enhanced scanner Just saying Cool. Now how about telling us how you managed to do that (what skills and what levels they're at) instead of making an unnecessary rebuttle that has very little to do with the overall point here (btw, that point was: basic modules on standard tank). Just saying Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV**
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9180	Posted - 2015.03.18 13:08:00 - [16] - Quote See, this is the reason I can't vouch for Vehicle users ever. They're just like Scouts. "Herp derp you're not one of us so let's chastise you relentlessly because you're not a vehicle user and give reasons why we are so superior. Oh, you're trying to become one of us? GET AWAY BLUE TAG CHASER" /forums Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Michael-J-Fox Richards The Scope Gallente Federation 256	Posted - 2015.03.18 13:29:00 - [17] - Quote what a total **** fit the OP posted militia stuff costs more than std plus you put two scanners? irregardless of the problems your awful way of thinking makes any opinion you could ever have completely irrelevant. i dont know why more people arentt completely disgusted with the OP here I got that john elway arm to proficiency level 5.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 42	Posted - 2015.03.18 13:36:00 - [18] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: See, this is the reason I can't vouch for Vehicle users ever. They're just like Scouts. "Herp derp you're not one of us so let's chastise you relentlessly because you're not a vehicle user and give reasons why we are so superior. Oh, you're trying to become one of us? GET AWAY BLUE TAG CHASER" /forums Someone already gave you the best answer to why you can't fit a marduk properly right now: THEY ARE BUGGED. You ignored that response and went right on expecting a better answer. Don't get testy because of it. Short answer: Don't use the solo HAVs until they fix the bug. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1884	Posted - 2015.03.18 13:53:00 - [19] - Quote Do all of you people that complain about fitting , have your fitting maxed in the skill tree .?. you know , for armor and shields ? I see people complaining and I always wonder that also , HAV's are like the suits . Wanna fit the best and most , go PRO . I can't see how all of you thought it was going to be different ? You wasn't able to fit a lot on the STD's but people still complained about how unstoppable they were , maybe CCP is tired of the whining so they constrict things and now there going vanilla on a lot and I accredit that to the whiners who complain and create non-issues for attention ... oh yeah the troll threads calling for nerfs too . Edit : Looking at the post above mad me think about turret fittings as well because that does help . Thanks for the reminder . It seems that people forget about these things . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1068	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:00:00 - [20] - Quote Well, I just tested this myself because I had not tried it yet. Turret Slot 1 Std Large Blaster Low Slot 1 Basic Heavy Rep 1 Basic Heavy Plate 1 Basic Armor Hardener 1 Basic Blaster Ammo Expansion High Slot 1 Basic Scanner 1 Basic Heat Sink 1 Basic Blaster Damage Mod CPU Left 604 / 689 PG Left 2019 / 2074 Now let's see why I was able to do this: I have all skills maxed out. If someone is just starting to get into tanking there is no way that he/she could possibly fit all basic even if he/she had skilled into them, and if not, then it would even harder to fit some militia in there. And even I had to use ammo expansion for low slots because I just couldn't fit all basic otherwise. Now, I'm sure that if I had made some other less viable fit I might have been able to squeeze something else in there instead of ammo expansion.

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9184	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:06:00 - [21] - Quote Thread reported for deletion. Done with this. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 296	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:07:00 - [22] - Quote anaboop wrote: I just did a quick fit on the Marduk G-l adv blaster complex 120mm plate complex armor repair complex armor hardener complex pg unit enhanced scanner Just saying hell ya Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1068	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:14:00 - [23] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: See, this is the reason I can't vouch for Vehicle users ever. They're just like Scouts. "Herp derp you're not one of us so let's chastise you relentlessly because you're not a vehicle user and give reasons why we are so superior. Oh, you're trying to become one of us? GET AWAY BLUE TAG CHASER" /forums Someone already gave you the best answer to why you can't fit a marduk properly right now: THEY ARE BUGGED. You ignored that response and went right on expecting a better answer. Don't get testy because of it. Short answer: Don't use the solo HAVs until they fix the bug. Edit: Cheap basic fit: Madrugar Basic CRU Basic Fuel Injector Enhanced Heat Sink 80 Gj Neutron Blaster 2x 20 Gj Railgun 2x Enhanced Armor Hardener 2x Basic Heavy Armor Repairer Large blaster fitting @ 4 Small rail fitting @ 4 Fits with some room to spare. Only has around a 15 second off hardener time. Yeah, while you and I and many others are able to do this fit, those that are just getting into tanking can't do that fit, they can't even do all basic on a Madrugar. I just tested it myself, I can do it with my skills but even that is cutting it relatively close. Infantry can fit all basic on a standard suit without skills, but yeah, tanks =/= infantry so whatever.
Outlaw OneZero Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1596	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:19:00 - [24] - Quote If there is supposed to be vehicle progression, why is it expected to have fitting skills at all (let alone maxed) in order to fit basic mods on a basic hull? Shouldn't there be a skill progression that at least allows a reasonable ability to fit vehicles as you progress? This max your fitting skills or go home mentality seems odd to me. Hello, is this thing on?
The dark cloud Negative-Feedback. 4147	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:25:00 - [25] - Quote Whats the problem here? I got shield+armor fitting opimisation maxed out and dont have issues with fitting tanks properly. And im working on turret opimisation now to squeeze more out of my tanks. STD tanks can be a pain to take out and it just getting harder the higher you go. The same thing i could say about dropsuits when i need electronics+engineering at max. Its just a SP sink which you should have to begin with. I usually can make a fit with a STD tank that has mainly basic and some enhanced modules. At ADV i use mainly enhanced and some complex and at proto i only use complex stuff on that. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9185	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:32:00 - [26] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Whats the problem here? I got shield+armor fitting opimisation maxed out and dont have issues with fitting tanks properly. And im working on turret opimisation now to squeeze more out of my tanks. STD tanks can be a pain to take out and it just getting harder the higher you go. The same thing i could say about dropsuits when i need electronics+engineering at max. Its just a SP sink which you should have to begin with. I usually can make a fit with a STD tank that has mainly basic and some enhanced modules. At ADV i use mainly enhanced and some complex and at proto i only use complex stuff on that. No-one cares what skills you have maxxed out. It's no where near related to anything this thread had to do with when it was made and it sure as ** doesn't now that I've edited to concede defeat to this constant BS rhetoric that keeps bubbling up from the pits of Planet *. Go e-peen to your corp or figure out something productive to do with your life. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV**
Outlaw OneZero Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1596	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:46:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Thread reported for deletion. Done with this. Sorry to see you give up on this, you were right. Hello, is this thing on?
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:55:00 - [28] - Quote If CCP Spends ANYTIME ON VEHICLES. AND DOESN'T ACTUALLY PUT A PROPER LOCKING FEATURE ON THEM.... Lock Vehicle to all, Lock Vehicle except squad members. Lock Vehicle except Corporation members. Lock Vehicle except PSN Friends. If We Don't get this Mechanic after they are done with vehicles?!?!?! Might aswell delete them from the game. Paying for an asset to loose it because of CCP Shanghai's bad mechanics or lack there of, for countless reasons makes vehicles one of the most offensive features in the game for the average player... Vehicles have a potential to add to this game and make it great... Instead CCP has squandered the opportunity to actually build a role into DUST for them for 3 years. The lack of Vision, The lack of proper mechanics to even make them relevant under how the game works.. The CRAZY amounts of time talking about a little number here and there.. When they have no purpose in the game and haven't even held a proper discussion on WHat vehicles are even for.... Vehicles are victim to individual Developers whims for 3 years.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 42	Posted - 2015.03.18 15:04:00 - [29] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Yeah, while you and I and many others are able to do this fit, those that are just getting into tanking can't do that fit, they can't even do all basic on a Madrugar. I just tested it myself, I can do it with my skills but even that is cutting it relatively close. Infantry can fit all basic on a standard suit without skills, but yeah, tanks =/= infantry so whatever. This I did not know. It has been a really long time since I maxed out my tank skills, so for me, everything fitting is just normal. Clearly something needs to be done if people need millions of SP into vehicles just to make a STD fit. Lets get a thread up for this in F & I. If a new bro can't run a STD tank with under 3 million SP, something is messed up. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1069	Posted - 2015.03.18 15:14:00 - [30] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Yeah, while you and I and many others are able to do this fit, those that are just getting into tanking can't do that fit, they can't even do all basic on a Madrugar. I just tested it myself, I can do it with my skills but even that is cutting it relatively close. Infantry can fit all basic on a standard suit without skills, but yeah, tanks =/= infantry so whatever. This I did not know. It has been a really long time since I maxed out my tank skills, so for me, everything fitting is just normal. Clearly something needs to be done if people need millions of SP into vehicles just to make a STD fit. Lets get a thread up for this in F & I. If a new bro can't run a STD tank with under 3 million SP, something is messed up. Well, I'd be happy to do that but I'm terribad with numbers and Rattati loves numbers, so someone more "skilled" (heh) should do it. Simply what I think should be done is slightly more PG for standard tier, maybe advanced too, I dunno. Proto fitting at least seems fine considering that Rattati has hinted at future PG/CPU skills for vehicles.



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