DUST Search - Yeh, yanno - I don't like the new tanks.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Your right , people want the easy road and not to have to work for anything . To get the best out of you weapons you need damage mods maxed , proficiency maxed , warbarge maxed , electronics and engineering maxed to be able to fit these mods and weapons easier , sometimes fittings on the weapons themselves at least at three .

I just don't see what the problem is , invest to get the best results and it's no different from infantry .. it's just the fact that many of you complain about it being so .

I don't know many that have infantry and vehicles maxed and that's fine with me , everybody shouldn't be able to do the same thing and that's what many of you have a problem with , you can dominate at infantry and you wanna do the same with vehicles with zero effort and CCP is right and should not cave in and look at anything , you want to fit the best ... invest .

If you didn't have SP's in your core and weapons then they wouldn't work well , much less be able to fit on a STD or ADV suit .


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Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9175	Posted - 2015.03.18 04:55:00 - [1] - Quote I mean the progression system is cool and all but when you can't even fully fit a Marduk G-1 with basic modules, whats the point exactly..? I mean, the idea behind the progression was to have them more in line with dropsuits but I don't have any problem at all outfitting a basic dropsuit with basic modules. Hell, I can fit some complexes in there if I really wanted to, maybe even sacrifice a smidgen and get a prototype weapon on the thing and do some real damage. Tanks? Nah. Paper thin fits because I can't fit a Marduk G-1 with even basic stuff. Here's what I wound up going with: Highs: x2 Militia Scanners (useless) x1 Basic Fuel Injector (meh) Lows: Complex Light Armor Repairer (can't fit a basic heavy repairer as it's too PG costly but this works just as well) Basic 120mm Armor Plates Basic Armor Hardener Militia Blaster Ammo Expansion Unit Turret: 80GJ Blaster So, I dunno, Engineering and Electronics don't increase base PG/CPU so it's basically trying to fight a losing battle against the low fitting ability. I might as well just run the Madrugar because it has just -SO MUCH- more PG/CPU and thereby can fit things a bit easier. I can run the same exact fit as the one listed above and have PG/CPU to spare to upgrade some things. I really don't see a point in using the Marduk when you're sacrificing PG/CPU to not have turrets - that part doesn't make any sense to me. Wouldn't it have made more sense to just say: "Madrugar G-1 has 100% reduced PG/CPU costs of Standard Small Turrets, G/1-Series has 100% reduced PG/CPU of advanced small turrets, and Gk.0 has 100% reduced PG/CPU costs of Prototype small turrets" instead of just making them just generally better? I mean, hell, they already have the turrets built in -AND- they get PG/CPU increase? That's just lulzy. Why punish Solo HAVs just because they don't want the two small turrets? Personally, I run the Solo HAV as a preference because I'd rather my team-mates be on the ground doing something productive than shooting aimlessly at the sky being generally useless. TL;DR - Thoughts 1) Solo HAVs are unnecessarily punished because they don't want two team-mates being generally useless in their tanks. 2) Electronics/Engineering skills that don't increase PG/CPU making it unnecessarily difficult to fit basic modules with the same freedom that you see in Infantry, thereby creating a brick wall in the progression, forcing them to use higher tiered vehicles to use minimally effective gear or investing -INSANE- amounts of SP to get Fitting Optimization skills. 3) Honestly think we need to advance a few generations in technology and have 'Vehicle Drop Uplinks' so we can stop losing vehicles to RDV shenanigans through no fault of our own. 4) No Large Blaster Turret cooldown skill? Thing overheats at half of the magazine, hard as hell to manage around between that and constantly having to reload (although I predicted this was going to be a problem during development). 5) Bugs abound like SHAVs having two turrets built in anyway and small blasters being generally **ed off. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV**
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9176	Posted - 2015.03.18 05:23:00 - [2] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: You can fit all basic mods... if you're skilled into HAVs, that is. Explain how, please. The only way I've seen to be able to do that is through investing SP in Fitting Optimization skills for... Well, everything. Even then those only apply to the modules therein instead of an overall bonus like Dropsuit Core upgrades/Electronics/Engineering. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9180	Posted - 2015.03.18 13:07:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: pretty sure militia modules are harder to fit than std the op's point remains though. Yeah, the -one- militia module that actually mattered: Militia Blaster Ammo Expansion, which I applied as an afterthought because I couldn't fit anything else related to Armor. Same with the two militia active scanners which only require CPU cost and no PG costs. Kinda.... Stay with me here, dude, have a bit of knowledge in the modules that I'm referring too... Jack the Rlpper wrote: My opinion is if your not investing the skill points then you shouldnt be to rewarded when using the item. It's basic **ing modules, how much SP do I have to invest to be able to fit basic modules on a standard ing tank? Get real dude. Contribute to the debate or keep your dumb thoughts to yourself. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: This doesn't really work as a comparison because the fitting resources of a tank are not equivalent to the fitting resources of a dropsuit. The reason you can't fit modules well on the tank is because of a lack of PG/CPU, not because it has more slots than a dropsuit. And of course, Arkena seems to be the only one with any real logic to drop around here. Thanks for being you Arkena. anaboop wrote: I just did a quick fit on the Marduk G-l adv blaster complex 120mm plate complex armor repair complex armor hardener complex pg unit enhanced scanner Just saying Cool. Now how about telling us how you managed to do that (what skills and what levels they're at) instead of making an unnecessary rebuttle that has very little to do with the overall point here (btw, that point was: basic modules on standard tank). Just saying Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV**
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9180	Posted - 2015.03.18 13:08:00 - [4] - Quote See, this is the reason I can't vouch for Vehicle users ever. They're just like Scouts. "Herp derp you're not one of us so let's chastise you relentlessly because you're not a vehicle user and give reasons why we are so superior. Oh, you're trying to become one of us? GET AWAY BLUE TAG CHASER" /forums Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9184	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:06:00 - [5] - Quote Thread reported for deletion. Done with this. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9185	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:32:00 - [6] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Whats the problem here? I got shield+armor fitting opimisation maxed out and dont have issues with fitting tanks properly. And im working on turret opimisation now to squeeze more out of my tanks. STD tanks can be a pain to take out and it just getting harder the higher you go. The same thing i could say about dropsuits when i need electronics+engineering at max. Its just a SP sink which you should have to begin with. I usually can make a fit with a STD tank that has mainly basic and some enhanced modules. At ADV i use mainly enhanced and some complex and at proto i only use complex stuff on that. No-one cares what skills you have maxxed out. It's no where near related to anything this thread had to do with when it was made and it sure as ** doesn't now that I've edited to concede defeat to this constant BS rhetoric that keeps bubbling up from the pits of Planet *. Go e-peen to your corp or figure out something productive to do with your life. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV**
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9218	Posted - 2015.03.19 06:07:00 - [7] - Quote Jack the Rlpper wrote: Dont come at me with **ing attitude and tell me my thoughts are dumb you idfc if you wanna put sp into it or not and idfc if its basic on basic ing skill into it or get over it ok and also htfu Word. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV**
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9227	Posted - 2015.03.19 13:04:00 - [8] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Your right , people want the easy road and not to have to work for anything . To get the best out of you weapons you need damage mods maxed , proficiency maxed , warbarge maxed , electronics and engineering maxed to be able to fit these mods and weapons easier , sometimes fittings on the weapons themselves at least at three . I just don't see what the problem is , invest to get the best results and it's no different from infantry .. it's just the fact that many of you complain about it being so . I don't know many that have infantry and vehicles maxed and that's fine with me , everybody shouldn't be able to do the same thing and that's what many of you have a problem with , you can dominate at infantry and you wanna do the same with vehicles with zero effort and CCP is right and should not cave in and look at anything , you want to fit the best ... invest . If you didn't have SP's in your core and weapons then they wouldn't work well , much less be able to fit on a STD or ADV suit . Shouldn't have to invest anything to be able to outfit standard gear on a standard tank. Sorry if that destroys your capitalistic world view or whatever. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*