DUST Search - Yeh, yanno - I don't like the new tanks.

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Your right , people want the easy road and not to have to work for anything . To get the best out of you weapons you need damage mods maxed , proficiency maxed , warbarge maxed , electronics and engineering maxed to be able to fit these mods and weapons easier , sometimes fittings on the weapons themselves at least at three .

I just don't see what the problem is , invest to get the best results and it's no different from infantry .. it's just the fact that many of you complain about it being so .

I don't know many that have infantry and vehicles maxed and that's fine with me , everybody shouldn't be able to do the same thing and that's what many of you have a problem with , you can dominate at infantry and you wanna do the same with vehicles with zero effort and CCP is right and should not cave in and look at anything , you want to fit the best ... invest .

If you didn't have SP's in your core and weapons then they wouldn't work well , much less be able to fit on a STD or ADV suit .

Shouldn't have to invest anything to be able to outfit standard gear on a standard tank. Sorry if that destroys your capitalistic world view or whatever.


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MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1068	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:00:00 - [1] - Quote Well, I just tested this myself because I had not tried it yet. Turret Slot 1 Std Large Blaster Low Slot 1 Basic Heavy Rep 1 Basic Heavy Plate 1 Basic Armor Hardener 1 Basic Blaster Ammo Expansion High Slot 1 Basic Scanner 1 Basic Heat Sink 1 Basic Blaster Damage Mod CPU Left 604 / 689 PG Left 2019 / 2074 Now let's see why I was able to do this: I have all skills maxed out. If someone is just starting to get into tanking there is no way that he/she could possibly fit all basic even if he/she had skilled into them, and if not, then it would even harder to fit some militia in there. And even I had to use ammo expansion for low slots because I just couldn't fit all basic otherwise. Now, I'm sure that if I had made some other less viable fit I might have been able to squeeze something else in there instead of ammo expansion.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1068	Posted - 2015.03.18 14:14:00 - [2] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: See, this is the reason I can't vouch for Vehicle users ever. They're just like Scouts. "Herp derp you're not one of us so let's chastise you relentlessly because you're not a vehicle user and give reasons why we are so superior. Oh, you're trying to become one of us? GET AWAY BLUE TAG CHASER" /forums Someone already gave you the best answer to why you can't fit a marduk properly right now: THEY ARE BUGGED. You ignored that response and went right on expecting a better answer. Don't get testy because of it. Short answer: Don't use the solo HAVs until they fix the bug. Edit: Cheap basic fit: Madrugar Basic CRU Basic Fuel Injector Enhanced Heat Sink 80 Gj Neutron Blaster 2x 20 Gj Railgun 2x Enhanced Armor Hardener 2x Basic Heavy Armor Repairer Large blaster fitting @ 4 Small rail fitting @ 4 Fits with some room to spare. Only has around a 15 second off hardener time. Yeah, while you and I and many others are able to do this fit, those that are just getting into tanking can't do that fit, they can't even do all basic on a Madrugar. I just tested it myself, I can do it with my skills but even that is cutting it relatively close. Infantry can fit all basic on a standard suit without skills, but yeah, tanks =/= infantry so whatever.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1069	Posted - 2015.03.18 15:14:00 - [3] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Yeah, while you and I and many others are able to do this fit, those that are just getting into tanking can't do that fit, they can't even do all basic on a Madrugar. I just tested it myself, I can do it with my skills but even that is cutting it relatively close. Infantry can fit all basic on a standard suit without skills, but yeah, tanks =/= infantry so whatever. This I did not know. It has been a really long time since I maxed out my tank skills, so for me, everything fitting is just normal. Clearly something needs to be done if people need millions of SP into vehicles just to make a STD fit. Lets get a thread up for this in F & I. If a new bro can't run a STD tank with under 3 million SP, something is messed up. Well, I'd be happy to do that but I'm terribad with numbers and Rattati loves numbers, so someone more "skilled" (heh) should do it. Simply what I think should be done is slightly more PG for standard tier, maybe advanced too, I dunno. Proto fitting at least seems fine considering that Rattati has hinted at future PG/CPU skills for vehicles.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1069	Posted - 2015.03.19 10:22:00 - [4] - Quote Jack the Rlpper wrote: Dont come at me with **ing attitude and tell me my thoughts are dumb you idfc if you wanna put sp into it or not and idfc if its basic on basic ing skill into it or get over it ok and also htfu ** So you'd be perfectly fine if infantry had to skill into fitting skills in order to fit basic modules on standard suits? Or maybe double fraking standards?
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1069	Posted - 2015.03.19 11:28:00 - [5] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Jack the Rlpper wrote: Dont come at me with **ing attitude and tell me my thoughts are dumb you idfc if you wanna put sp into it or not and idfc if its basic on basic ing skill into it or get over it ok and also htfu ** So you'd be perfectly fine if infantry had to skill into fitting skills in order to fit basic modules on standard suits? Or maybe double fraking standards? nah hell nah you ten hundred percent wrong on that, a vehicle is a supplemental tool, you dont have to have or use vehicles, but everyone uses dropsuits and dropsuit modules, vehicles should cost more even to just fit basic, your dingbat logic is like saying my car should cost as much money as my t-shirt pants and shoes What? How can you start comparing the prices of cars and t-shirts? Well, at least I can fit much more stuff on my car than on my t-shirt. So I guess I can see where you'd come up with that argument. So how could it be easier to fit stuff on t-shirt than it'd be on a car? See the fault of your logic? Common sense would say that it's easier to fit stuff in a car - or tank in this case - than it is to fit stuff in your clothes - or dropsuit in this case. So you just shot yourself in the leg with your argument. Have a nice day, sir. EDIT: Maybe you still haven't noticed what game you are playing here, in this game you actually have dedicated vehicle pilot roles. This isn't Battlefield where everyone can get free vehicles and be just about equally as effective in said vehicles from day one as everyone else. Battlefield has slight infantry progression and minor vehicle progression. Dust has major infantry and vehicle progression. EDIT 2: And even more so if vehicles are just supplemental tools, shouldn't everyone be able to do at least a complete basic fitting on them from the getgo? Instead of having to invest months - ok, with the current weekly cap it's just weeks - to be able to fully fit your first basic tank. Because according to you they are nothing that anyone should be concentrated on, infantry gameplay is what matters. So why would anyone waste millions of potential SP away from their infantry gameplay just to be able to basic fit their supplemental tool?
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1070	Posted - 2015.03.19 13:16:00 - [6] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Your right , people want the easy road and not to have to work for anything . To get the best out of you weapons you need damage mods maxed , proficiency maxed , warbarge maxed , electronics and engineering maxed to be able to fit these mods and weapons easier , sometimes fittings on the weapons themselves at least at three . I just don't see what the problem is , invest to get the best results and it's no different from infantry .. it's just the fact that many of you complain about it being so . I don't know many that have infantry and vehicles maxed and that's fine with me , everybody shouldn't be able to do the same thing and that's what many of you have a problem with , you can dominate at infantry and you wanna do the same with vehicles with zero effort and CCP is right and should not cave in and look at anything , you want to fit the best ... invest . If you didn't have SP's in your core and weapons then they wouldn't work well , much less be able to fit on a STD or ADV suit . Shouldn't have to invest anything to be able to outfit standard gear on a standard tank. Sorry if that destroys your capitalistic world view or whatever. Damn right n-word, mm mm! It's incredible that even I with all skills maxed don't have much fitting capacity left after fitting a standard fraking Madrugar with standard fraking modules. And at the same time infantry can relatively easily fit some proto and advanced on those standard suits with skills maxed. Where as we need skills maxed just to fit all standard. Lol, so much double standard here.