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Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1409	Posted - 2015.03.16 21:53:00 - [1] - Quote So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This gladious was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1312	Posted - 2015.03.16 21:58:00 - [2] - Quote Duck. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet General Tso's Alliance 176	Posted - 2015.03.16 21:59:00 - [3] - Quote And tanks hate AV. Ah both sides wining about each other
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17697	Posted - 2015.03.16 22:00:00 - [4] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This gladious was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. Eye Crai Evry Tiem. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 244	Posted - 2015.03.16 22:01:00 - [5] - Quote Totally thought this thread would be about merc on tank intercourse, but it's the other way around. I popped several stanks today. But, I have to assume they were being operated by scrubs, coz almost every one of them got out to let me shoot them with a prof 3 boundless smg. Silly tanker wannabes.
The dark cloud Negative-Feedback. 4137	Posted - 2015.03.16 22:03:00 - [6] - Quote Sounds like if you encountered a rep tank fit. It looks somewhat like this: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/12543 If he switched both hardeners on he basically had godmode and nothing could kill him except for maybe double damage modded large missiles. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1434	Posted - 2015.03.16 22:03:00 - [7] - Quote Gladius on half armor? 3 av nadies? Maybe marduk? Please support fair play!
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1409	Posted - 2015.03.16 22:07:00 - [8] - Quote John Psi wrote: Gladius on half armor? 3 av nadies? Maybe marduk? Hmm. Good point. It was the Galente tank so def the marduk. Could have swore my target Intel said gladius. Probably another intel display error. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 3536	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:22:00 - [9] - Quote A well fitted non-MLT armor tank takes at least two coordinated AV to kill now. Gone are the days of easy soloing armor tanks.
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:30:00 - [10] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This marduk was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. Armor tanks, shield tanks could never survive that crap. Molestia approved

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:32:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Sounds like if you encountered a rep tank fit. It looks somewhat like this: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/12543 If he switched both hardeners on he basically had godmode and nothing could kill him except for maybe double damage modded large missiles. Pssh, put an armor plate on dat. 1 rep, 1 plate 2 hards. Molestia approved
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17703	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:50:00 - [12] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This marduk was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. Armor tanks, shield tanks could never survive that crap. Don't doubt they could. I'd still call the Gunnlogi king of Anti-Infantry due to the sheer control you can exert over your shields coupled with the handling of the tank allowing to aggressive manoeuvre around and through sockets reacting to mobile infantrymen as required. By in by I am testing both tanks every chance I get having no SP invested in infantry roles any longer. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1081	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:55:00 - [13] - Quote Using PLC against armor tank? Eh.. Ps. Madrugars are now gods while their hardener/s is/are on. Caldari Hero Loyal To The State Mejt0 Sale List
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2388	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:05:00 - [14] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Duck. Duck No Safety Net. TLDR : XD
Dementia Maniaclease Dust 514 Elite Ops 7	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:10:00 - [15] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Duck. Duck Goose?
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1411	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:19:00 - [16] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: A well fitted non-MLT armor tank takes at least two coordinated AV to kill now. Gone are the days of easy soloing armor tanks. Maybe you missed the part I said that another tank was shooting this tank the whole time. So apparently it should take three people to kill one person in a tank. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
Assert Dominance Negative-Feedback 1036	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:19:00 - [17] - Quote the OP is it! Biomass! blue dot, shoot him!!!!!!!!
DUST Fiend 16114	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:20:00 - [18] - Quote New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 515	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:29:00 - [19] - Quote If you had been with the other infantry worrying about the objectives then this simply wouldn't be a problem. You were there and complain about the tank shooting you? Let's see GÇô myofibs with ungodly jump ability, proto swarms with ungodly AV ability that others don't seem to have a problem with, objectives that are 98% indoors, buildings you can drop down on top of with a DS and no tanks in any Ambush mode. You stood right there on theground within range? Yep, blame the tank. Here we to with the nerf the tank threads again I'll bet. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 515	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:32:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) ButGÇª not to infantry unless infantry choose to stand right there at the tank and allow the tank to shoot at them. Absolutely widespread amount of space for infantry to be other than within tank range and now even in 3 dimensions? Jump, jump and more jump! Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.

Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 515	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:33:00 - [21] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: A well fitted non-MLT armor tank takes at least two coordinated AV to kill now. Gone are the days of easy soloing armor tanks. Maybe you missed the part I said that another tank was shooting this tank the whole time. So apparently it should take three people to kill one person in a tank. Yes, because of myofibs, tanks can be as OP as f*ck now and infantry can just keep on leaping around without a care. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17704	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:46:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) I don't think the rep values are wrong however I do think that Passive Armour Repairers is still wrong. I have a big post planned for feedback on HAV both Shield and Armour (Neither results in a vastly different performance for me) and in it I want to suggest the resurgence of Active Armour Repairers. I think the 305 armour per second is a fair marker (317.6 at highest under my proposal with 2x Heavy Repairers active at the same time) but only if those values are of a limited duration and not completely passive. IMO vehicle armour should be a tank type that is more defined by its static HP buffers and reliance of specific modules for repairs unlike shields which has a natural passive repair value combined with its Shield Boosters. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 412	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:57:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) I don't think the rep values are wrong however I do think that Passive Armour Repairers is still wrong. I have a big post planned for feedback on HAV both Shield and Armour (Neither results in a vastly different performance for me) and in it I want to suggest the resurgence of Active Armour Repairers. I think the 305 armour per second is a fair marker (317.6 at highest under my proposal with 2x Heavy Repairers active at the same time) but only if those values are of a limited duration and not completely passive. IMO vehicle armour should be a tank type that is more defined by its static HP buffers and reliance of specific modules for repairs unlike shields which has a natural passive repair value combined with its Shield Boosters. 300 reps per sec + hardener = 450 effective hit points intantly repped per second.
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1411	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:58:00 - [24] - Quote I think some people are missing my point. When I first engaged this tank he was in HALF ARMOR. the one plasma round and three lai dai av nades I used against him is well over 5000 hp worth of damage. This tanked repped through my 5K worth of damage plus another tank shooting at it. And his armor barely went down and was back to half when he shoot me in the face. To put that into perspective if two players were shooting at one sentinel it would take at least three or four logis worth of reps for that sentinels armor to barely go down yet this tanker can do the same thing SOLO. That seems pretty unbalanced to me. (And fyi, cooldowns mean jack **** when you can just call in another tank.) And it was the bridge map, so yes I was in the open as there is no cover where I happened to be. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17704	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:59:00 - [25] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) I don't think the rep values are wrong however I do think that Passive Armour Repairers is still wrong. I have a big post planned for feedback on HAV both Shield and Armour (Neither results in a vastly different performance for me) and in it I want to suggest the resurgence of Active Armour Repairers. I think the 305 armour per second is a fair marker (317.6 at highest under my proposal with 2x Heavy Repairers active at the same time) but only if those values are of a limited duration and not completely passive. IMO vehicle armour should be a tank type that is more defined by its static HP buffers and reliance of specific modules for repairs unlike shields which has a natural passive repair value combined with its Shield Boosters. 300 reps per sec + hardener = 450 effective hit points instantly repped per second. I have done the math yes. On a whole under the proposal I have the regeneration per second is lessened on both a stacked and individual level and only possible for a 15 second window. After that you are high and dry for reps relying on your piloting. If it is decided in the thread that I will post the values suggested are too high then I can slowly incrementally decrease them until it is felt they are appropriate. Also.... 300 *1.4 does not equal 450........ it's 420 and 427 if you included the addition 5 you chose to ignore. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 283	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:07:00 - [26] - Quote The activation delay of active modules on tanks just needs to be increased from 1 second to 4 seconds, then infantry would have a chance at ambushing tanks. I think I will make my own thread about that. I will say that it I making tanks use them as defensive anti ambushing mods as well as assault mods. It allows tanks to kill until they encounter a few AV hits, then they quickly activate 2 hardeners, then kill and retreat for 60 seconds, they are not vulnerable while hardeners are down. Tanks are only vulnerable if there hardeners are in the cooldown phase and they have no hardeners active. I think I will say that too.
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 412	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:23:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) I don't think the rep values are wrong however I do think that Passive Armour Repairers is still wrong. I have a big post planned for feedback on HAV both Shield and Armour (Neither results in a vastly different performance for me) and in it I want to suggest the resurgence of Active Armour Repairers. I think the 305 armour per second is a fair marker (317.6 at highest under my proposal with 2x Heavy Repairers active at the same time) but only if those values are of a limited duration and not completely passive. IMO vehicle armour should be a tank type that is more defined by its static HP buffers and reliance of specific modules for repairs unlike shields which has a natural passive repair value combined with its Shield Boosters. 300 reps per sec + hardener = 450 effective hit points instantly repped per second. I have done the math yes. On a whole under the proposal I have the regeneration per second is lessened on both a stacked and individual level and only possible for a 15 second window. After that you are high and dry for reps relying on your piloting. If it is decided in the thread that I will post the values suggested are too high then I can slowly incrementally decrease them until it is felt they are appropriate. Also.... 300 *1.4 does not equal 450........ it's 420 and 427 if you included the addition 5 you chose to ignore. Well you chose to ignore your number of 317 for max, which would be around 440 per second.. so let's not bicker about 10 hypothetical hps. We need balance between armor and shield tanks, right now we have effective tanks (armor) and redline tanks (shields).
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17707	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:29:00 - [28] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) I don't think the rep values are wrong however I do think that Passive Armour Repairers is still wrong. I have a big post planned for feedback on HAV both Shield and Armour (Neither results in a vastly different performance for me) and in it I want to suggest the resurgence of Active Armour Repairers. I think the 305 armour per second is a fair marker (317.6 at highest under my proposal with 2x Heavy Repairers active at the same time) but only if those values are of a limited duration and not completely passive. IMO vehicle armour should be a tank type that is more defined by its static HP buffers and reliance of specific modules for repairs unlike shields which has a natural passive repair value combined with its Shield Boosters. 300 reps per sec + hardener = 450 effective hit points instantly repped per second. I have done the math yes. On a whole under the proposal I have the regeneration per second is lessened on both a stacked and individual level and only possible for a 15 second window. After that you are high and dry for reps relying on your piloting. If it is decided in the thread that I will post the values suggested are too high then I can slowly incrementally decrease them until it is felt they are appropriate. Also.... 300 *1.4 does not equal 450........ it's 420 and 427 if you included the addition 5 you chose to ignore. Well you chose to ignore your number of 317 for max, which would be around 440 per second.. so let's not bicker about 10 hypothetical hps. We need balance between armor and shield tanks, right now we have effective tanks (armor) and redline tanks (shields). You don't even know the figures I am using and you want to critique my mathematics? Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
ReGnYuM Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 3580	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:36:00 - [29] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: A well fitted non-MLT armor tank takes at least two coordinated AV to kill now. Gone are the days of easy soloing armor tanks. My Min Commando + Pro V Swarms + LvL 5 Augmented ammo + Two Stacked Complex Damage Mods would agree to disagree mhhhhh Don't even get me started on the DerpShip status
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 412	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:39:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah I'm not really interested in carrying in this conversation with you, nir do i care about yet another terrible proposal as you are more interested in proposing changes that dont matter, have no positive effect on balance and are selfserving.. so good luck with that and have fun using a calculator instead if a controller. I am interested in balancing shield tanks so they can get out of the redline. Armor tanks are in a good place versus av right now and don't need any help or changes. Nerfing armor repairers should not even be on the table right now. You are wasting your time. How would you fix shield tanks?

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:41:00 - [31] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Duck. Duck Draconaquus Molestia approved
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:42:00 - [32] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) Armor tanks are impossible to kill with a non ion canon damage mod...while shields get laughed at, Molestia approved
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:44:00 - [33] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: The activation delay of active modules on tanks just needs to be increased from 1 second to 4 seconds, then infantry would have a chance at ambushing tanks. I think I will make my own thread about that. I will say that it I making tanks use them as defensive anti ambushing mods as well as assault mods. It allows tanks to kill until they encounter a few AV hits, then they quickly activate 2 hardeners, then kill and retreat for 60 seconds, they are not vulnerable while hardeners are down. Tanks are only vulnerable if there hardeners are in the cooldown phase and they have no hardeners active. I think I will say that too. Oh, yes, make shields worse........ Molestia approved
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17708	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:56:00 - [34] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: Yeah I'm not really interested in carrying in this conversation with you, nir do i care about yet another terrible proposal as you are more interested in proposing changes that dont matter, have no positive effect on balance and are selfserving.. so good luck with that and have fun using a calculator instead if a controller. I am interested in balancing shield tanks so they can get out of the redline. Armor tanks are in a good place versus av right now and don't need any help or changes. Nerfing armor repairers should not even be on the table right now. You are wasting your time. How would you fix shield tanks? I'm testing them every evening when I get off work. There are a few things that I think need to be addressed with them but I'm keeping them close until I have tested pretty much every fit I can cook up, the turrets in every scenario, and come up with fair proposals. I do feel like shields are certainly lacking in the new environment in some respects though I currently attribute that to them not being top dog in terms of potential eHP any more and the perception that as a result of not having the highest potential eHP they are therefore unusable. They are far from it. I find them to be excellent anti infantry tanks with superior control over HP values and positioning but lacking tank vs tank. Tonight I'm testing a Gladius with 3x Complex Plates and 2x Hardeners with all 3 turrets to see how it does. As for self serving I don't think having armour repairs become active modules is self serving as currently they are rather powerful trending to the upper echelons of power in the tank rebalance. I don't think short term repairs of that power are too unreasonable but having those as a constant passive value are rather game breaking. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17708	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:58:00 - [35] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: WeapondigitX V7 wrote: The activation delay of active modules on tanks just needs to be increased from 1 second to 4 seconds, then infantry would have a chance at ambushing tanks. I think I will make my own thread about that. I will say that it I making tanks use them as defensive anti ambushing mods as well as assault mods. It allows tanks to kill until they encounter a few AV hits, then they quickly activate 2 hardeners, then kill and retreat for 60 seconds, they are not vulnerable while hardeners are down. Tanks are only vulnerable if there hardeners are in the cooldown phase and they have no hardeners active. I think I will say that too. Oh, yes, make shields worse........ Shield's aren't bad.....they're just lacking something specific. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 412	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:09:00 - [36] - Quote Armor tanks are better in every way short of cornering. The fact that armor tanks can shoot through their own hulls makes them better vs infantry.
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 412	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:13:00 - [37] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Yeah I'm not really interested in carrying in this conversation with you, nir do i care about yet another terrible proposal as you are more interested in proposing changes that dont matter, have no positive effect on balance and are selfserving.. so good luck with that and have fun using a calculator instead if a controller. I am interested in balancing shield tanks so they can get out of the redline. Armor tanks are in a good place versus av right now and don't need any help or changes. Nerfing armor repairers should not even be on the table right now. You are wasting your time. How would you fix shield tanks? I'm testing them every evening when I get off work. There are a few things that I think need to be addressed with them but I'm keeping them close until I have tested pretty much every fit I can cook up, the turrets in every scenario, and come up with fair proposals. I do feel like shields are certainly lacking in the new environment in some respects though I currently attribute that to them not being top dog in terms of potential eHP any more and the perception that as a result of not having the highest potential eHP they are therefore unusable. They are far from it. I find them to be excellent anti infantry tanks with superior control over HP values and positioning but lacking tank vs tank. Tonight I'm testing a Gladius with 3x Complex Plates and 2x Hardeners with all 3 turrets to see how it does. As for self serving I don't think having armour repairs become active modules is self serving as currently they are rather powerful trending to the upper echelons of power in the tank rebalance. I don't think short term repairs of that power are too unreasonable but having those as a constant passive value are rather game breaking. Well make sure you test 3 militia scanners with 4 cpu chips as it will be about as useful. Run only proto shield tanks, blow up as many tanks at least 100 m away from your own redline as you can, check your wallet, discuss.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17709	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:19:00 - [38] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Yeah I'm not really interested in carrying in this conversation with you, nir do i care about yet another terrible proposal as you are more interested in proposing changes that dont matter, have no positive effect on balance and are selfserving.. so good luck with that and have fun using a calculator instead if a controller. I am interested in balancing shield tanks so they can get out of the redline. Armor tanks are in a good place versus av right now and don't need any help or changes. Nerfing armor repairers should not even be on the table right now. You are wasting your time. How would you fix shield tanks? I'm testing them every evening when I get off work. There are a few things that I think need to be addressed with them but I'm keeping them close until I have tested pretty much every fit I can cook up, the turrets in every scenario, and come up with fair proposals. I do feel like shields are certainly lacking in the new environment in some respects though I currently attribute that to them not being top dog in terms of potential eHP any more and the perception that as a result of not having the highest potential eHP they are therefore unusable. They are far from it. I find them to be excellent anti infantry tanks with superior control over HP values and positioning but lacking tank vs tank. Tonight I'm testing a Gladius with 3x Complex Plates and 2x Hardeners with all 3 turrets to see how it does. As for self serving I don't think having armour repairs become active modules is self serving as currently they are rather powerful trending to the upper echelons of power in the tank rebalance. I don't think short term repairs of that power are too unreasonable but having those as a constant passive value are rather game breaking. Well make sure you test 3 militia scanners with 4 cpu chips as it will be about as useful. Run only proto shield tanks, blow up as many tanks at least 100 m away from your own redline as you can, check your wallet, discuss. I'll give it a shot certainly though where I am in relation to my redline is not up to me it's up to the flow of the battle. If our infantry is confident I can be as well supporting them on the front lines. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10669	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:23:00 - [39] - Quote My favorite thing to do to tanks now: 3 Assaults run Lai Dai packed with Hives. Blaster Armor tank rolls up, starts shooting. The flying explosive rain pops him or leaves him SCRAMBLING away. It's even funnier if you all run mybo's to jump all around him while chucking AV nades. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 412	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:24:00 - [40] - Quote Run solo.. stats that matter are 1 vs 1 wins vs armor tanks where there was no av interference on either side. Going in with a full squad or having 2 swarmers on your turrets vs a solo armor tank doesn't count. 1 vs 1.. you both see each other at the same time

DarthJT5 Random Gunz 327	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:26:00 - [41] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Yeah I'm not really interested in carrying in this conversation with you, nir do i care about yet another terrible proposal as you are more interested in proposing changes that dont matter, have no positive effect on balance and are selfserving.. so good luck with that and have fun using a calculator instead if a controller. I am interested in balancing shield tanks so they can get out of the redline. Armor tanks are in a good place versus av right now and don't need any help or changes. Nerfing armor repairers should not even be on the table right now. You are wasting your time. How would you fix shield tanks? I'm testing them every evening when I get off work. There are a few things that I think need to be addressed with them but I'm keeping them close until I have tested pretty much every fit I can cook up, the turrets in every scenario, and come up with fair proposals. I do feel like shields are certainly lacking in the new environment in some respects though I currently attribute that to them not being top dog in terms of potential eHP any more and the perception that as a result of not having the highest potential eHP they are therefore unusable. They are far from it. I find them to be excellent anti infantry tanks with superior control over HP values and positioning but lacking tank vs tank. Tonight I'm testing a Gladius with 3x Complex Plates and 2x Hardeners with all 3 turrets to see how it does. As for self serving I don't think having armour repairs become active modules is self serving as currently they are rather powerful trending to the upper echelons of power in the tank rebalance. I don't think short term repairs of that power are too unreasonable but having those as a constant passive value are rather game breaking. Well make sure you test 3 militia scanners with 4 cpu chips as it will be about as useful. Run only proto shield tanks, blow up as many tanks at least 100 m away from your own redline as you can, check your wallet, discuss. I'll give it a shot certainly though where I am in relation to my redline is not up to me it's up to the flow of the battle. If our infantry is confident I can be as well supporting them on the front lines. Can I help in your testing? Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year. The awnser is always XT missiles....
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17711	Posted - 2015.03.17 04:01:00 - [42] - Quote DarthJT5 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Yeah I'm not really interested in carrying in this conversation with you, nir do i care about yet another terrible proposal as you are more interested in proposing changes that dont matter, have no positive effect on balance and are selfserving.. so good luck with that and have fun using a calculator instead if a controller. I am interested in balancing shield tanks so they can get out of the redline. Armor tanks are in a good place versus av right now and don't need any help or changes. Nerfing armor repairers should not even be on the table right now. You are wasting your time. How would you fix shield tanks? I'm testing them every evening when I get off work. There are a few things that I think need to be addressed with them but I'm keeping them close until I have tested pretty much every fit I can cook up, the turrets in every scenario, and come up with fair proposals. I do feel like shields are certainly lacking in the new environment in some respects though I currently attribute that to them not being top dog in terms of potential eHP any more and the perception that as a result of not having the highest potential eHP they are therefore unusable. They are far from it. I find them to be excellent anti infantry tanks with superior control over HP values and positioning but lacking tank vs tank. Tonight I'm testing a Gladius with 3x Complex Plates and 2x Hardeners with all 3 turrets to see how it does. As for self serving I don't think having armour repairs become active modules is self serving as currently they are rather powerful trending to the upper echelons of power in the tank rebalance. I don't think short term repairs of that power are too unreasonable but having those as a constant passive value are rather game breaking. Well make sure you test 3 militia scanners with 4 cpu chips as it will be about as useful. Run only proto shield tanks, blow up as many tanks at least 100 m away from your own redline as you can, check your wallet, discuss. I'll give it a shot certainly though where I am in relation to my redline is not up to me it's up to the flow of the battle. If our infantry is confident I can be as well supporting them on the front lines. Can I help in your testing? Sure. Firstly I have to get my own thoughts in order on both HAV. Do you have any specific Shield HAV fits you think are competitive or powerful? I've been using 2x Complex Extenders, a Heat Sink, a Hardener, and a Heavy Booster along side a Railgun and Blaster. Rails I am struggling with due to tendency to use them like automatic battle cannon as opposed to sniper rifles but Blasters as always like Missile are my jam. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 04:01:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: duster 35000 wrote: WeapondigitX V7 wrote: The activation delay of active modules on tanks just needs to be increased from 1 second to 4 seconds, then infantry would have a chance at ambushing tanks. I think I will make my own thread about that. I will say that it I making tanks use them as defensive anti ambushing mods as well as assault mods. It allows tanks to kill until they encounter a few AV hits, then they quickly activate 2 hardeners, then kill and retreat for 60 seconds, they are not vulnerable while hardeners are down. Tanks are only vulnerable if there hardeners are in the cooldown phase and they have no hardeners active. I think I will say that too. Oh, yes, make shields worse........ Shield's aren't bad.....they're just lacking something specific. PLC's destroy them, and armor tanks are better than them now, and have quicker regen...and regen while taking damage with a hardener...shields lost thier regen, and are only good vs swarms...even then, damage mods, when your hardener is off, you better find some cover...then hide for your cooldown. Molestia approved
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17711	Posted - 2015.03.17 04:29:00 - [44] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: True Adamance wrote: duster 35000 wrote: WeapondigitX V7 wrote: The activation delay of active modules on tanks just needs to be increased from 1 second to 4 seconds, then infantry would have a chance at ambushing tanks. I think I will make my own thread about that. I will say that it I making tanks use them as defensive anti ambushing mods as well as assault mods. It allows tanks to kill until they encounter a few AV hits, then they quickly activate 2 hardeners, then kill and retreat for 60 seconds, they are not vulnerable while hardeners are down. Tanks are only vulnerable if there hardeners are in the cooldown phase and they have no hardeners active. I think I will say that too. Oh, yes, make shields worse........ Shield's aren't bad.....they're just lacking something specific. PLC's destroy them, and armor tanks are better than them now, and have quicker regen...and regen while taking damage with a hardener...shields lost thier regen, and are only good vs swarms...even then, damage mods, when your hardener is off, you better find some cover...then hide for your cooldown. And? 4/5 of the most common AV options are Anti Armour they did horrific damage to and continue to be effective against Armour HAV right now. Your whining about one specific tailored AV option designed to defeat Shield HAV is meaningless. As for regeneration you lost all of 44 regen/sec.....seriously "crai me a river". As for Armour HAV being better we have yet to see. I will agree their passive repairs are out of control right now. I don't want to nerf that as a think short duration active reps have a very real place in Dust as long as the pilot is actively controlling their vehicle. As for Armour..... I think perhaps Armour could see some changes but rushing to present feed back a week after release seems a bit knee jerk to me. I want to be thorough when I present my HAV feed back to Rattati. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:03:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: duster 35000 wrote: True Adamance wrote: duster 35000 wrote: WeapondigitX V7 wrote: The activation delay of active modules on tanks just needs to be increased from 1 second to 4 seconds, then infantry would have a chance at ambushing tanks. I think I will make my own thread about that. I will say that it I making tanks use them as defensive anti ambushing mods as well as assault mods. It allows tanks to kill until they encounter a few AV hits, then they quickly activate 2 hardeners, then kill and retreat for 60 seconds, they are not vulnerable while hardeners are down. Tanks are only vulnerable if there hardeners are in the cooldown phase and they have no hardeners active. I think I will say that too. Oh, yes, make shields worse........ Shield's aren't bad.....they're just lacking something specific. PLC's destroy them, and armor tanks are better than them now, and have quicker regen...and regen while taking damage with a hardener...shields lost thier regen, and are only good vs swarms...even then, damage mods, when your hardener is off, you better find some cover...then hide for your cooldown. And? 4/5 of the most common AV options are Anti Armour they did horrific damage to and continue to be effective against Armour HAV right now. Your whining about one specific tailored AV option designed to defeat Shield HAV is meaningless. As for regeneration you lost all of 44 regen/sec.....seriously "crai me a river". As for Armour HAV being better we have yet to see. I will agree their passive repairs are out of control right now. I don't want to nerf that as a think short duration active reps have a very real place in Dust as long as the pilot is actively controlling their vehicle. As for Armour..... I think perhaps Armour could see some changes but rushing to present feed back a week after release seems a bit knee jerk to me. I want to be thorough when I present my HAV feed back to Rattati. Kay. wasn't crying, but shields are now worse than armor. It's like a pre fix harraser. Molestia approved
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 514	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:14:00 - [46] - Quote Tanks are fun to go against lol, I got a scout suit dedicated to solo tanks xD. Just place a few mines lore him and watch him go boom
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2824	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:17:00 - [47] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Tanks are fun to go against lol, I got a scout suit dedicated to solo tanks xD. Just place a few mines lore him and watch him go boom You're going to tell him a story and then blow him up? Why read to him in the first place... Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
DarthJT5 Random Gunz 328	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:27:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sure. Firstly I have to get my own thoughts in order on both HAV. Do you have any specific Shield HAV fits you think are competitive or powerful? I've been using 2x Complex Extenders, a Heat Sink, a Hardener, and a Heavy Booster along side a Railgun and Blaster. Rails I am struggling with due to tendency to use them like automatic battle cannon as opposed to sniper rifles but Blasters as always like Missile are my jam. Before I say them, know that I have every fitting optimization skill relevant to my fits maxed (besides small turrets, I only have lvl 2 opt. on small missiles and nothing else). Also, you can still rely on passive regen on shield tanks. 120 hp/s if freaking GREAT for not having to spend any mods. (All fits are on Gunnlogi Cv.0) My fist fit, the one that I use for stomping in pubs, or for competitive PC usage, I call it "One"( I name my proto tanks after my Favourite Metallica songs) XT-201 Missile Lancher Std 20 gj rail on top, std missile on front. 2x Complex Heavy Extenders 2x Complex Shield Hardeners 1x Complex Light Booster Fitting mods in the lows, resources are very scarce on shield tanks as of late. This is my general purpose, all around fit. It has great EHP, and, with the Complex small booster, can Regen very fast when it needs to. I haven't lost one of these tanks in a pub match yet, even while having multiple forgers hitting me at the same time. You can also bring one of the extenders down if you plan on having gunners, thus letting both of the turrets become ADV at the cost of 300 HP. Second fit that I've had a friend recommend me, but I haven't used personally but I know it's a good fit. It is used with a proto rail with full optimization, otherwise it won't work. Not sure what smalls he uses 2x Complex Heavy Extenders 3x Complex Hardeners PG mod 120mm Complex plate With this fit, you can tank anything as long as those hardeners are up. Literally anything. But, once they're down... Your in a bad position, but you still have over 2000 armor HP to rely on. Next fit of my design. I call it "Master of Puppets", intent on slaying masses of infantry, hence the name. 80 GJ Ion Cannon Whatever smalls 2x Complex Extenders 2x Complex Hardeners 1x Complex Damage Mod (Blaster) Whatever you need In the lows, either fitting mods or ammo. This is THE tank for taking on infantry, or ambushing a shield tank with the DMG mod. The Blasters are already great at killing infantry, the Hardeners will nullify any AV you might encounter, and you will be able to take on any shield tank at close range. Your only weaknesses in this fit are Armor HAV's and long range rails. This fit, for long range bombardment of enemy vehicles, I call "Fade to Black". 80 GJ Particle Cannon Again, whatever smalls 2x Complex Extenders 1x Complex Hardener 1x Complex Heat Sink 1x Complex Dmg Mod Fitting mods or something else in the lows. Not ammo, you won't need extra, like ever. This fit is meant to stay on the outskirts of the battlefield, and destroying unsuspecting enemy vehicles while they are doing other things. The Damage Mod and Heat Sink, when combined with a P-Cannon, is extremely effective in dealing with enemy vehicles at long range. That's all I've got for you right now. One general note, I would stay away from Heavy Boosters until they get their fitting costs cut in half. Your fits will be much better without them. Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year. The awnser is always XT missiles....
DarthJT5 Random Gunz 328	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:54:00 - [49] - Quote Another thing, I'm definitely going to try my hardest to get some regulators in my low slots once they're fixed. I'll have to bring some mods down, but it's going to happen. Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year. The awnser is always XT missiles....
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9959	Posted - 2015.03.17 06:09:00 - [50] - Quote I'll never take shield tankers seriously if they keep trying to 1v1 me in CQC. I just can't do it, just a few hours ago I took on an entire tank convoy of DUNA tanks in my gv.0 Madrugar. They were all ADV Shield Gunlogis with rails and lol blasters trying to take me at CQC. I even went against them 1v2 at one time but one tank couldn't even hit me because I kept circling around his railgun and getting rid of the shield blaster tank, then I killed the Gunlogi. Out of all tonight, upon all the burning heaps of tanks I called I only lost one tank and that was to a Rail Tank that stalked me only fired at me when I was dead out in the open. 3 shots, dead. The one tank I lost was to a person that actually knew how to use a Caldari Rail tank. Bravo dude, you did what 7 duna tanks and other randoms tankers couldn't do out of this entire day. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*

DarthJT5 Random Gunz 328	Posted - 2015.03.17 06:16:00 - [51] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'll never take shield tankers seriously if they keep trying to 1v1 me in CQC. I just can't do it, just a few hours ago I took on an entire tank convoy of DUNA tanks in my gv.0 Madrugar. They were all ADV Shield Gunlogis with rails and lol blasters trying to take me at CQC. I even went against them 1v2 at one time but one tank couldn't even hit me because I kept circling around his railgun and getting rid of the shield blaster tank, then I killed the Gunlogi. Out of all tonight, upon all the burning heaps of tanks I called I only lost one tank and that was to a Rail Tank that stalked me only fired at me when I was dead out in the open. 3 shots, dead. The one tank I lost was to a person that actually knew how to use a Caldari Rail tank. Bravo dude, you did what 7 duna tanks and other randoms tankers couldn't do out of this entire day. I think that's what the problem really is. The dudes who have only tanked since 1.7 have only enjoyed the benefits that shield had over armor, so they think " I have a rail, he has a blaster, I win" without trying to keep a minimum engagement distance.... I always fight from a distance in my tank battles, even with Missiles. That's how I've been roasting armor tanks lately, either with my "Fade to Black" fit above or just good ole XT missiles. The RoF nerf really hurt me though, I could accurately shoot missiles a lot faster than the current RoF... Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year. The awnser is always XT missiles....
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 998	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:17:00 - [52] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: A well fitted non-MLT armor tank takes at least two coordinated AV to kill now. Gone are the days of easy soloing armor tanks. Ah the zero-sum game is back.... force multiplier in effect.... reminds me of the good ol' 1.7 days...
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:56:00 - [53] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'll never take shield tankers seriously if they keep trying to 1v1 me in CQC. I just can't do it, just a few hours ago I took on an entire tank convoy of DUNA tanks in my gv.0 Madrugar. They were all ADV Shield Gunlogis with rails and lol blasters trying to take me at CQC. I even went against them 1v2 at one time but one tank couldn't even hit me because I kept circling around his railgun and getting rid of the shield blaster tank, then I killed the Gunlogi. Out of all tonight, upon all the burning heaps of tanks I called I only lost one tank and that was to a Rail Tank that stalked me only fired at me when I was dead out in the open. 3 shots, dead. The one tank I lost was to a person that actually knew how to use a Caldari Rail tank. Bravo dude, you did what 7 duna tanks and other randoms tankers couldn't do out of this entire day. You were ganged up on by blasters and rails and survived? yep, armor needs a tone done, reps, from the buff, that's just overpowered. And you do realize a maddy with nitro is better than a gunny? Moves faster. Molestia approved
QRT30 Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 80	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:00:00 - [54] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: A well fitted non-MLT armor tank takes at least two coordinated AV to kill now. Gone are the days of easy soloing armor tanks. My Min Commando + Pro V Swarms + LvL 5 Augmented ammo + Two Stacked Complex Damage Mods would agree to disagree mhhhhh Don't even get me started on the DerpShip status I have almost damage maxed minmando (commando lvl 5, prof. swarms lvl 5, 2xcmpl damage mods, warbage damage 4%) and it's really difficult for me to destroy good tanker especially with large blaster. I waste one day trying to destroy echo tanks. Next day we ganged: 2x heavy with AHMG and flux + logi with AV. We melt every tank with AHMG, first flux, then AV and finish with AHMG. A lot of fun and tears for tankers. ItGÇÖs stupid that my dedicated expensive AV fit is useless than some anti infantry heavy for 40K ISK. PS. F... all redline fagots in shield tanks with rail. QRT30 - all Caldari/Minimatar lvl 5, Gal all lvl.3 - core maxed QRT300 - Amarr heavy/commando
Genral69 death Random Gunz 119	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:09:00 - [55] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This marduk was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. I'm calling lies Lets look at it like this So 3 light eye packed Av grenades do roughly 1500 damage, so that times 3 is 4500 plus your plasma cannon. Lets say you were running the basic pl which is 1300 damage. So altogether its 5800 damage. Now considering you said a harderner on there that leave 3 low slots available. Marrduk at basic is 1200/2100. So it cant be all reps other wise he would of died from your packed Av grenades. So there are diffidently some plates maybe even 2 plus the hardner. And you say he was at half amror when this happened, which makes it u believable General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17718	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:28:00 - [56] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'll never take shield tankers seriously if they keep trying to 1v1 me in CQC. I just can't do it, just a few hours ago I took on an entire tank convoy of DUNA tanks in my gv.0 Madrugar. They were all ADV Shield Gunlogis with rails and lol blasters trying to take me at CQC. I even went against them 1v2 at one time but one tank couldn't even hit me because I kept circling around his railgun and getting rid of the shield blaster tank, then I killed the Gunlogi. Out of all tonight, upon all the burning heaps of tanks I called I only lost one tank and that was to a Rail Tank that stalked me only fired at me when I was dead out in the open. 3 shots, dead. The one tank I lost was to a person that actually knew how to use a Caldari Rail tank. Bravo dude, you did what 7 duna tanks and other randoms tankers couldn't do out of this entire day. You were ganged up on by blasters and rails and survived? yep, armor needs a tone done, reps, from the buff, that's just overpowered. And you do realize a maddy with nitro is better than a gunny? Moves faster. Why shouldn't a tank equipped with a Nitrous firstly move faster than one without and secondly be superior in close quarters combat if it can move faster than a tanks tracking capabilities? Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 637	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:33:00 - [57] - Quote Wait for hardeners to go off. Also, should have tried placing remotes on him before hurling giant balls of flame at him, giving away your location. The new C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, I'm that Heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy, Assault, Logi-
The dark cloud Negative-Feedback. 4139	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:39:00 - [58] - Quote dont worry things will get worse once dispersion stabilizers are getting their fix to be highslot modules. Then the real terror of sniping madrugars with blasters will become reality. The only reason why this hasnt happend yet is that they are bugged and would take armor HP/reps/hardeners away. Mark my words the **** hasnt hit the fan yet. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 487	Posted - 2015.03.17 11:37:00 - [59] - Quote Shield tanks are now on the lower end of the spectrum. Armor vehicles are king all around. The xt201s even with two damage mods cannot break through the double hardened Maddy. Lol I thought missiles were for smashing armor - I guess not. Destroyer rail tanks don't stand a chance up close. The railguns must be used at range now. Ion Cannons eat Shield tanks with no problem. Which is how it should be, But there is still no Destroyer. The Gunnlogi Destroyer can't even punch through armor hardeners well enough. CCP needs to release the actual Destroyer variant. If 2 Maddy tanks start fighting, The winner is whoever's hardeners last the longest. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 487	Posted - 2015.03.17 11:53:00 - [60] - Quote Also, The buff on armor tanks means for shield tanks staying at range. This is how it was a long time ago. A rail has 300 meters, Use it. Missile turret's RoF nerf really sucks though. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team

LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game RUST415 247	Posted - 2015.03.17 11:58:00 - [61] - Quote Armor tanks are great now, but shield tanks are kinda in the bad place right now.. I dont know,maybe its yust me but it seems that i take too much dmg from swarms while in my shield tank with hardner on.. We hawe to wait untill they fix shield regulators to be in the low slot,..I hawe a fit with 2 regulators now in high slots,and I love them.. I only use them on ADV tank with rail yust see how they work,..and I can tell you you almost instantly regen shields after taking dmg,..hell you can even rep your shield thru mdg if you hawe a hardner on.. I yust cant wait that ccp fix this shite so that I can fit my tank properly with two regulators in lows.. Shield tanks with 2 regulators and hardner are gonna be extremly hard to kill if you can use cover properly. You guys think maddy is OP...hahah yust wait to see real gunny with regulators And what dark cloud said,..the real shitstorm is comming ( -í° -£-û -í°) `Send your isk here! Fully maxed tank pilot.`
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 518	Posted - 2015.03.17 12:02:00 - [62] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Sounds like if you encountered a rep tank fit. It looks somewhat like this: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/12543 If he switched both hardeners on he basically had godmode and nothing could kill him except for maybe double damage modded large missiles. that fit would get mauled to death by my madrugar. love my blaster running damage mod/heat sink.... oh the joys.....when they fix that dispersion mod so its high slot...............oh the pain iam going to bring with a madddy fitted for pure AV.....well minus being able to escape unfavourable encounter. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game RUST415 247	Posted - 2015.03.17 12:03:00 - [63] - Quote And yeah your infantry tears are so delicius mmmmm Tanks are back ( -í° -£-û -í°) `Send your isk here! Fully maxed tank pilot.`
LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game RUST415 247	Posted - 2015.03.17 12:15:00 - [64] - Quote And one more thing... armor tanks are extremly powerfull right now yust bechause they dont hawe a decent couter to take them out... If they didnt nerf Railgun and Missles that bad.. then it would be much easier to kill them.. Hell even I hawe a problem to kill armour tanks sometimes if there is a good pilot inside,even with maxed tanks and turrents.. Missiles need some love,and rails need old heat per shot ( -í° -£-û -í°) `Send your isk here! Fully maxed tank pilot.`
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4246	Posted - 2015.03.17 13:39:00 - [65] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: New tanks are laughably OP. I troll around with dual hardener dual rep blaster maddy and i went 17/0 this morning while simultaneously playing hearthstone :D So easy :) Nice joke. Shield vehicles are basically dead, Armor actually works for once. Railgun/missiles are dead, blaster works against vehicles while they still miss infantry most of the time but more damage makes up for that. AV is so used to standing in 1 spot and getting a kill that they don't even bother moving now and complain when they get shot. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1588	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:06:00 - [66] - Quote I am so happy that I can really hate tankers again. I always hated them but when one on one was a fair fight it felt petty, now I can hate them with a clear conscience again. Because, that's why.
Medical Crash RED 0MEN. Ashtar Federation 365	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:34:00 - [67] - Quote Oh my poor Missile Gunlogi.......Baby is all messed up now. 90% of my SP is in Logis! More SP needed for Tank warfare now.
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1415	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:00:00 - [68] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This marduk was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. I'm calling lies Lets look at it like this So 3 light eye packed Av grenades do roughly 1500 damage, so that times 3 is 4500 plus your plasma cannon. Lets say you were running the basic pl which is 1300 damage. So altogether its 5800 damage. Now considering you said a harderner on there that leave 3 low slots available. Marrduk at basic is 1200/2100. So it cant be all reps other wise he would of died from your packed Av grenades. So there are diffidently some plates maybe even 2 plus the hardner. And you say he was at half amror when this happened, which makes it u believable He was most likely double hardner, double rep. But the more I think about how little his armor was reduced between my nades and the tank shooting him he could have been triple hardner. All I know for sure is my AV nades and another tank were doing nothing to him. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 42	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:02:00 - [69] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: A well fitted non-MLT armor tank takes at least two coordinated AV to kill now. Gone are the days of easy soloing armor tanks. Ah the zero-sum game is back.... force multiplier in effect.... reminds me of the good ol' 1.7 days... Its not true though. People just refuse to adapt their tactics to the enemy fit. Repping maddies have always been vulnerable to the high alpha strike of REs and Lai dais, and that is certainly true now. One guy, with the right fit, can easily solo a maddie. But not every AV fit can. I call that balanced. Well, balanced enough, still not a fan of 3 AV nades, but whatever. Shield tanks are in need of some help. Either fitting, or by stepping up the hardeners, because right now, they can easily be outlasted or ganked by any comparable armor tank. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game RUST415 252	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:16:00 - [70] - Quote Is any tanker here who tryed 3x hardend gunny? ( -í° -£-û -í°) `Send your isk here! Fully maxed tank pilot.`

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9960	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:41:00 - [71] - Quote True Adamance wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'll never take shield tankers seriously if they keep trying to 1v1 me in CQC. I just can't do it, just a few hours ago I took on an entire tank convoy of DUNA tanks in my gv.0 Madrugar. They were all ADV Shield Gunlogis with rails and lol blasters trying to take me at CQC. I even went against them 1v2 at one time but one tank couldn't even hit me because I kept circling around his railgun and getting rid of the shield blaster tank, then I killed the Gunlogi. Out of all tonight, upon all the burning heaps of tanks I called I only lost one tank and that was to a Rail Tank that stalked me only fired at me when I was dead out in the open. 3 shots, dead. The one tank I lost was to a person that actually knew how to use a Caldari Rail tank. Bravo dude, you did what 7 duna tanks and other randoms tankers couldn't do out of this entire day. You were ganged up on by blasters and rails and survived? yep, armor needs a tone done, reps, from the buff, that's just overpowered. And you do realize a maddy with nitro is better than a gunny? Moves faster. Why shouldn't a tank equipped with a Nitrous firstly move faster than one without and secondly be superior in close quarters combat if it can move faster than a tanks tracking capabilities? #1 I'm an experienced tanker against some duna scrubs that have to have duna fit his tanks for them. #2 Like True Adamance said, I as nitroused for half the battle avoiding the CQC rail(which overheated twice and then had to reload) I could focus all my firepower on the shield blaster (which I have natural resist to) #3 I guess since I've went 1v2 with an ion pistol against some infantry that means the ion pistol needs a Nerf? Have shield tankers ever thought of the possibility of getting good instead of bitching and trying to put your tanks in situations its not supposed to be in? Imagine a sniper running up to a shotgunner and then crying about loosing to a shotgunner, that's exactly what a lot of you look like to me. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1314	Posted - 2015.03.17 17:51:00 - [72] - Quote Tomorrow is my play day this week. I cant wait to respec my vehicle alt completely out of infantry again and spend all day burning money on tanks lol. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17724	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:38:00 - [73] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Tomorrow is my play day this week. I cant wait to respec my vehicle alt completely out of infantry again and spend all day burning money on tanks lol. Be aware too...though I haven't confirmed it. Redline timers now on HAV are misleading. Several times I've been destroyed with 4 seconds on the clock. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 166	Posted - 2015.03.17 20:37:00 - [74] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Duck. Duck Draconaquus Booooo, no one here gets your references, equine nerd. Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh! Incubi RULE! Pythons suck. 30% Logi, 30% Tanker, 40% Pilot
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3076	Posted - 2015.03.17 20:47:00 - [75] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This marduk was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. lol as if I'm going to believe that. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 488	Posted - 2015.03.17 21:01:00 - [76] - Quote Hmmm. Interesting. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1415	Posted - 2015.03.17 21:07:00 - [77] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: So I was running around in a scout av suit with plasma cannon, lai dai packed av nades and advanced REs. This marduk was getting shoot at by a friendly tank. He was in half armor, hardner active when I first saw him. I fired my plasma cannon and hit him, tossed three pro av nades at him, which all hit him. But by the time I reloaded my plasma cannon his armor was already back where it started. And the friendly tank was still shooting at him. By this point he was backing up, pointed his turret at me for a second and insta killed me. I fuking hate tanks. lol as if I'm going to believe that. I was in disbelief when it happened. But it did happen. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.


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