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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
2175
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Posted - 2015.03.14 00:48:00 -
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I haven't had this much fun with Dust in ages. The game feels fresh to me again, my melee fits are even more entertaining than before, and I'm finally able to kill rooftop campers without having to call in a dropship every single time.
Oh, I don't doubt that the jumpers will occasionally get annoying, but I don't think they'll be any more so than cloaked shotgun scouts or ScR's. I've yet to test anything but melee fits since the hotfix released, but I don't expect pure melee suits to be viable in competitive environments. They're good for putting down and clearing out uplinks and they're fun, but they can still easily kill themselves just from moving around the map, they possess very low HP (Assuming they're going for maximum jump height) and did I mention the ability to clear out uplinks without a dropship~? 
It might seem silly, but these new jump heights have solved a number of Dust's problems, including the dreaded railing of doom. I hope these things are here to stay as they are, and I certainly hope Rattati decides not to limit their numbers.
My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
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Vicious Minotaur
2157
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Posted - 2015.03.14 01:05:00 -
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My low HP Minmatar Sentinel can now jump over railing and pebbles. My mobility, in no way, negatively affects the game. Want to complain about Sentinels? Point it in the HMGs direction, and the mishandling of it by the DEVs.
My low HP x3 complex myofibril Minmatar Assault can be downed with:
A well placed SCR charge shot
SCR spam shots
HMGs
Good gun game in general
Again, my mobility is not overly detrimental. Annoying, yes, but wait until the meta settles. The novelty will wear off, and many will probably move back to damage/HP/EWAR mods.
Also, if you have problems with my myofibril jumping, base HP Minmatar Scout Nova Knifer, you suck. Flat out.
Game is more fun. Let the meta settle, and see what happens.
I am a minotaur.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
157
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Posted - 2015.03.14 01:34:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Overall I am not a fan. I feel like they just need to be nerfed down a bit. Jumping on top of a container is fine but jumping on top of a building is a bit much.
My ScR does not mind tho. All these shield scouts bouncing around with almost no HP mods on at all just love to die.
The rag doll if you catch them as they are falling is pretty great as well.
Then don't worry about jumping...? |
Proto Annihilator
16 Vandals
741
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Posted - 2015.03.14 01:37:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Overall I am not a fan. I feel like they just need to be nerfed down a bit. Jumping on top of a container is fine but jumping on top of a building is a bit much.
My ScR does not mind tho. All these shield scouts bouncing around with almost no HP mods on at all just love to die.
The rag doll if you catch them as they are falling is pretty great as well. Then don't worry about jumping...?
hey its the statement guy, with the question marks. Hi?
You look like a blueberry
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Mex-0
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
469
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Posted - 2015.03.14 13:50:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Mex-0 wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Mex-0 wrote:MD, FP, PLC users are for it, along with scouts and assaults. Heavies will be too when they get smart and realize they can dodge RE's. It discourages try-harding, and benefits all players. Win-Win-Win. No... It really doesn't... Heavies are spammed enough, now we'll have JUMPING heavies with frickin HMGs. It'll be like Scout514. You do realise the HMG just got nerfed...?
...I haven't been on lately
But today I saw a jumping heavy with an freedom HMG and 3 logis.
he went 21/2, it was pretty hilarious watching minassaults getting mowed down from above.
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
15500
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Posted - 2015.03.14 13:59:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:people actually are more concerned about jumping than the war barge? LOL
See, Myo stims are a major game changer that brings something fresh to the game and makes it fun.
The Warbarge I often forget exists.
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1145
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Posted - 2015.03.14 14:30:00 -
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I don't think they should have been this strong for the initial release. We were told that it would be enough to help a heavy maneuver better over hamster height curbs not super crazy jet pack jump mods.
/Faceplam
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4150
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Posted - 2015.03.14 14:47:00 -
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I'm pro jumps, but i also agree in limiting myo to 3.
In the fitting i've made 3 are perfect to have a very good mobility, they literally open new roads, without being able to touch the sky.
But i would like if everyone could jump freely, there should be a random chance of finding low gravity maps where everybody can jump and normal gravity where jump like that is impossible.
Pimp my Barge
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H0riz0n Unlimit
Dead Man's Game
523
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Posted - 2015.03.14 15:47:00 -
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I ve no problem with them but it seems they decrease framerate to an unplayabe level sometimes
manboar thunder tears fun. Alt of The KTM(FOTM) DuKe. No 16 ringers have ever beaten 16 D1CKS
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8499
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Posted - 2015.03.14 16:25:00 -
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I think I sum up my feelings on the myofib changes pretty well here. I could care less about how fun some people believe they are, myofibs are silly and their existence reduces Dust 514's appeal to me a great deal.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1578
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Posted - 2015.03.14 16:38:00 -
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Imbalanced matches are the biggest problem in Dust. I weigh the desirability of any new feature on whether it improves or worsens this problem. The jury is still out on this one. There is no longer any "safe" places, which means outmatched teams get redlined that much quicker and barricading, which is the only hope for outmatched teams to actually hold an objective, has become harder. Of course, the opposite is true and not having such well defined kill zones is beneficial.
Because, that's why.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
505
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Posted - 2015.03.14 17:13:00 -
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I didn't want a runny, jumpy arena rumble game in the first place. It is now more of that, not less. With jumping, anything goes now. Buildings make no sense, roles make no sense.
It is really just grab a gun and jump around.
Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
2193
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:15:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:I represent the fun police.
FTFY 
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)CCPArchduke
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
170
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:23:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:I represent the fun police. FTFY
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Timtron Victory
Horizons' Edge
435
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:58:00 -
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For one it has made high area camping more prevalent now that you dont need a dropship to get up, swarms are now useless to stop rooftop camping.
I hated the fact that this game as always been either join them or lose but at least there were some alternatives
like mass drivers/flaylock to counter strafers
nova knives/remotes/ shotguns to counter heavies
Now its either jump or be screwed, so I will be ruining 7K ISK suits until something is done
Feels too much like Super Mario...
RATATATAGäó
CCP WhoeverGäó
Proud Christian
Jesus Loves You
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2015.03.14 19:29:00 -
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It was a good change that changes the game ultimately and adds to it... Making maps actually make more sense as EVERYONE can play all the map with a few modules.
However it really shows the lack of Vision with efforts.. I don't know if Rattati's hands where tied or this was just a last minute idea...
It makes a majority of the, Weapon, Module and Suit balance efforts that have had Thousands and Thousands of hours spent on it from developers, to players, to CPM's.. Largely obsolete..
Alot of things will have to get re-tweaked... Forcing you to see the futility in actions previously taken, While playing the game now and seeing clear problems added to the balance...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8506
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Posted - 2015.03.14 19:33:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:I represent the fun police. FTFY  Don't worry Dreis, Super Mario Dust 514 is here to stay. Rattati loves the myofib changes so they aren't going anywhere; I'm still entitled to an opinion.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3527
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Posted - 2015.03.14 19:45:00 -
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My advice to anyone struggling with bunnyhop514 right now is to sit with your back against a wall/cover that cannot be jumped over, equip a scanner and play futuristic skeet with the jumpers. For bonus points, take them within an inch of death and watch the look on their face as gravity kills them.
To me, this game feels very much like the first week cloaks were introduced and everyone was instakilled by invisible shotguns. Just a lot of cheap deaths. Hopefully it will be dialed back a bit in the upcoming weeks.... |
KingBabar
Negative-Feedback.
2809
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Posted - 2015.03.14 20:17:00 -
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I have one suit which jumps high, with links, otherwise I fit 1 merely just to be able to move about easier, 2 on my MD fit for the luls. I have more suit without than with. I think a great deal of the community will chillax a little on the jump module "spam" once the novelty wears off. Its too early to evaluate IMO, let the meta normalize a bit.
That being said; I have never had more fun in Dust! My KDR is definately talking a hit when I bunny around with my MD.
I have absolutely no issues at all being killed by people with extreme jumps, they can still be shot in the air you know, there is very little cover up there, and they die really fast.
Another good argument is that the game feels like it has a lot more intensity and its more fast paced, which is a very big pluss indeed. I see a lot less camping now.
Whoever said something like "now its jump high or go home", really? I can play all day without any modules and still be all kinds of competitive. My performance in general seems to be better without modules than with, all though I'm not having as much fun.
And immersion breaking? I mean, if only we were immortal supersoldiers in high tech suits thousands of years in the future, oh wait....
Spkr4theDead wrote:
Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
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Kuei Li
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2015.03.14 21:37:00 -
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There are tons of no-brainer games out there that use this as 'gameplay' ... I picked a game that forced you to think about killzones, strategic drop spots, how to spend your skilpoints/isk to remain competitive. I can not see this helping the game, it just puts it in the same brainless games that are already out there, that have much larger fanbases and have a healthy future. Unique matters; the niche of the thinking mans FPS that made Dust514 a true CCP title. This change is frustrating and a disappointment
To add to the frustration:
- 2 x 15/5 matches
- 1 x 5 men from the same corp in full proto stomping 120 clones to 0 AND a destroyed the MCC
- 1 x cloaked scout taking two hits (one head/one body) from a maxxed out sniper, three max damage mods, and had enough
HP to run away
- Watched a tank caught flatfooted being fired on by two tanks, a swarm along with a turret and kill them all.
To many things wrong with balance, along with this terrible (especially super jump) change, made me rethink playing anymore. |
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SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
763
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Posted - 2015.03.14 21:42:00 -
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I am for it because it creates better game play. People who want to nerf jumping, and strafing, and such just want to force everyone else to play the way they want. I want people to be free to play as they like.
There is no sound reason to nerf any of them. |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
763
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Posted - 2015.03.14 21:46:00 -
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People who jump are easier to kill. A jumping person is moving in a very predictable way. I learned this years ago in Halo, and it still applies here.
It is against the lore to limit people movements. We are super soldiers in high tech suits. Quit thinking they should only be physically capable of the things you can do in real life.
Funny thing is I strafe while playing paintball in real life, and people act as if you can't do that in real life. Maybe they do not understand that they can turn at the waist. |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
763
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Posted - 2015.03.14 21:49:00 -
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Slow moving, stiff at the waist FPS games are no fun. They suck. They require no brain to play. When you increase movement freedom you increase the thought required to play, and the situational awareness required. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6685
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Posted - 2015.03.14 22:02:00 -
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I'm for it, but I think that the height is a bit too much.
I'm more of a grounder than a hopper. |
anaboop
The Phoenix Federation
Dark Taboo
160
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Posted - 2015.03.14 23:43:00 -
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Being able to fling nades REs and shooting over buildings or containers, is a joke.
Restricting REs and nades while airborne would be nice.
Restrict or lower considerably turn rate in the air for dropsuits.
I havent a problem with the jumping itself, just what it opens up to people.
Fully sick Anaboop trading card
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Mex-0
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
471
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:01:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I have one suit which jumps high, with links, otherwise I fit 1 merely just to be able to move about easier, 2 on my MD fit for the luls. I have more suit without than with. I think a great deal of the community will chillax a little on the jump module "spam" once the novelty wears off. Its too early to evaluate IMO, let the meta normalize a bit.
That being said; I have never had more fun in Dust! My KDR is definately talking a hit when I bunny around with my MD.
I have absolutely no issues at all being killed by people with extreme jumps, they can still be shot in the air you know, there is very little cover up there, and they die really fast.
Another good argument is that the game feels like it has a lot more intensity and its more fast paced, which is a very big pluss indeed. I see a lot less camping now.
Whoever said something like "now its jump high or go home", really? I can play all day without any modules and still be all kinds of competitive. My performance in general seems to be better without modules than with, all though I'm not having as much fun.
And immersion breaking? I mean, if only we were immortal supersoldiers in high tech suits thousands of years in the future, oh wait....
PLC, FP, and MD users will love/hate the new Myos. You can't kill another jumper, but you can rain fire and brimtone on enemies from above.
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Jathniel
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1498
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:28:00 -
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It's stupid and I hate it.
>_>
That said, I wouldn't mind the jump function being standard in the game.
I find it lame, because it's tied to a melee module.
Makes more sense for it to be on a kin cat. Seriously.
Why the hell does being able to punch harder translate into jumping higher? fk video game logic.
I would either like to see a system where, the longer you hold, the higher you jump on release.
Or I would like to see this jumping feature integrated into kinetic catalyzers.
But having it on myos is just dumb.
EDIT: If you want to buff myos, give them a recoil reduction bonus, so you can force people to choose between damage mods (dmg), extenders (def), or myos (melee/accuracy).
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
90
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:31:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:It's stupid and I hate it.
>_>
That said, I wouldn't mind the jump function being standard in the game.
I find it lame, because it's tied to a melee module.
Makes more sense for it to be on a kin cat. Seriously.
Why the hell does being able to punch harder translate into jumping higher? fk video game logic.
I would either like to see a system where, you jump higher (and use more stamina) the longer you hold, then release, the jump button.
Or I would like to see this jumping feature integrated into kinetic catalyzers.
Maybe it strengthens your limb muscles therefore the jump height and the ability to punch like mike tyson
How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
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Jathniel
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1498
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:32:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Jathniel wrote:It's stupid and I hate it.
>_>
That said, I wouldn't mind the jump function being standard in the game.
I find it lame, because it's tied to a melee module.
Makes more sense for it to be on a kin cat. Seriously.
Why the hell does being able to punch harder translate into jumping higher? fk video game logic.
I would either like to see a system where, you jump higher (and use more stamina) the longer you hold, then release, the jump button.
Or I would like to see this jumping feature integrated into kinetic catalyzers. Maybe it strengthens your limb muscles therefore the jump height and the ability to punch like mike tyson
Sorry. Edited late.^
It doesn't need any logic. It's just a pinch annoying to me, because myos are useless outside of lolz/trollz fits.
Even with the jumping ability, a fit is rendered gimped.
Some people see this as balancing. Not me.
Sacrificing general utility to jump a little higher doesn't seem to be working out for the jumpers much.
Jumping is fine. Yes. It's fun. But we can integrate it better than this.
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