The max DPS of a CR is below 430...
And any good scrambler rifle user easily gets above the 500 DPS. And even if it was 475DPS, it's still above any other rifle in the game while having a long range. To me that's the problem. The ScR completely breaks the range vs DPS chart and it has nearly no kick and dispersion (which is perfectly normal for a laser weapon, but added to all the other advantages it's too much).

Anyway, if as you say the ScR can't get above 6 shots per second, you shouldn't mind if the RoF is dropped down to 420RPM (7 shots per second)

Prove it.

*whispers : it's time to destroy all the evidences*

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rule braking is strong with this one

I never ***** on the forums ...but really this **** is getting to me .

First of all. The max DPS of the CR is 506.25-556.875, depending on tier. And while it too doesn't benefit from its full DPS, it hovers a LOT close to its maximum than the ScR does to its because the refiire rate of CRs is much lower.

Second of all. Variation and imperfect rhythm are the reasons for the ScR having a RoF that is higher than seemingly required. Some shots might be 0.15s apart, while some outlier shots might be 0.11s apart. By setting the bar so high, the user will never fire faster than the weapon will allow them, and therefor they won't oversample. It is to prevent oversampling completely, basically.

But you are halfway correct. I wouldn't mind a RoF Nerf, so long as it never, ever, goes below 525, and that is the only change...

Of course it's OP, but people keep thinking the heat mechanic compensates. Heat doesn't matter because the target is dead before the weapon overheats or you can switch to your SMG to finish the work. Even with the weapon switching you get the kill faster than anyone else would do with another rifle

When you take into account the minimal burst delay of the CR the DPS is about 430 (I wrote the exact number in another thread but I'm too lazy to find it). But I do agree about reaching that max DPS is easier with the CR.
Reducing the RoF to 525 would already be a good start and may be enough as we indeed don't have a clock in the finger.

No actual math or in game footage of said Op'ness?

It is balanced in a way that doesn't make too much sense for a FPS. The notion is that the overheat mechanic keeps it from being too powerful despite having some incredibly "efficient" (Rattati's word) stats for damage, range, a charge shot mechanic, and an increases headshot multiplier. "We averaged it all out and it turns out that the DPS is about the same as most other weapons" is my guess on how it was balanced. Obviously, in an MMO where play is really quite slow such as EVE, that works relatively fine. For DUST, where TTK is about 1-2 seconds, having a high front peak means potentially being able to factor eliminate someone before the overheat mechanic happens meaning that the balancing factor never comes into play. IE, "If Rogues had every cooldown for every fight they would be absurdly overpowered" and then Arena happened.

Is it too powerful? I dunno. I will say this: it is a weapon that is highly skewed towards shields (+20/-20) and is still used quite heavily despite the fact that Armor is generally superior to Shields or is at least used more extensively than Shields. When it was the Bumblebee of death, Explosives and Grenades disappeared in favor of Flux Grenades. The weapon is at least good enough to still be used in an environment that doesn't fully support it, which is nice, but I am still not sure if it is too good.

Believe me. I've ravaged the SDE and personally tested the CR to death to find out this true RoF with the delay.
Everything points to its absolute maximum RoF being 1125(which ends up being 6.25 bursts per second)rounds per minute, which puts its DPS at the 506-557 range I stated earlier.

The Scrambler Rifle is a MLT/STD pwner because of its very high alpha-damage charged shot. It scares the hell out of people, but you will probably overheat before killing any decent armor tanked suit. In that sense, the ttk is very low toward any low tank suit, but becomes significantly much higher against well-tanked suit. After all, the Tac AR has a much higher Dps both because of its more covenient damage profile and its higher base damage.
I'm pretty certain that any kind of nerf would destroy the weapon, but maybe a charged shot damage nerf ( and relative buff to heat buildup and charge time) would be accepted by both scrambler users and the others.

The ScR has the same headshot multiplier that all other rifles have.
Just pointing it out.

Its another one of the myths that are commonly stated about the ScR that isn't true, and in many cases, extremely exxagerated.

ScR sucks without damage mod... meanwhile you can run Cr without damage mods and still destroy everything.. even shields.

Yes many people think that the headshot bonus is related to the type of shot whereas it's completely wrong. So they think the ScR rifle has the headshot bonus of the ScP.
I don't know why people don't simply look at the numbers when pointing the weapon on a target.

Max RoF is around 850. Your numbers mean the burst delay is .01 second, that just doesn't make sense. Anymay, find me somebody able to press the trigger exactly .01 second after the third bullet has been fired. And even if it was the case, a guy able to have a such perfect timing should easily reach 750DPS with a scrambler

ScR sucks without damage mod... meanwhile you can run Cr without damage mods and still destroy everything.. even shields.

It is balanced in a way that doesn't make too much sense for a FPS. The notion is that the overheat mechanic keeps it from being too powerful despite having some incredibly "efficient" (Rattati's word) stats for damage, range, a charge shot mechanic, and an increases headshot multiplier. "We averaged it all out and it turns out that the DPS is about the same as most other weapons" is my guess on how it was balanced. Obviously, in an MMO where play is really quite slow such as EVE, that works relatively fine. For DUST, where TTK is about 1-2 seconds, having a high front peak means potentially being able to factor eliminate someone before the overheat mechanic happens meaning that the balancing factor never comes into play. IE, "If Rogues had every cooldown for every fight they would be absurdly overpowered" and then Arena happened.

Is it too powerful? I dunno. I will say this: it is a weapon that is highly skewed towards shields (+20/-20) and is still used quite heavily despite the fact that Armor is generally superior to Shields or is at least used more extensively than Shields. When it was the Bumblebee of death, Explosives and Grenades disappeared in favor of Flux Grenades. The weapon is at least good enough to still be used in an environment that doesn't fully support it, which is nice, but I am still not sure if it is too good.

Charged shot is not an issue.

And the scrambler is better than the tactical plasma rifle because its optimal range is much larger, whereas the plasma rifle is almost always going to be affected by damage fall off, and plasma rifle has more kick in ADS and hipfire and more dispersion in hipfire.

As for the "decently tanked armor suit" remark, Im running Gallente assaults with 4 complex armor mods that still loses half its health or more from scramblers in under a second. The damage output of the thing just isnt within sane bounds that all the other rifles have to deal with, and the overheat just doesnt matter because every fight that isnt against a brick tanked armor based sentinel is effectively over before overheat is reached. In fact I was running it with 2 armor reps, 1 kincat, 2 ferroscales, but I kept getting wrecked BY SCRAMBLERS in my armor suit with ~500 armor and 200 shields in no time at all. I brick the thing out and it still gets crippled in the opening volley. The thing is like an 80 meter range shotgun, can we just get it fixed already?

Its really too bad we dont have an anti-armor tac rifle that people could run that would force these people who just say to tank armor to wake the **** up and realize an entire line of suits shouldnt be made useless by one single rifle, because if they put a tactical combat rifle thats even half as strong as the scrambler people would be crying like little bitches all day long.

Rattati has noticed. Here is his post admitting it is the most "efficient" rifle of them all:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2587693#post2587693

Basically, he states that he won't nerf it until he sees more people using it.

I think he was pointing more to its kills + efficiency becoming the highest. In theory a bunch of scrubs flocking too it would make sure that it stops even being considered as "slightly op" as he said in another post.

No just going on over two years dust experience ...Like I said initially, I'm the last one shouting about op weapons but scramble rifle is starting to get under my skin...

And my two years of Dust experience means nothing when I say it isn't as OP as people claim it to be.

Between shoddy hit detection against our comparatively fewer shots, each one that misses or is rendered ineffective reduces the weapons DPS by significant amounts and also drops the lower than usual total magazine damage.

It seems to have better hit detection then most weapons tbh.

I really think the issue is the fact that bullet magnetism is still is this game, and it actually pulls the rounds into the target. Not to mention the ScR performs too well when hipfired(it's not meant to be a CQC weapon)

Saying that the cr is not ment for range but it does well at it. My point stop complaint about stuff. Try and counter it. If some guy is running a scrambled you know its not great at armor so run an amror based suit. In this game its adapted or die (simple as )