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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:26:00 -
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Could we please have this also include a reset to our current character's racial faction and bloodline information.
When I first created my account I only knew a little information on the eve universe and after playing for a while and becoming more interested in the lore (which as far as I understand is exactly what ccp were interested in doing when creating this game)
I found myself in the predicament of having created a gallente character when I would rather be a caldari merc. I also cant stand the gallente office personally.
I would even settle for knowing this would be an option if and when we move our characters over to project legion.
And I understand a few people here might argue that the lore of the universe wont allow such a change or the Skill tree is just a reset and not a complete overhaul and restart for a character but what I'm suggesting is simple edit to a database entry which is easy to do, its not harming anyone or anything in the community and is another feature that would keep me and others in the same situation happy as well as give me a reason to GIVE CCP MORE MONEY.
I honestly don't know why CCP don't implement a host of options like these in there store in dust and eve, its hurting their pockets which in turn is hurting their own self investment in their games causing their games to suffer. |
Apocalyptic Destroyer
Killers 4 Hire
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:30:00 -
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I want Amarr Race so badly. I'm all 100% Amarr except for my quarters and the pic
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ThePlayerkyle13
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:50:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Could we please have this also include a reset to our current character's racial faction and bloodline information.
When I first created my account I only knew a little information on the eve universe and after playing for a while and becoming more interested in the lore (which as far as I understand is exactly what ccp were interested in doing when creating this game)
I found myself in the predicament of having created a gallente character when I would rather be a caldari merc. I also cant stand the gallente office personally.
I would even settle for knowing this would be an option if and when we move our characters over to project legion.
And I understand a few people here might argue that the lore of the universe wont allow such a change or the Skill tree is just a reset and not a complete overhaul and restart for a character but what I'm suggesting is simple edit to a database entry which is easy to do, its not harming anyone or anything in the community and is another feature that would keep me and others in the same situation happy as well as give me a reason to GIVE CCP MORE MONEY.
I honestly don't know why CCP don't implement a host of options like these in there store in dust and eve, its hurting their pockets which in turn is hurting their own self investment in their games causing their games to suffer.
It'll be nice to see more Customisation in DUST514 & i can related to what you've said. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:51:00 -
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I don't see why not, not like the headquarters of CCP care much about us anyway.
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.07 21:32:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:I don't see why not, not like the headquarters of CCP care much about us anyway.
See its exactly statements like that that CCP should be taking note of. Its occurred to me that a lot of the community who play this game and may go on to play legion are left with a constant list of gameplay features, bugs or changes they feel very unhappy with.
dispite the players being passionate about this game CCP don't give much feedback on posts and the opinions of the community, players who have been very VERY patient with CCP and really do want to see this game life up to the potential it can be (just look at the dust 514 trailer again) |
Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.08 10:04:00 -
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I got lucky then,I chose the amarr when I first played and came to like being amarr but yeah I agree with this idea
How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
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DRT 99
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.08 10:32:00 -
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i played eve and did my research before i chose my race. fell in love with caldari's blocky awkward looking but lovable spaceships.
not a huge fan of my lack of face though. seems like an obvious oversight. |
Green Living
Gallente Gay Swag Club
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Posted - 2015.03.08 16:09:00 -
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We been asking for this option for 2 years. Good luck. |
Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.08 17:49:00 -
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Green Living wrote:We been asking for this option for 2 years. Good luck.
First off I REALLY like the corp name :D
Second I know, 2 years of asking for features that every other MMO style game with large skill trees have as standard. I just don't get it?? CCP are throwing away an avenue of making money they can reinvest in their own game and cause it to grow to be the game we all deserve.
I'm honestly dumbfounded every single time I consider this.
CCP
Brilliant game concepts.
An original take on an MMO.
The drive and talent to push themselves to build a game noone has made before.
Frankly no brains when it comes to growing an established game community.
Literally no concept of well established MMO shop options for users.
They've allready done what other company's haven't, They've ignored every good thing other games company's have done
drives me mad so it does, who's running the show over there?
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.03.08 17:57:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:I want Amarr Race so badly. I'm all 100% Amarr except for my quarters and the pic
you can email support and they will change you to an amarr quarters |
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.08 18:00:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:I want Amarr Race so badly. I'm all 100% Amarr except for my quarters and the pic you can email support and they will change you to an amarr quarters
Heard they dont do that anymore
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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
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Posted - 2015.03.09 00:47:00 -
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I agree with Cypher
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
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Posted - 2015.03.09 01:25:00 -
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I have zero desire for a respec but I would cough up the $20 and lose tons of ISK reskilling into the same things for a race change. |
Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.09 03:06:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:
not a huge fan of my lack of face though. seems like an obvious oversight.
If you have a face the enemy can shoot it?? an unbeatable strategy.
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XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.09 03:59:00 -
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Can't you just be a defective Gallente who likes the caldari?
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:48:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Can't you just be a defective Gallente who likes the caldari?
But the office and the suit are pissing me off, asides from the sure i guess. but why would i still be wearing their armour?
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:28:00 -
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After some discussion with a GM, I learned that there are no mechanics to change the race or gender of an account, even with a ticket, literally not possible I was informed not by policy but by limitations of the system.
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Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:48:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:After some discussion with a GM, I learned that there are no mechanics to change the race or gender of an account, even with a ticket, literally not possible I was informed not by policy but by limitations of the system.
I can understand they don't want to do it but that cannot be anything more then a lie.
All character information for each account would be stored in a database with entry's controlling character race, bloodline information stored as single number digits or strings, something that when accessed upon logging in dictate what office to load, and what race/bloodline information your character has, what basic default suits to load in for suit loadout's.
there is no other standard used for storing character information on large scale MMO like this.
In order to change an entry like this you just send a single string order to the database and it does it for you.
the fact that they have done it in the past also makes me question the validity of this GM's statement.
just to clarify where I'm coming from I am a games designer and programmer who has built several databases in his time.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:25:00 -
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Honestly I can all understand you concerns, I could not play this game if I hadn't a vested interest in the lore and the races.......
But I did my research before creating my character. Researched the initial factions from the early release and chose Caldari. After a stint as Caldari I eventually shifted over to Amarr completely abandoning and restarting my character.
I feel obliged to point out that you all could have done the same back then, there is no value in complaining now that you had not interest in lore or the races back then, nor is it a valid justification to introduce mechanics that completely undermine the value of having had to make such decisions.
Again while I sympathise I don't feel like this would be a beneficial mechanics to introduce in New Eden, especially when EVE players have never had this option and have "dealt with it".
What is your issue with RPing your loyalties rather than having to have two specific bits of coding assigned to your character, one of which only is visible on the forums because CCP don't allow Avatars or character creators for us.
E.G- Are you a Gallentean who works for the Caldari? Well good for you the Federation doesn't like you guys, if you are Intaki your parents may have been persecuted by the Feds in the Waschi Uprising and have taken shelter with Mordu's Legion or in the Caldari State as a Megacorporation employee.
Are you a Gallentean/ Minmatar who worships the Amarr Faith? You might be the descendent of an expatriate or former slave who has entered the armed forces and undergone psychological reconditioning and theological education, perhaps you were formerly a businessman with ties in the Empire and chose to live here after becoming friends with your Amarr contacts, or even simply a reformed individual who travelled to Dam Torsad and was amazed by the wealth of culture and majesty of the Imperial city.
Are you an Amarrian who doesn't want to work for the Empress [who wouldn't want a hyper powerful intimidating female overlord..... wife....whatever] you could dedicate yourself to the Sani Sabik, cultists who indulge in blood sacrifice, defect to another faction, perhaps renounce your hereditary titles and pick up a new religion in Gallente space or dedicate yourself to righting perceive wrongs against the Minmatar.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:53:00 -
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I and many other GAMERS playing this game were introduced to it as a free to play FPS linked to an MMO. an interesting take on a game never seen before. not everyone does their research first or indeed should have to.
Agreed, It is pointless to point out what I and many other GAMERS could have done, we sit where we are now.
You haven't stated why it would be a mistake to introduce the option other then "that's just how ccp works"
You stated that PLAYERS from eve have just had to "deal with it"
The character I play has is connected to me as a PLAYER, He should be what I choose him to be, his office should be the office I would want him to have.
You might have noticed I hi-lighted many words like PLAYER or GAMER. this is to emphasise there is a massive diffrenece between the characters in a game and the actual people behind them, something that you and CCP obviously have no grasp of whatsoever.
this is a GAME, giving the PLAYER control and options over how they play the game KEEPS THEM HAPPY. happy gamers (especially in free to play games) spend money and invest in your product, they also KEEP PLAYING. this grows the player base (In an MMO that's your number one priority or your left with a massive empty game)
PLAYERS shouldn't have to "deal with" the lack of options given to them by the developers of a game. they ether like it or they walk away
HELL you yourself have stated "I could not play this game if I hadn't a vested interest in the lore and the race" There is clearly something WRONG with a game if a player is making a statement like that.
CCP's attitude towards there game is what's wrong, there making it for themself's and not making it for the gamers who play it, that that my friend is breaking the first rule of games design right there.
but at the end of the day I'm just a gamer asking for a HARMLESS feature I would pay money for because it would make me happy to make the character I want to play as in a game I enjoy (inspite of CCP treating me like crap). screw me right. I'm clearly asking for too much.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:32:00 -
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I fundamentally believe it undermines the value of even picking the blood lines in the first place if all it takes is a small amount of Aurum to completely respin your character, moreover from an RP stand point is it a nightmare for continuity and conformity of character and likely to see many Dusters jumping between bloodlines and races as their feel is appropriate.
In a player base that wants to integrate itself into EVE online, and we should, this kind of mechanic cannot be allowed to exist.
Whatever you define Gamer or Player as its your business but this is the kind of decision you need to take responsibility for and one that appears in countless other games. When you created your character you had small segments of information explaining your characters race and bloodline, if you had read this they should have given you basis on which to make your decision either from a personal interest or cultural stand point, moreover as I previously said you could have gone further knowing this game was attached to a larger world as some did researched their preferred character type.
Assuming you did, even now X months/years post release of the game there is no grounds for demanding race and bloodline changes because your personal tastes changed. You are to live with your decision or do as I did and restart on a new character [aka this one].
These are not a lack of options, they gave you all the same options for basic race and bloodline traits as they gave EVE pilots and even they cannot fundamentally change these attributes. What I mean is that Dust as a game is unfinished in terms of in game content items such as weapons, vehcile, equipment, however this has no bearing on the core racial selections.
I do have a vested interest in the lore which is why I took the time to research and carefully select my characters traits in a manner that is no different to say playing Dragon Age Inquisition. Thought there are 3 classes, and four races you cannot in game change your fundamental race or class by any means, you make the decision prior to 80 hours of gameplay just as in Dust you make your decision prior to months of gameplay.
It's not a harmless feature as [mentioned previously] it undermines the fundamentals of our game being linked to EVE. If we ever expect this to be the case we have to go by the rules CCP has established for EVE online not our own set that we believe is harmless and convenient because it suits us.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:41:00 -
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And there's nothing wrong with believing that but at the end of the day this is a game, players with that believe have allway's and will allways be in the minority and CCP are hurting both dust and eve growth of player base and financial earnings by enforcing a roleplaying rule on the operation of their gaming franchise.
It exists in every other form of online MMO community BECAUSE its what the players want, quite frankly I have invested time and money in my character in dust and if I want to change some of his features (AND IT DOESN'T HARM ANY OTHER PLAYER PLAYING)
I shouldn't have to scrap my entire skill tree, time and money i've invested in a character just to change his fricken office and default race/ bloodline information
You do realise how completely insane it sounds for a developer to enforce such a stupid rule as this?
is it any wonder EVE and DUST 514 have both struggled to grow their playerbase.
So i'll state it clear for you to understand, you cant justify having no full character resets in the shop because eve does it,or because the lore dictates it, it is an incredibly stupid decision to make in a video game and CCP's approach in this and many other design decisions is why eve and dust both suffer from players leaving after a short time playing, players not spending a penny on content, players not even wanting to play the game in the first place.
Its just dumb.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:57:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:And there's nothing wrong with believing that but at the end of the day this is a game, players with that believe have allway's and will allways be in the minority and CCP are hurting both dust and eve growth of player base and financial earnings by enforcing a roleplaying rule on the operation of their gaming franchise.
It exists in every other form of online MMO community BECAUSE its what the players want, quite frankly I have invested time and money in my character in dust and if I want to change some of his features (AND IT DOESN'T HARM ANY OTHER PLAYER PLAYING)
I shouldn't have to scrap my entire skill tree, time and money i've invested in a character just to change his fricken office and default race/ bloodline information
You do realise how completely insane that sounds for a developer to enforce such a stupid option as this?
is it any wonder EVE and DUST 514 have both struggled to grow their playerbase.
So i'll state it clear for you to understand, you cant justify having no full character resets in the shop because eve does it,or because the lore dictates it, it is an incredibly stupid decision to make in a video game and CCP's approach in this and many other design decisions is why eve and dust both suffer from players leaving after a short time playing, players not spending a penny on content, players not even wanting to play the game in the first place.
Its just dumb.
The short answer to the long question is that none of this matters a great deal. Bloodline only means something to players who take the game the step further into role playing.
As for stations..... you could do that once upon a time. I was formerly in a starter station in Marthia, now my entire corporation is based out of our in game [RPed] home system, not really that it matters since we don't even use local chat......
Nor can you justify having them because your player base does not understand the term persistent nor because they feel self entitled enough to demands the developers change a decade of consistent game mechanics to suit themselves or because a player wants an Amarrian avatar on the forums and a tag in an obscure player card we don't even have yet that says Intaki.
This kind of small information only means what you want it to mean, if you value it then you'd stick by your choice. Hell my character's bloodline says True Amarr but the character is technically Udorian by birth, however Udorian is not an official bloodline and in the Modern Empire arguably indistinct from the True Amarr....though traditionalists will tell you other wise.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:04:00 -
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Those things are not important to you but there important to me, I don't like the office I'm loaded into and if i'ma merc should I not be able to pick my office
put the feature in the game, you have to "deal with it"
leave the feature out of the game, I have to "deal with it"
however having the feature in the game gets CCP more money to invest in their game, grows its playerbase and makes more people happy then unhappy.
your just being unreasonable now.
Why not give every player in the game a SINGLE reset on each character, they can only use it once that that's it. WOULD THAT SATISFY YOU??
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:09:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Those things are not important to you but there important to me, I don't like the office I'm loaded into and if i'ma merc should I not be able to pick my office
put the feature in the game, you have to "deal with it"
leave the feature out of the game, I have to "deal with it"
however having the feature in the game gets CCP more money to invest in their game, grows its playerbase and makes more people happy then unhappy.
your just being unreasonable now.
How so. I'm simply defending the current status quo that we adopted from EVE online when this game was actually intended to join into the universe that have.
-No respecs
-No name changes
-No Race or Bloodline Changes
The office thing I get, still not sure why we can't change any more since we were allowed to previously, though I think someone buried the code in one of the builds.
This game was supposed to be one where the choices you made had lasting repercussions and meant something, not things you could simply pay to wipe the slate clean of. The issue I have is why do you even need to change, you can fight for the Caldari now if you wish, having a Gallentean character does not change this.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Those things are not important to you but there important to me, I don't like the office I'm loaded into and if i'ma merc should I not be able to pick my office
put the feature in the game, you have to "deal with it"
leave the feature out of the game, I have to "deal with it"
however having the feature in the game gets CCP more money to invest in their game, grows its playerbase and makes more people happy then unhappy.
your just being unreasonable now. How so. I'm simply defending the current status quo that we adopted from EVE online when this game was actually intended to join into the universe that have. -No respecs -No name changes -No Race or Bloodline Changes The office thing I get, still not sure why we can't change any more since we were allowed to previously, though I think someone buried the code in one of the builds. This game was supposed to be one where the choices you made had lasting repercussions and meant something, not things you could simply pay to wipe the slate clean of. The issue I have is why do you even need to change, you can fight for the Caldari now if you wish, having a Gallentean character does not change this.
You can allready respec your skill tree in dust 514 and they have no stance to remove this, why stop players from also editing their character info??
they got tired of editing players details threw tickets i think, for whatever reason it sounds like a lot of the development team don't like to touch the code, that shows a lack of understand of it, which is a MASSIVE cause for concern.
I want to change the character to caldari so my login picture, forum picture, default frames and office all reflect the character I want to play in the EVE universe, its the EXACT same reason you researched and planned out your character creation, I just had the misfortune of having fun playing the game for months before looking up the lore and gaining an interest in the EVE universe
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Cypher Nil
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:46:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Why not give every player in the game a SINGLE reset on each character, they can only use it once that that's it. would this compromise satisfy you??
You also didn't answer my question, this seems perfectly reasonable and fair to everyone
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:58:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Why not give every player in the game a SINGLE reset on each character, they can only use it once that that's it. would this compromise satisfy you?? You also didn't answer my question, this seems perfectly reasonable and fair to everyone
That still fundamentally undermines the purpose of choosing and locking in these decisions not to mention opens it open to future abuse when people start complaining about how they never got the option to respec their races, etc.
Also bear in mind I believe when you create a character you data is saved on the tranquillity server so any alterations to that have to be done server side making the process difficult for CCP.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.10 01:01:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Why not give every player in the game a SINGLE reset on each character, they can only use it once that that's it. would this compromise satisfy you?? You also didn't answer my question, this seems perfectly reasonable and fair to everyone That still fundamentally undermines the purpose of choosing and locking in these decisions not to mention opens it open to future abuse when people start complaining about how they never got the option to respec their races, etc. Also bear in mind I believe when you create a character you data is saved on the tranquillity server so any alterations to that have to be done server side making the process difficult for CCP.
Your just not interested in making the playerbase happy are you?
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.10 01:06:00 -
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BTW a few years ago I made a large mistake in my skill tree (missunderstood the skill bonus's due to poor wording on CCP's part) and after submitting a ticket and explaining how the mistake occurred to one of their representatives they happily reset my skill tree to the day before giving me my SP back.
So please don't give me excuses about sticking to lore, dealing with mistakes made on accounts. this is still a video game and its suppose to entertain and bring happiness to people. not frustration and unhappiness. give the players what they want, stuff your rules m8
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.03.10 01:11:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:True Adamance wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:Why not give every player in the game a SINGLE reset on each character, they can only use it once that that's it. would this compromise satisfy you?? You also didn't answer my question, this seems perfectly reasonable and fair to everyone That still fundamentally undermines the purpose of choosing and locking in these decisions not to mention opens it open to future abuse when people start complaining about how they never got the option to respec their races, etc. Also bear in mind I believe when you create a character you data is saved on the tranquillity server so any alterations to that have to be done server side making the process difficult for CCP. Your just not interested in making the playerbase happy are you?
In some respects yes and in other no.
To some degree I don't want CCP to pander to pander to our whims. New Eden isn't supposed to be a casual experience, its supposed to be difficult, harsh, and amoral requiring more of the average gamer. At some point I want Rattati to get down off of his throne and scream at us "NO FOR FUCKS SAKE NO! WERE THE DEVELOPERS NOT YOU THIS IS HOW WE ENVISION THIS **** TO GO DOWN!"
On the other hand I know Dust needs a steady revenue stream and player base but I would suggest this requires the game to be fished and fleshed out as a whole in more important areas like core content, game modes, PvE, performance.
Not in areas like this were they further seek to monetize the game and trivialise the core design concepts that attracted the player base.
EDIT- As for the above post that depends on what the games core concepts are designed around. Some games are designed exactly as you suggest they are using arcadey mechanics and non punishing mechanics that keep the player from becoming frustrated. However some games do not and thrive on playing by harsher rules, by making the learning curve high, and the end game content rewarding and in depth.
Those are the games I love
Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls II, Bloodborne
Hell Divers
EVE Online
Darkest Dungeon
Etc
Richly thematic, fleshed out with back story and content, difficult, not immediately accessible but rewarding when the learning curve is seen to, unforgiving, etc.
It may not appeal to all gamers but will appeal to some in the same way your idealised version of Dust might. I however would like to see Dust return to its root instead of building to lame arcadey mechanics that pander to a gamers sense of laziness and self entitlement to be rewarded for the smallest and least impressive of actions.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.10 01:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
To some degree I don't want CCP to pander to pander to our whims. New Eden isn't supposed to be a casual experience, its supposed to be difficult, harsh, and amoral requiring more of the average gamer.
On the other hand I know Dust needs a steady revenue stream and player base but I would suggest this requires the game to be fished and fleshed out as a whole in more important areas like core content, game modes, PvE, performance.
Not in areas like this were they further seek to monetize the game and trivialise the core design concepts that attracted the player base.
I get where your coming from and doing every little single thing the playerbase wants WILL cause a game to fall apart.
I also get that New Eden isn't suppose to be a casual experience but thinking that making a game really serious and capable of catering to the casual players cant go hand in hand is, I think, one of the largest mistakes CCP has ever made, all of there games draw in serious gamers and that's perfect but Its an MMO universe, you HAVE to populate it with casual average gamers as well. or you end up with the situation we have now, a game that deserves a half a million players a day is just getting 30-40K at a time.
That does not mean ruining the experience for all the serious gamers, it simply means creating game space to cater for the casual's AND keeping things up to scratch for the serious gamers.
noone's going to be respeccing themselves every few weeks like you say if it costs 20-30 dollars to do so.
And what i think is hurting the growth of the games aren't rules like this or even gameplay, its CCP's complete disregard for helping new players get started, with starting a game in eve being akin to dropping a tadpole in a shark tank and dusts lack of tutorial or new players arena the games just drive off new players
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.10 01:34:00 -
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Demon souls: Been ages since i've completed it but can still go back now and enjoy its gameplay.
Dark souls One: I've a character on level 500 and completed a full Onebro run myself.
Dark souls Two: I've a character on level 680 or so, All dlc cleared and currently doing a no death, no bonfire run
Waiting for bloodbourns release before decided to play it.
Darkest Dungeon, Have it and taking a break from overplaying it, great experiense.
We clearly like the same styles of games. but you know it occurs to me, I personally felt that dark souls II was easier then the title before, they stated that they were making it more accessible to other players and I had my fears but in the end I was very happy with it, Prefer it to dark souls I but I like dark souls I's lore better. I was happy for the active server and increase in the player base despite the changes they made to make it a more accessible game.
Overall it improved. I feel that eve and dust could do with the same treatment. what about you?
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Jason1 Black
FACTION WARFARE ARMY
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:21:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Can't you just be a defective Gallente who likes the caldari? But the office and the suit are pissing me off, asides from the sure i guess. but why would i still be wearing their armour?
Frankly i got lucky to choose the race i like because i chose blindly whithout doing any research. Now dont get me wrong im 100% caldari but ive seen the gallente headquarters and they are pretty cool. Also you dont have to wear gallente armour as your default, just make one of your favorite caldari suits...... your favorite. Next time you are in headquarters youll be wearing that armor.
I love this game but it makes me rage so much.
Star wars battlefront 3 coming out, so excited!!
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.03.10 05:03:00 -
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O I know that, I mean the default free suits I get, there all gallente and as I use a all Caldari gear I have my shield bonus at +5, this doesn't apply well to free suits.
if I've died enough in a match or were getting smashed I switch to my free suits to conserve ISK. its a pain I have to gear up in gallente gear.
I'm all for preserving the concept of living with the chooses you make in the eve universe but there is a very thin line between having a player live with there choise's and punishing a player for a mistake they've made on there account.
there just HAS to be a solution that solves this AND keeps the eve concept alive as well.
@CCP give every created account a single character trait reset they can use once on that accounts lifetime.
RIOT games makes use of a similar system for players accounts allowing a player to refund a purchase on there store for free up to a maximum of three times on that accounts full lifetime.
Its fair and gives a single opportunity for a player to be forgiven a mistake they have made on there account without completely changing the lore or eve universe rules for the players.
were only human afterall
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