DUST Search - Someone explain the context of "Try-Hard" to me please.

True Adamance wrote:

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

xavier zor wrote:

A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt.

further explanation

I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used.

Well... it's more of a condition than an accusation.

Like say in an MMO, you get a top tier item with like 400 damage... and the guy next to you goes through a 40 hour quest just to get a similar item of 401 damage, just to boast about it to you. etc.

They do all they can to take all the tiny or absurd advantages they can get, just to keep their "status" as being higher than another. etc.

A good example of a tryhard in Dust, is anyone who boasts about their KD/R and tries to do everything they can to avoid being killed ingame. That way they slowly and artificially inflate their KD/R rating just to point at it as some kind of validation, even if it took 400 games of 2 kills and no deaths just to attain.

Okay and so the term is used by those who don't have that drive to preserve the status you were talking about. Which can basically be reduced to lacking a competitive edge that drives them to win?

Could you not simply put their down to personal pride...... no one really like to lose but if you don't pursue winning with intent or effort how can you expect to?

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17499	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:34:00 - [1] - Quote I need someone desperately to define it for me....it just strikes me as odd that the label is so often used, not just in this game but in all kind of games, for those who play in groups or with specific kind of weapons/equipment/etc. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
xavier zor 0uter.Heaven 697	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:35:00 - [2] - Quote A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation retired lurking replying
Patrick57 9787	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:35:00 - [3] - Quote it means you try, hard.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17499	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:36:00 - [4] - Quote xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17499	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:38:00 - [5] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: it means you try, hard. Why wouldn't you try? To make an attempt or effort to do something...... surely people don't play video games without a reason. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
xavier zor 0uter.Heaven 697	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:38:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. i re-edited my post retired lurking replying
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 551	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:44:00 - [7] - Quote Tri hard. Go absorb
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1392	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:44:00 - [8] - Quote Tryhard is a pejorative term usually used to explain why a person or group of people succeeded where they themselves failed. It is attempting to use the excuse that "I wasn't really trying" and "they were trying hard" as the reason for their getting bested rather than admitting "they are a better player than me" which no one ever admits. #entitledmasses "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17499	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:45:00 - [9] - Quote xavier zor wrote: True Adamance wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. i re-edited my post HEY I AM NOT A PUBSTOMPER! PC is just incredibly boring and doesn't align with my Timezone now that I am in full time work which is a shame.....even if it was operating out of a Minmatar region isn't exactly on PIE's to do list. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1132	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:47:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. Well... it's more of a condition than an accusation. Like say in an MMO, you get a top tier item with like 400 damage... and the guy next to you goes through a 40 hour quest just to get a similar item of 401 damage, just to boast about it to you. etc. They do all they can to take all the tiny or absurd advantages they can get, just to keep their "status" as being higher than another. etc. A good example of a tryhard in Dust, is anyone who boasts about their KD/R and tries to do everything they can to avoid being killed ingame. That way they slowly and artificially inflate their KD/R rating just to point at it as some kind of validation, even if it took 400 games of 2 kills and no deaths just to attain. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17501	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:49:00 - [11] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: True Adamance wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. Well... it's more of a condition than an accusation. Like say in an MMO, you get a top tier item with like 400 damage... and the guy next to you goes through a 40 hour quest just to get a similar item of 401 damage, just to boast about it to you. etc. They do all they can to take all the tiny or absurd advantages they can get, just to keep their "status" as being higher than another. etc. A good example of a tryhard in Dust, is anyone who boasts about their KD/R and tries to do everything they can to avoid being killed ingame. That way they slowly and artificially inflate their KD/R rating just to point at it as some kind of validation, even if it took 400 games of 2 kills and no deaths just to attain. Okay and so the term is used by those who don't have that drive to preserve the status you were talking about. Which can basically be reduced to lacking a competitive edge that drives them to win? Could you not simply put their down to personal pride...... no one really like to lose but if you don't pursue winning with intent or effort how can you expect to? "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5688	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:54:00 - [12] - Quote xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation: Pubstomper: Not a tryhard. They only know how to stomp noobs, and noobs only. They can't counter, only have 3-4 fits in their dropsuit fitting selection and never play/rarely play PC Tryhard: Usually an experienced PC player who stomps the shit out of pubs because they are so used to PC. They usually have 0 deaths, and WIN THE GAME "3-4 fits" some of us are just to ocd to deal with ccp's inability to make folders available to the players. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17501	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:00:00 - [13] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation: Pubstomper: Not a tryhard. They only know how to stomp noobs, and noobs only. They can't counter, only have 3-4 fits in their dropsuit fitting selection and never play/rarely play PC Tryhard: Usually an experienced PC player who stomps the shit out of pubs because they are so used to PC. They usually have 0 deaths, and WIN THE GAME "3-4 fits" some of us are just to ocd to deal with ccp's inability to make folders available to the players. I never understood the need to have more than half a dozen fittings.....maybe it's because I only used Amarr gear. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
xavier zor 0uter.Heaven 697	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:03:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: HEY I AM NOT A PUBSTOMPER! PC is just incredibly boring and doesn't align with my Timezone now that I am in full time work which is a shame.....even if it was operating out of a Minmatar region isn't exactly on PIE's to do list. basically if you have the gun-game of a god, and stomp in ADV gear you are good to go as a 'tryhard' be prepared to be labelled tryhard as well, depending on your corp retired lurking replying
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17501	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:08:00 - [15] - Quote xavier zor wrote: True Adamance wrote: HEY I AM NOT A PUBSTOMPER! PC is just incredibly boring and doesn't align with my Timezone now that I am in full time work which is a shame.....even if it was operating out of a Minmatar region isn't exactly on PIE's to do list. basically if you have the gun-game of a god, and stomp in ADV gear you are good to go as a 'tryhard' be prepared to be labelled tryhard as well, depending on your corp They can't declare PCLAS try hards.......we roleplay.... and Amarr right?! "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 7797	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:11:00 - [16] - Quote It means you are using an uncessary amount of force that is uncalled for. It's the equivalent to showing up to a backyard game of football wearing professional patting and with a strategy. It's unnecessary and classifies you as a try hard. Which is a misnomer since you should always attempt to win, but not everything you do should take much effort to give you an immediate advantage. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Diablo Gamekeeper T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 51	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:15:00 - [17] - Quote xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation: Pubstomper: Not a tryhard. They only know how to stomp noobs, and noobs only. They can't counter, only have 3-4 fits in their dropsuit fitting selection and never play/rarely play PC Tryhard: Usually an experienced PC player who stomps the shit out of pubs because they are so used to PC. They usually have 0 deaths, and WIN THE GAME Kaizuka the only one who fits that description.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2638	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:24:00 - [18] - Quote Means you die hard. :3 "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1132	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:29:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: True Adamance wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. Well... it's more of a condition than an accusation. Like say in an MMO, you get a top tier item with like 400 damage... and the guy next to you goes through a 40 hour quest just to get a similar item of 401 damage, just to boast about it to you. etc. They do all they can to take all the tiny or absurd advantages they can get, just to keep their "status" as being higher than another. etc. A good example of a tryhard in Dust, is anyone who boasts about their KD/R and tries to do everything they can to avoid being killed ingame. That way they slowly and artificially inflate their KD/R rating just to point at it as some kind of validation, even if it took 400 games of 2 kills and no deaths just to attain. Okay and so the term is used by those who don't have that drive to preserve the status you were talking about. Which can basically be reduced to lacking a competitive edge that drives them to win? Could you not simply put their down to personal pride...... no one really like to lose but if you don't pursue winning with intent or effort how can you expect to? Eh, it's not a pursuit of a victory status. It's a pursuit of doing something just to "appear" better than others. Hence the KD/R padding does not tell us anything about the player, just that they are pretending to have better kill ratios in normal combat due to falsified averages. And with the MMO example, 401 does no different from 400 in a vast majority of cases. They try to get "advantages" that don't actually have any benefit other than being a larger number, or "rare item" etc. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17501	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:38:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It means you are using an uncessary amount of force that is uncalled for. It's the equivalent to showing up to a backyard game of football wearing professional patting and with a strategy. It's unnecessary and classifies you as a try hard. Which is a misnomer since you should always attempt to win, but not everything you do should take much effort to give you an immediate advantage. But I simply don't understand that....especially when applied to video games. Unless you and I agreed to something before our contest, duel, match I have not obligation to pull punches for you. It's a Demon's/Dark Souls thing..... when I Gravelorded or was doing Forest Hunter invasions I was doing it to kill the host not show them a good time and in both cases if I wasn't pulling out all the stops I was going to get mobbed and killed in a 3v1 situation. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."

jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 210	Posted - 2015.03.06 04:13:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I need someone desperately to define it for me... You are chasing an impossible dream , sure you might get some people to define what "tryhard" means to them however it is suggesting the player exhibits "pathetic" behavior in an FPS, And opinions on what is "pathetic" vary wildly and are based on feelings not facts.
byte modal 111	Posted - 2015.03.06 04:41:00 - [22] - Quote i've always seen it as uncle joe, reliving his glory days as a highschool quarterback from two decades back by playing backyard touch football with the neighborhood grade-schoolers---only to bulldoze through the offensive line, grab the kid with the ball, body-slam him to the ground, then proceed to shout obscenities regarding what he did to his mother the night before against the clothes washer on heavy spin cycle, asking who was his daddy? "who... is your daddy?". that he, like darth vader, ...he... was his father. (that uncle joe was his father... not both joe and vader cuz well. that's just silly. not to mention the trauma that might cause the kid with THAT visual running through his head. i mean, he did just lose the game. isn't that enough shame on the poor kid? i don't even want to get into the thought of whether vader still had his original hand or that robot prosthetic one [freaky], or if it was the old bald and bloated death-bed darth or the youthfully glowing, yet terribly acted hayden christensen darth. hell. was THAT darth really even old enough to have fathered this kid? maybe yoda didn't mean leia when he admitted there was another ...[M. night shylamalalama (sp?) stays up with jergens, dreaming of twists like that!]..... it's all just too damn much for a still-developing 4th grade mind to comprehend. kids like that grow up to one day climb clock towers. there's a lesson to be learned here, btw). oh... all the while with slobber and strings of spittle frothing from his mouth. uncle joe's mouth. not the kid's. (or vader's) willful overkill? <---- two levels of meaning right there, y'all. like a friggin onion. just peel it back and enjoy the nuggety goodness of what i'm dishing out. hm. i may have strayed off topic a bit. sry. ..... uncle daddy joe---trying hard since 1994. 0.02 isk. =^.^= (meow) edit: typos kitten bacon taco (nom)
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2235	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:11:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Patrick57 wrote: it means you try, hard. Why wouldn't you try? To make an attempt or effort to do something...... surely people don't play video games without a reason. tryhards are easy to see in Dust because there is so many players around them that don't try whats so freaking ever. in most other FPS games you will find most of the players on both teams trying to win. in Dust you will see 4 guys trying against like 8 guys really trying then the rest of the players aren't doing crap. its the reason match making appears so broken on Dust but in fact there is no way the match making can know that it just put a bunch of high SP cowards all on the same team that never go anywhere near the letter for the whole game. KEQ diplomat
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 7807	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:14:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It means you are using an uncessary amount of force that is uncalled for. It's the equivalent to showing up to a backyard game of football wearing professional patting and with a strategy. It's unnecessary and classifies you as a try hard. Which is a misnomer since you should always attempt to win, but not everything you do should take much effort to give you an immediate advantage. But I simply don't understand that....especially when applied to video games. Unless you and I agreed to something before our contest, duel, match I have not obligation to pull punches for you. It's a Demon's/Dark Souls thing..... when I Gravelorded or was doing Forest Hunter invasions I was doing it to kill the host not show them a good time and in both cases if I wasn't pulling out all the stops I was going to get mobbed and killed in a 3v1 situation. It is simply a common courtesy that you grow up with or you don't. Some people will never see the point of showing sportsmanship against a lower skilled opponent and that's alright I suppose. It is just the way life goes. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2499	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:25:00 - [25] - Quote To me, a tryhard is someone who chases things like KDR a WL to the point that they are making the game less fun for themselves and everyone else around them. The kind of people that would run full proto in Academy Matches, if the game would let them... The game become more of a job or a chore to these people than an actual game. Duna, for example, is a tryhard. ...Douchebags, basically. Although, tryhard means different things to different people, but the use is always almost an insult. Home at Last <3
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2499	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:27:00 - [26] - Quote Stupid forums. Home at Last <3
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 155	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:35:00 - [27] - Quote If u run full proto 24/7 u might be a TryHard TeamWork>KDR losses only make the wins that much better
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17504	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:36:00 - [28] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It means you are using an uncessary amount of force that is uncalled for. It's the equivalent to showing up to a backyard game of football wearing professional patting and with a strategy. It's unnecessary and classifies you as a try hard. Which is a misnomer since you should always attempt to win, but not everything you do should take much effort to give you an immediate advantage. But I simply don't understand that....especially when applied to video games. Unless you and I agreed to something before our contest, duel, match I have not obligation to pull punches for you. It's a Demon's/Dark Souls thing..... when I Gravelorded or was doing Forest Hunter invasions I was doing it to kill the host not show them a good time and in both cases if I wasn't pulling out all the stops I was going to get mobbed and killed in a 3v1 situation. It is simply a common courtesy that you grow up with or you don't. Some people will never see the point of showing sportsmanship against a lower skilled opponent and that's alright I suppose. It is just the way life goes. To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve. I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1557	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:42:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I need someone desperately to define it for me....it just strikes me as odd that the label is so often used, not just in this game but in all kind of games, for those who play in groups or with specific kind of weapons/equipment/etc. You ever see a full grown man playing against kids and acting like it is a professional league match. That is a tryhard. Not only do they try hard, regardless of the context, they use every tactic and exploit to win rather than deliberately handicapping themselves so they could still try hard and not ruin the game for others. Because, that's why.
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 7808	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:43:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve. I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them. Sounds good in theory but it practice playing to your full ability through using the best equipment, the most effective strategy and having the best players on your team is not as great as it sounds. It diminishes the competitiveness of the activity by never giving the opposing side a chance and also you fail to improve by not challenging yourself. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.



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