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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.06 05:48:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:it means you try, hard. Why wouldn't you try? To make an attempt or effort to do something...... surely people don't play video games without a reason.
The label is typically used to indicate someone who places achieving a game's set victory condition as the utmost priority.
The impression I get from colloquial (and personal) usage patterns is that: "X is a tryhard" conveys that X uses a strategy that, while effective, the caller of "tryhard" does not think would actually be amusing to execute. Typically that's where a degree of opinion gets injected into the situation, so here's a simplified notion:
You and a friend are playing tic-tac-toe, with a third friend judging who wins and who loses. The third friend arbitrarily declares that the first person to flip over the table has won the game, and your friend then flips over the table. You call your friend a "try hard" because, though s/he fulfilled the arbitrary victory conditions, in your opinion the experience this instigated was not fun.
For a more classic example of a tryhard, consider a person who wears sunglasses (unironically) in a casual poker game among friends with no or little money on the line. Though this strategy is effective, maximum competitiveness was likely not the intent of the poker session. The douchebag with the sunglasses is a tryhard.
The term tends to cause controversy since opinions on what constitutes fun gameplay vary widely. To some, wearing full proto gear and brandishing fully-fitted vehicles in a casual, public match against opponents in numerically worse gear is the pinnacle of boring. It's not that this isn't the most effective way to achieve the arbitrary victory condition, it's that there is little enjoyment to be had in executing the strategy. To tryhards the exact opposite is true. For whatever bizarre reason, achieving the arbitrary in-game victory condition nudges the one to three brain cells that constitute these players' mental capacity into activity that vaguely approximates the feeling of pleasure fully-endowed humans experience.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.03.06 05:48:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:It means you are using an uncessary amount of force that is uncalled for.
It's the equivalent to showing up to a backyard game of football wearing professional patting and with a strategy. It's unnecessary and classifies you as a try hard. Which is a misnomer since you should always attempt to win, but not everything you do should take much effort to give you an immediate advantage. But I simply don't understand that....especially when applied to video games. Unless you and I agreed to something before our contest, duel, match I have not obligation to pull punches for you. It's a Demon's/Dark Souls thing..... when I Gravelorded or was doing Forest Hunter invasions I was doing it to kill the host not show them a good time and in both cases if I wasn't pulling out all the stops I was going to get mobbed and killed in a 3v1 situation. It is simply a common courtesy that you grow up with or you don't. Some people will never see the point of showing sportsmanship against a lower skilled opponent and that's alright I suppose. It is just the way life goes. To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve. I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them.
You think it is spirtsmanship for a 230 lb. BJJ black belt to play all out against a 130 lb. beginner? I agree with you if the beginner makes the choice to compete in an open weight black belt tournament, but if the black belt is entering beginner's tournaments then he is just an ass and a bully. Pubs are the beginner's only option, therefore they are begenner's tournaments and trying your hardest without regard to the level of competition is being a bully and an ass, not a competitor.
Because, that's why.
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Rogue Instincts Ashtar Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.06 05:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Patrick57 wrote:it means you try, hard. Why wouldn't you try? To make an attempt or effort to do something...... surely people don't play video games without a reason. Some of us play to have fun or unwind and do not take things so seriously.
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JL3Eleven
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:07:00 -
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I know the answer to this question as I have seen it.
The true definition of a "Tryhard" is:
Someone who has skill but relies on others to ensure victory.
They would run FOTM proto fits. They would only play in full proto squads. They would only play with the best possible players available. They would not attack objectives or hack anything. They enjoyed the outdoors so camping spawns was a given. They have level 5 grenades for sure.
And to cap it all off they thought they were the **** doing it. LOL.
I've only seen 2 people like this in my years of Dust.
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Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I need someone desperately to define it for me....it just strikes me as odd that the label is so often used, not just in this game but in all kind of games, for those who play in groups or with specific kind of weapons/equipment/etc.
Anyone who playing game for "notfun" ;p
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve.
I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them.
So you're saying that if a grown man punched an infant as hard as he could, because the infant tried to bite his finger, then that is sportsmanship? I would think not.
Sportsmanship has tiers of respect, such as making it known to your opponent that they are unlikely to win, yet allowing them opportunities to learn as you reach an inevitable conclusion of victory.
If you just beat your opponent as fast as possible, as soon as possible, then the opponent has no opportunity to learn. Hence bad sportsmanship, as you have shown no "concern for others as a person" etc. it is also bad sportsmanship for the loosing player to be confrontational for the same reason of "concern for the other as a person".
Poor sportsmanship is kind of associated with the condition, but it is not a requirement of any kind. Again, it is NOT about winning, it is about trying to belittle your opponents AS you win. Such as in some card games like Hearthstone.... It's clearly the final turn, and you could kill off the other player right now, but instead, you waste a few moves killing all of the loosing side's creatures before attacking the player to end it. Most people on the loosing side don't want to be taunted in this way, and the killing of the support creatures is pointless if you are just going to kill the player that same turn.
Another thing of note... when a person who is considered a "tryhard" is beaten, they usually express very adverse reactions toward a version of "winning" that they would have tried to hold above their opponents. In other words, they like it when they win in a particular manner, but they become very upset if they are the victim of the very same method.
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JL3Eleven
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:25:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:True Adamance wrote:
To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve.
I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them.
So you're saying that if a grown man punched an infant as hard as he could, because the infant tried to bite his finger, then that is sportsmanship? I would think not. Sportsmanship has tiers of respect, such as making it known to your opponent that they are unlikely to win, yet allowing them opportunities to learn as you reach an inevitable conclusion of victory. If you just beat your opponent as fast as possible, as soon as possible, then the opponent has no opportunity to learn. Hence bad sportsmanship, as you have shown no "concern for others as a person" etc. it is also bad sportsmanship for the loosing player to be confrontational for the same reason of "concern for the other as a person". Poor sportsmanship is kind of associated with the condition, but it is not a requirement of any kind. Again, it is NOT about winning, it is about trying to belittle your opponents AS you win. Such as in some card games like Hearthstone.... It's clearly the final turn, and you could kill off the other player right now, but instead, you waste a few moves killing all of the loosing side's creatures before attacking the player to end it. Most people on the loosing side don't want to be taunted in this way, and the killing of the support creatures is pointless if you are just going to kill the player that same turn. Another thing of note... when a person who is considered a "tryhard" is beaten, they usually express very adverse reactions toward a version of "winning" that they would have tried to hold above their opponents. In other words, they like it when they win in a particular manner, but they become very upset if they are the victim of the very same method.
You must have forgot the rule.
All is fair in love and war.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:34:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:True Adamance wrote:
To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve.
I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them.
So you're saying that if a grown man punched an infant as hard as he could, because the infant tried to bite his finger, then that is sportsmanship? I would think not. Sportsmanship has tiers of respect, such as making it known to your opponent that they are unlikely to win, yet allowing them opportunities to learn as you reach an inevitable conclusion of victory. If you just beat your opponent as fast as possible, as soon as possible, then the opponent has no opportunity to learn. Hence bad sportsmanship, as you have shown no "concern for others as a person" etc. it is also bad sportsmanship for the loosing player to be confrontational for the same reason of "concern for the other as a person". Poor sportsmanship is kind of associated with the condition, but it is not a requirement of any kind. Again, it is NOT about winning, it is about trying to belittle your opponents AS you win. Such as in some card games like Hearthstone.... It's clearly the final turn, and you could kill off the other player right now, but instead, you waste a few moves killing all of the loosing side's creatures before attacking the player to end it. Most people on the loosing side don't want to be taunted in this way, and the killing of the support creatures is pointless if you are just going to kill the player that same turn. Another thing of note... when a person who is considered a "tryhard" is beaten, they usually express very adverse reactions toward a version of "winning" that they would have tried to hold above their opponents. In other words, they like it when they win in a particular manner, but they become very upset if they are the victim of the very same method. You must have forgot the rule. All is fair in love and war.
Not true. Some Vsauce. For your pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThh3_Srxtc
In the case of the real world, the likes of ISIS are tryhards. ...again, douchebags.
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Damodred Matari
Heavy Support INC
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:37:00 -
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When youre constipated.
2160 no scoping the toilet yo,Rekt.
Goml.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:39:00 -
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Try-hard.
Something my corpmates and I get called for working together as a squad and doing our best to try to win.
Funny story, most nights my usual squad doesn't even run prototype unless we see other FA or Worthwhile people on the other team but of course the casuals don't know a damn thing about DUST so all they notice is this corp constantly wrecking their faces.
And this is FW I'm talking about.
Don't get me started on pubbers
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JL3Eleven
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:41:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:True Adamance wrote:
To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve.
I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them.
So you're saying that if a grown man punched an infant as hard as he could, because the infant tried to bite his finger, then that is sportsmanship? I would think not. Sportsmanship has tiers of respect, such as making it known to your opponent that they are unlikely to win, yet allowing them opportunities to learn as you reach an inevitable conclusion of victory. If you just beat your opponent as fast as possible, as soon as possible, then the opponent has no opportunity to learn. Hence bad sportsmanship, as you have shown no "concern for others as a person" etc. it is also bad sportsmanship for the loosing player to be confrontational for the same reason of "concern for the other as a person". Poor sportsmanship is kind of associated with the condition, but it is not a requirement of any kind. Again, it is NOT about winning, it is about trying to belittle your opponents AS you win. Such as in some card games like Hearthstone.... It's clearly the final turn, and you could kill off the other player right now, but instead, you waste a few moves killing all of the loosing side's creatures before attacking the player to end it. Most people on the loosing side don't want to be taunted in this way, and the killing of the support creatures is pointless if you are just going to kill the player that same turn. Another thing of note... when a person who is considered a "tryhard" is beaten, they usually express very adverse reactions toward a version of "winning" that they would have tried to hold above their opponents. In other words, they like it when they win in a particular manner, but they become very upset if they are the victim of the very same method. You must have forgot the rule. All is fair in love and war. Not true. Some Vsauce. For your pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThh3_SrxtcIn the case of the real world, the likes of ISIS are tryhards. ...again, douchebags.
You tried it. 3/10.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:49:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:True Adamance wrote:
To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve.
I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them.
So you're saying that if a grown man punched an infant as hard as he could, because the infant tried to bite his finger, then that is sportsmanship? I would think not. Sportsmanship has tiers of respect, such as making it known to your opponent that they are unlikely to win, yet allowing them opportunities to learn as you reach an inevitable conclusion of victory. If you just beat your opponent as fast as possible, as soon as possible, then the opponent has no opportunity to learn. Hence bad sportsmanship, as you have shown no "concern for others as a person" etc. it is also bad sportsmanship for the loosing player to be confrontational for the same reason of "concern for the other as a person". Poor sportsmanship is kind of associated with the condition, but it is not a requirement of any kind. Again, it is NOT about winning, it is about trying to belittle your opponents AS you win. Such as in some card games like Hearthstone.... It's clearly the final turn, and you could kill off the other player right now, but instead, you waste a few moves killing all of the loosing side's creatures before attacking the player to end it. Most people on the loosing side don't want to be taunted in this way, and the killing of the support creatures is pointless if you are just going to kill the player that same turn. Another thing of note... when a person who is considered a "tryhard" is beaten, they usually express very adverse reactions toward a version of "winning" that they would have tried to hold above their opponents. In other words, they like it when they win in a particular manner, but they become very upset if they are the victim of the very same method. You must have forgot the rule. All is fair in love and war. Not true. Some Vsauce. For your pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThh3_SrxtcIn the case of the real world, the likes of ISIS are tryhards. ...again, douchebags. You tried it. 3/10.
But do I try it... hard?
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:50:00 -
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Eeeh... one of the primary features of a "tryhard' is that they have the option to NOT be that way anymore.
ISIS is... well... Many people who are involved are forced to on threat of death.
I could go on, but I don't think that particular tangent would support this topic any more.
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JL3Eleven
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:52:00 -
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link fail. So no. You try but don't have skill.
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xCosmic Voidx
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Posted - 2015.03.06 07:09:00 -
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A try hard doesn't actually try hard. He uses the most op weapons and exploits mechanics. Tryhard is a sarcastic term
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Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.06 08:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I need someone desperately to define it for me....it just strikes me as odd that the label is so often used, not just in this game but in all kind of games, for those who play in groups or with specific kind of weapons/equipment/etc.
being better than everyone.
6 man proto squad errday.
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