DUST Search - Someone explain the context of "Try-Hard" to me please.

True Adamance wrote:

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

xavier zor wrote:

A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt.

further explanation

I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used.

Well... it's more of a condition than an accusation.

Like say in an MMO, you get a top tier item with like 400 damage... and the guy next to you goes through a 40 hour quest just to get a similar item of 401 damage, just to boast about it to you. etc.

They do all they can to take all the tiny or absurd advantages they can get, just to keep their "status" as being higher than another. etc.

A good example of a tryhard in Dust, is anyone who boasts about their KD/R and tries to do everything they can to avoid being killed ingame. That way they slowly and artificially inflate their KD/R rating just to point at it as some kind of validation, even if it took 400 games of 2 kills and no deaths just to attain.

Okay and so the term is used by those who don't have that drive to preserve the status you were talking about. Which can basically be reduced to lacking a competitive edge that drives them to win?

Could you not simply put their down to personal pride...... no one really like to lose but if you don't pursue winning with intent or effort how can you expect to?


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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1132	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:47:00 - [1] - Quote True Adamance wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. Well... it's more of a condition than an accusation. Like say in an MMO, you get a top tier item with like 400 damage... and the guy next to you goes through a 40 hour quest just to get a similar item of 401 damage, just to boast about it to you. etc. They do all they can to take all the tiny or absurd advantages they can get, just to keep their "status" as being higher than another. etc. A good example of a tryhard in Dust, is anyone who boasts about their KD/R and tries to do everything they can to avoid being killed ingame. That way they slowly and artificially inflate their KD/R rating just to point at it as some kind of validation, even if it took 400 games of 2 kills and no deaths just to attain. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1132	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:29:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: True Adamance wrote: xavier zor wrote: A 'try-hard' is a label by somebody who is butthurt. further explanation I don't need to know who uses the label simply what they think it means. Possibly even why it might be used. Well... it's more of a condition than an accusation. Like say in an MMO, you get a top tier item with like 400 damage... and the guy next to you goes through a 40 hour quest just to get a similar item of 401 damage, just to boast about it to you. etc. They do all they can to take all the tiny or absurd advantages they can get, just to keep their "status" as being higher than another. etc. A good example of a tryhard in Dust, is anyone who boasts about their KD/R and tries to do everything they can to avoid being killed ingame. That way they slowly and artificially inflate their KD/R rating just to point at it as some kind of validation, even if it took 400 games of 2 kills and no deaths just to attain. Okay and so the term is used by those who don't have that drive to preserve the status you were talking about. Which can basically be reduced to lacking a competitive edge that drives them to win? Could you not simply put their down to personal pride...... no one really like to lose but if you don't pursue winning with intent or effort how can you expect to? Eh, it's not a pursuit of a victory status. It's a pursuit of doing something just to "appear" better than others. Hence the KD/R padding does not tell us anything about the player, just that they are pretending to have better kill ratios in normal combat due to falsified averages. And with the MMO example, 401 does no different from 400 in a vast majority of cases. They try to get "advantages" that don't actually have any benefit other than being a larger number, or "rare item" etc. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1132	Posted - 2015.03.06 06:21:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: To me sportsmanship is playing to the best of your ability when you can. Holding back even against a less skilled opponent is not doing them a courtesy. What is courteous in my mind is taking that win with dignity and respect to your opponent, not calling them out on being less skilled, and giving them encouragement to improve. I feel that people should learn to accept the adversity they face daily and seek to move past it. Doing so not only benefits them but those around them. So you're saying that if a grown man punched an infant as hard as he could, because the infant tried to bite his finger, then that is sportsmanship? I would think not. Sportsmanship has tiers of respect, such as making it known to your opponent that they are unlikely to win, yet allowing them opportunities to learn as you reach an inevitable conclusion of victory. If you just beat your opponent as fast as possible, as soon as possible, then the opponent has no opportunity to learn. Hence bad sportsmanship, as you have shown no "concern for others as a person" etc. it is also bad sportsmanship for the loosing player to be confrontational for the same reason of "concern for the other as a person". Poor sportsmanship is kind of associated with the condition, but it is not a requirement of any kind. Again, it is NOT about winning, it is about trying to belittle your opponents AS you win. Such as in some card games like Hearthstone.... It's clearly the final turn, and you could kill off the other player right now, but instead, you waste a few moves killing all of the loosing side's creatures before attacking the player to end it. Most people on the loosing side don't want to be taunted in this way, and the killing of the support creatures is pointless if you are just going to kill the player that same turn. Another thing of note... when a person who is considered a "tryhard" is beaten, they usually express very adverse reactions toward a version of "winning" that they would have tried to hold above their opponents. In other words, they like it when they win in a particular manner, but they become very upset if they are the victim of the very same method. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1132	Posted - 2015.03.06 06:50:00 - [4] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Not true. Some Vsauce. For your pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThh3_Srxtc In the case of the real world, the likes of ISIS are tryhards. ...again, douchebags. Eeeh... one of the primary features of a "tryhard' is that they have the option to NOT be that way anymore. ISIS is... well... Many people who are involved are forced to on threat of death. I could go on, but I don't think that particular tangent would support this topic any more. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.