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KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nos Nothi 239	Posted - 2015.02.22 17:50:00 - [1] - Quote New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 541	Posted - 2015.02.22 17:53:00 - [2] - Quote Let me play the worlds smallest violin for you and ask what isn't killing the game? Poorly fit proto suits with basic weapons and mods and 3,000 ISK cheaper loadouts will be added to the list. The State will always survive.
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nos Nothi 240	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:09:00 - [3] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Let me play the worlds smallest violin for you and ask what isn't killing the game? Poorly fit proto suits with basic weapons and mods and 3,000 ISK cheaper loadouts will be added to the list. Obviously you didn't read my entire post. This is new ended you can do whatever you please so long as you pay the price. Nothing is free, replace BPOs with skins and remove apex suits, they totally break immersion. I enjoy being immersed in my gaming, to eel like its surreal. When people can hrs have INFINATE of string it ruins the immersion. Make it like eve where everything is manufactured by players and sold, and skins are also build able, with the right BpCs Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream The Ditanian Alliance 670	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:12:00 - [4] - Quote Well to be practical, the only way that Dust can really survive and become something greater is if they get more money, the Apex suits were a good cash grab, and will most likely help Dust in the long run. 01101100 01101111 01101100 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001
diablo gamekeeper T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:12:00 - [5] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Let me play the worlds smallest violin for you and ask what isn't killing the game? Poorly fit proto suits with basic weapons and mods and 3,000 ISK cheaper loadouts will be added to the list. Obviously you didn't read my entire post. This is new ended you can do whatever you please so long as you pay the price. Nothing is free, replace BPOs with skins and remove apex suits, they totally break immersion. I enjoy being immersed in my gaming, to eel like its surreal. When people can hrs have INFINATE of string it ruins the immersion. Make it like eve where everything is manufactured by players and sold, and skins are also build able, with the right BpCs Need a wamburger and some french cries? Number 1. Dust isnt set up to build stuff. Number 2. You should be farming kills off those suits. There super easy to kill. Number 3. Stop your complaining everything in the game is messed up...so sh.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6092	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:13:00 - [6] - Quote Without BPOs you'd have more fun watching paint dry. The payouts are too low to support putting up an effort for below average players. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 410	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:18:00 - [7] - Quote So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6092	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:21:00 - [8] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 229	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:23:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. Let them wallow in darkness as we pad our k/d.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6092	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:28:00 - [10] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. Let them wallow in darkness as we pad our k/d. I'd love to, but sometimes I do stupid stuff like spawn at camped CRUs in a heavy multiple times to make campers earn it. If I could only make myself snipe in those matches I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.

JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 722	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:28:00 - [11] - Quote Like if Apex dropsuits are soo OP. The only proto about it is the Dropsuit while the rest is just basic stuff = ok. Now I'm grinding for LP again for another Apex. If only people would PLAY FW MORE!!! MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1972	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:33:00 - [12] - Quote I couldn't help reading this post in the old guy's voice. I can see where you're trying to go, but MAG had a similar slogan going for it, and yet... all those battles, all those wins and losses, every game that was played on it never changed a thing. The big Shadow War was never altered in any way, maps weren't changed over time, factions didn't gain or lose control of an area... no matter how much you won or lost, everything remained as it was outside of the introduction of a few new armor types. PC is currently the only mode that actually has consequences for the Dust player. Everything else remains stagnant, unchanging. The only ones who actually suffer a consequence for taking a sniper round to the head are the newer players and those few who don't know how to manage their Isk. Everyone else has millions if not billions stockpiled, and short of CCP resetting all the Isk and assets in this game, nothing will change that. I don't even have that much in comparison to some players, yet I can still chug through a dozen or more proto suits in a match and have it not even scratch my wallet. And as for the APEX and other BPO's being free... they're not. Whether by real world money or grinding, they're far from "free". I chugged through thirty million to get mine, and plenty of people have paid actual cash for them, thus supporting this addicting game we're all hooked on and showing both CCP and Sony that it's not dead in the water. I want to punch.
Vapor Forseti Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1804	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:34:00 - [13] - Quote diablo gamekeeper wrote: Need a wamburger and some french cries? Wut. Dust has ruined me.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1090	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:46:00 - [14] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Build them with WHAT? We have no PvEvP area to fuss over in which to attain ores etc. We only have battle areas. If you want your scarce item drops to completely vanish, and your ISK income to be cut to near nothing, then loot would probably drop from battles that would replace all of what we currently have. Which is nothing. There is no "economy" because there is no larger game field to tie this into. A series of isolated battles in little resetable rooms has no effect on anything, nor can it really. Also, New Eden has severe and massive limits, for example, after your ship has been blown up, you can't use the scraps as a trap to kill your attacker. You cannot board another persons ship to hijack it unless given explicit control for it. You cannot break into a Corporation's bank from the outside, run around and steal all the money without having joined the corporation, and given enough rank to do such. You cannot..... well. basically, it's a very padded environment, because you can only do things as a part of what is the expected, just like any other game I've played. It's not much different from many Korean MMO's where you drop all of your inventory and gear on death, with the entire world being a massive PvP environment. Imagine how it would be if you lost all of your skills on death as well? Some games do that. EvE pampers you, and does not. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 923	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:47:00 - [15] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. First of all they are not free. Second if you dont like APEX its basicaly less OP suit than even some std. Third in EvE they have BPO as well. "Sebiestor Tinker/Hetzer" "Corrosive Supporter/Synergist" "We build from Rust"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18700	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:58:00 - [16] - Quote Dust =/= Eve The amount of crap we destroyed in our own isk rivals eve's entire economy just to give an idea. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4398	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:25:00 - [17] - Quote Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 230	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:28:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations.
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 571	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:32:00 - [19] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The payouts are too low to support putting up an effort for below average players. I'm reading this with a considerable amount of incredulity. Ask yourself, why are the payouts so low? The answer is simple; BPO's. Killing them pays next to nothing, killing a limited version of the exact same fit pays considerably more. Using APEX as an example, they should modify what comes pre-loaded. So that it's either just the suit and weapons, or just the suit and mods, leaving the user to add the rest. This would definitely increase payouts from killing APEX suits. Or, alternatively, remove APEX as BPO's entirely and instead sell them in batches of 100 valid identical fits for a reduce in isk/lp cost. Payout still increases, and fw activity increases. Two birds, one stone Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18702	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:33:00 - [20] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 230	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:34:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 399	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:41:00 - [22] - Quote Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? Remove Proto? Sounds great! M.I does the dying. Fleet does the flying. Private Beta Veteran
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2888	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:44:00 - [23] - Quote Out of all the issues this game has or has had in the past, you pick BPOs as the one that "ruined this game"? I don't even know where to start. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 571	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:45:00 - [24] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? I don't know where you heard that, but it's horribly incorrect. Coming top with 2000+wp, at 25+ kills usually nets around 300-400k isk, unless there are a lot of BPO's on the enemy team, then you're looking at less than 200k. It's a very noticeable difference, how people don't notice it is beyond me. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 230	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:45:00 - [25] - Quote I must be out of line. Looking to a cpm for answers has always been silly. Asking IWS for enlightenment is just laughable. My bad.
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 399	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:47:00 - [26] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? I don't know where you heard that, but it's horribly incorrect. Coming top with 2000+wp, at 25+ kills usually nets around 300-400k isk, unless there are a lot of BPO's on the enemy team, then you're looking at less than 200k. It's a very noticeable difference, how people don't notice it is beyond me. Heard it from the Devs a couple of years ago. So it just might be out of date/invalid. Remove Proto? Sounds great! M.I does the dying. Fleet does the flying. Private Beta Veteran
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1562	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:50:00 - [27] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? I don't know where you heard that, but it's horribly incorrect. Coming top with 2000+wp, at 25+ kills usually nets around 300-400k isk, unless there are a lot of BPO's on the enemy team, then you're looking at less than 200k. It's a very noticeable difference, how people don't notice it is beyond me. The word you're looking for is MILITIA not BPO. Wolfman told us this literally years ago when this argument was first made. Unless THAT formula has been changed in the numerous tweaks to match payouts, makuta is correct. In favor of removing vehicles only so Spkr quits everything.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18702	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:52:00 - [28] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6323	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:58:00 - [29] - Quote Let's say you will ALWAYS die 5 times in a match, whether stomped or not. Let's also say you average a 200k isk payout each match. If you use a fully BPO suit (STD suit and weapons, MLT Mods and equipment), you earn 200k isk. Enough for 1 proto fit. What does the average STD fit cost? 16k? If you lose 5 of those fits, that's 80k isk lost each game, which is a profit of 120k isk per game. Enough for a decent proto fit, but probably not fully PRO. As you can see, 80k is the only difference per game which isn't much of you're willing to run below proto gear, and mlt gear runs worse fits in certain modules. The only one on top of my head is the Shield Regulator. MLT gives a 10% boost, while STD gives 15%.
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 248	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:00:00 - [30] - Quote I don't see the problem with traditional BPO suits (like Dren, Covenant, and as you said the Kalaakiota c-I [...]) The economy is only ~3.000 ISK And for weapon, only ~1.000/2.000 ISK But you have to pay modules. So for example, one of my fit, dragonfly caldari assault, with 2 BPO weapons, cost 17.000 ISK just because off modules. My economy is about ~4.500 ISK So I don't see a real problem. For me the problem is APEX suits. A BPO dropsuit, totaly free and really good fitted so for me those suits are the bad thing in the game. Now, I se so many APEX suits on the battlefront.... Because players want to spare ISK...... not to play, stop ISK payout etc... And I don't talk about the f****** bug on those suits, and the OP things.... The Amarr and Minmatar heavy are just OP that's amazing !!!! My god ! I'm sorry for my bad English writting and comprehension.

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 232	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:01:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected lol
Boundless Kin Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:03:00 - [32] - Quote What's really going on "tinfoil hat"
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 450	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:10:00 - [33] - Quote CCP should make them stronger, but add the resources to produce them, and add a salvage gamemode where these items usually drop, but not in great numbers the better the bpo the more resources it requires. The faction faction bpo's should be the best Kallakiota ect with the limited time bpo's like templar up there aswell. Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11040	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:13:00 - [34] - Quote The two economies are not likely to merge anyways unless CCP does change their mind (which they have before). If they change their mind, and the BPOs do get changed, then CCP will need to refund the AUR on all of them if they are removed from the inventory of players. If removed from inventory, a bunch of players, like me, who have spent just about 100 AUR per BPO back in the early days before the prices were jacked up, stand to gain a ridiculous amount of FREE AURUM which will be the equivalent of CCP hemorrhaging money and thus could hurt Dust development due to loss of revenue as a result. Even if the BPOs are just modified to Eve standards and never removed, they will likely have to be refunded anyways as there are many players who bought them specifically because of the ability to not spend ISK on them. They never spent them just because of the looks. Also, Templar suits would have to be refunded and those don't cost AUR. They cost actual real-world cash to get as you can only acquire them from the Eve: The Second Decade Collector's Edition box set from their Eve Online website. Not to mention that the codes for these Templar items were traded away for ISK with other players and thus they will be affected. So how will they be reimbursed if they didn't pay cash for it? Who gets reimbursed? The buyer or the seller? The alternative would be to just stop selling BPOs directly -- with the exception of the LP variant APEX suits and other BPOs that can be acquired through some in-game grinding -- while letting the current owners keep the BPOs they have 'AS IS' without any modifications. Boosters and other AUR consumables seem to be something of a stable revenue source since players will always have to replenish those. Especially boosters that are 7-30 days long. I have yet to see anyone salvage an LP booster at this stage. Rolling over the Daily Missions and the EOM instant boost seem to be another stable revenue source. Warbarge Components, not so much considering you can grind for the components as either salvage, Daily Missions, or in strongboxes so there is not much incentive to spend AUR on them unless you are really that impatient for something that is so passive. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 450	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:16:00 - [35] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: CCP should make them stronger, but add the resources to produce them, and add a salvage gamemode where these items usually drop, but not in great numbers the better the bpo the more resources it requires. The faction faction bpo's should be the best Kallakiota ect with the limited time bpo's like templar up there aswell. Oh and this should only occur after the game is balanced and making money off of it self and has a good average playerbase. Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1014	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:18:00 - [36] - Quote APEX suits help: -Players looking to grind ISK in pubs -CCP looking to increase revenue -This entire community through CCP having more development money I really don't see a downside to them. I don't mind seeing "standardized" racial fits in pubs and FW, with players still having every option in the world to make far better customized fits. They are good enough that a lot of players would want to use them, but not good enough that they are anywhere near OP. You really want to bankrupt newberries in pubs that bad that you think they should be removed? You want to hurt someones wallet then play a competitive game mode like PC where you'll never ever see a BPO of any type. Who cares what some sniper has to say. CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17193	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:22:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected Dat IWS is low. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
TritusX PH4NT0M5 307	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:23:00 - [38] - Quote Eh. I need money, and don't feel like losing 500k a match just because a squad decides that they want to feel better that day. Killer of Grand Master Kubo by a shotgun, Gav by a BAR, and countless others
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 450	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:24:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected lol Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 28	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:26:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Says someone who is only told what CCP wants him to hear and is bound by NDA to not share any of that.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11040	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:30:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected Damn, Darth Vader. There's not enough ice on Hoth to cool that burn. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11040	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:34:00 - [42] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: APEX suits help: -Players looking to grind ISK in pubs -CCP looking to increase revenue -This entire community through CCP having more development money I really don't see a downside to them. I don't mind seeing "standardized" racial fits in pubs and FW, with players still having every option in the world to make far better customized fits. They are good enough that a lot of players would want to use them, but not good enough that they are anywhere near OP. You really want to bankrupt newberries in pubs that bad that you think they should be removed? You want to hurt someones wallet then play a competitive game mode like PC where you'll never ever see a BPO of any type. Now that you mention that, I don't recall ever using a BPO suit or module in a PC match. They just couldn't compete with full-proto players stomping each other. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 234	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:34:00 - [43] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected Damn, Darth Vader. There's not enough ice on Hoth to cool that burn. Is it a burn? I thought he was insulting his own position as our representative. Maybe getting elected is the only way one can claim to know something but not actually have to prove it.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 29	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:34:00 - [44] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected Damn, Darth Vader. There's not enough ice on Hoth to cool that burn. This is why the CPM system was a bad idea for Dust. Players just trolling by holding information over peoples' heads is just cheered on. Absolutely zero accountability.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18706	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:40:00 - [45] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected Damn, Darth Vader. There's not enough ice on Hoth to cool that burn. This is why the CPM system was a bad idea for Dust. Players just trolling by holding information over peoples' heads is just cheered on. Absolutely zero accountability. Or maybe I am saying that your unhealthy assumptions is making an ass out of you and me. CPM supposed to represent the player base Not CCP. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17195	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:42:00 - [46] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Says someone who is only told what CCP wants him to hear and is bound by NDA to not share any of that. Yup that about summarised the nature of the job....oh and the unadulterated hatred of hundreds of people for a reason that is largely beyond their control.....doing a fair amount of work for 0 pay.\ Your point? "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 29	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:43:00 - [47] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: This is why the CPM system was a bad idea for Dust. Players just trolling by holding information over peoples' heads is just cheered on. Absolutely zero accountability. Or maybe I am saying that your unhealthy assumptions is making an ass out of you and me. CPM supposed to represent the player base Not CCP. This is hardly the place to argue over representation but I will point out that I never said if I agreed or disagreed with OP or the quoted statement. The only assumption made here was by YOU.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 234	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:45:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Says someone who is only told what CCP wants him to hear and is bound by NDA to not share any of that. Yup that about summarised the nature of the job....oh and the unadulterated hatred of hundreds of people for a reason that is largely beyond their control.....doing a fair amount of work for 0 pay.\ Your point? Why did you never make CPM? I'd have voted for you. You're kind of snobbish but it befits our race.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17195	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:48:00 - [49] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: True Adamance wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Says someone who is only told what CCP wants him to hear and is bound by NDA to not share any of that. Yup that about summarised the nature of the job....oh and the unadulterated hatred of hundreds of people for a reason that is largely beyond their control.....doing a fair amount of work for 0 pay.\ Your point? Why did you never make CPM? I'd have voted for you. You're kind of snobbish but it befits our race. Because you honestly DO NOT WANT ME on the CPM. All I am is a snarky, snobbish (as you said) tanker who can't quite seem to break away from the forums....not to mention I'd lobby to make this game... Dust 514: Empress Edition, Bow DOWN MINMATAR SLAVES CUZ AMARR ROCK SUPERLEET420BLAZINTANKSRPROUSCRUBZ ..beyond that I don't have time and there are people far better suited out there in plain sight. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1563	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:48:00 - [50] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: This is why the CPM system was a bad idea for Dust. Players just trolling by holding information over peoples' heads is just cheered on. Absolutely zero accountability. Or maybe I am saying that your unhealthy assumptions is making an ass out of you and me. CPM supposed to represent the player base Not CCP. This is hardly the place to argue over representation but I will point out that I never said if I agreed or disagreed with OP or the quoted statement. The only assumption made here was by YOU. I assume youre a pedantic little asswipe who feels butthurt because a privately owned corporation isn't sharing trivial details that have no immediate urgency towards it's product or services. Boy i sure did make am a.ss outta you and me. ..except i don't care. In favor of removing vehicles only so Spkr quits everything.

jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:49:00 - [51] - Quote I think a better fix would be to have a game mode that gives a big reward if KDR is high and punishes suicidal play with longer spawn times, I can see how someone who can actually shoot would want that. I cannot shoot so without APEXs I would just buy cheap race packs instead which have 200 or 300 advanced suits and 200 or 300 proto suits and gear I would have much better suits that I could tailor for my gameplay and specific parts of specific maps, You can effectively buy suits considerably better than an APEX for about 3 cents and if you actually spend the ISK you win from each battle it is about 1.5 cents.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 411	Posted - 2015.02.22 21:08:00 - [52] - Quote BPOs don't make you suicidal, being a bad player does. Though being a logistics doesn't help. I run a BPO suit with BPO weapons (Templar logistics, Templar scrambler rifle and pistol respectively) with complex mods and advanced tools. Saving isk is part of why I run them because being a big yellow target tends to get one killed. Alot. Am I suicidal? Hell no, but when I'm sitting in the back of a squad dropping the heals, who do you think is going to get shot at first? Now, when in Faction I will run Faction suits because it's Faction, but even then I measure my life in seconds than minutes because, still, I'm a big yellow target. If I can save some isk in random matches, I will.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 29	Posted - 2015.02.22 21:36:00 - [53] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: This is why the CPM system was a bad idea for Dust. Players just trolling by holding information over peoples' heads is just cheered on. Absolutely zero accountability. Or maybe I am saying that your unhealthy assumptions is making an ass out of you and me. CPM supposed to represent the player base Not CCP. This is hardly the place to argue over representation but I will point out that I never said if I agreed or disagreed with OP or the quoted statement. The only assumption made here was by YOU. I assume youre a pedantic little asswipe who feels butthurt because a privately owned corporation isn't sharing trivial details that have no immediate urgency towards it's product or services. Boy i sure did make am a.ss outta you and me. ..except i don't care. Aww running to the troll's defense that is cute. I could not give less of a ** what CCP shares. I only care to point out broken being broken **. I will give credit to the current CPM of actually making progress but I still argue that the system which they are part of should not exist as it does.
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 572	Posted - 2015.02.22 23:05:00 - [54] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? I don't know where you heard that, but it's horribly incorrect. Coming top with 2000+wp, at 25+ kills usually nets around 300-400k isk, unless there are a lot of BPO's on the enemy team, then you're looking at less than 200k. It's a very noticeable difference, how people don't notice it is beyond me. The word you're looking for is MILITIA not BPO. Wolfman told us this literally years ago when this argument was first made. Unless THAT formula has been changed in the numerous tweaks to match payouts, makuta is correct. Er, nope. The word I was looking for, was BPO. That handy little thing called a "Killed by" screen, and the pretty paint jobs give it away, JUST A TAD. Wolfman said something years ago did he? Must still be true. Just like ****** said that Aryans were surpreme years ago. Must clearly be true.... Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 724	Posted - 2015.02.22 23:11:00 - [55] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dust =/= Eve The amount of crap we destroyed in our own isk rivals eve's entire economy just to give an idea. Can you provide more information on that ? <--- Im serious lol I like to go over data MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 436	Posted - 2015.02.22 23:14:00 - [56] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Till we can make our manufacture like Eve leave it alone
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1305	Posted - 2015.02.22 23:33:00 - [57] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: APEX. I say just remove them. 10/10 Please support fair play!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18707	Posted - 2015.02.22 23:50:00 - [58] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dust =/= Eve The amount of crap we destroyed in our own isk rivals eve's entire economy just to give an idea. Can you provide more information on that ? <--- Im serious lol I like to go over data You deserve that much. The economy of eve and dust are two entirely seperate monsters. Eve is an eeconomy based on item generation and destruction. The holy trinity of this is creation, possession, and destruction. Remove or disportionate any of those and you destroy the eve economy. This further evolves the game play into the realm of being highly efficent with what little equipment you may have. Some players can indeed lose 10-20-30 ships in a sitting but they generally do it for greater gains to buy 60 ships so to say. Dust in spirit shares this but there is one massive major factor not accounted for. Location. Dust 514 magically teleports all of its items where capsuleeer have to manually ship them. Without the means of location in dust 514 right now our economic model is somewhat too superior if we where to be placed in to the new eden soup as such. This facilitates our ability to die as much as 30 times in a single 15 minute span where an eve player would struggle to keep up in a similar manner unless he's an idiot undocking from his home station in shuttles. This is why our item destruction vastly outpaces item destruction in eve. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 243	Posted - 2015.02.22 23:53:00 - [59] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dust =/= Eve The amount of crap we destroyed in our own isk rivals eve's entire economy just to give an idea. Can you provide more information on that ? <--- Im serious lol I like to go over data You deserve that much. The economy of eve and dust are two entirely seperate monsters. Eve is an eeconomy based on item generation and destruction. The holy trinity of this is creation, possession, and destruction. Remove or disportionate any of those and you destroy the eve economy. This further evolves the game play into the realm of being highly efficent with what little equipment you may have. Some players can indeed lose 10-20-30 ships in a sitting but they generally do it for greater gains to buy 60 ships so to say. Dust in spirit shares this but there is one massive major factor not accounted for. Location. Dust 514 magically teleports all of its items where capsuleeer have to manually ship them. Without the means of location in dust 514 right now our economic model is somewhat too superior if we where to be placed in to the new eden soup as such. This facilitates our ability to die as much as 30 times in a single 15 minute span where an eve player would struggle to keep up in a similar manner unless he's an idiot undocking from his home station in shuttles. I'm pretty sure he wanted numbers.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18707	Posted - 2015.02.22 23:57:00 - [60] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dust =/= Eve The amount of crap we destroyed in our own isk rivals eve's entire economy just to give an idea. Can you provide more information on that ? <--- Im serious lol I like to go over data You deserve that much. The economy of eve and dust are two entirely seperate monsters. Eve is an eeconomy based on item generation and destruction. The holy trinity of this is creation, possession, and destruction. Remove or disportionate any of those and you destroy the eve economy. This further evolves the game play into the realm of being highly efficent with what little equipment you may have. Some players can indeed lose 10-20-30 ships in a sitting but they generally do it for greater gains to buy 60 ships so to say. Dust in spirit shares this but there is one massive major factor not accounted for. Location. Dust 514 magically teleports all of its items where capsuleeer have to manually ship them. Without the means of location in dust 514 right now our economic model is somewhat too superior if we where to be placed in to the new eden soup as such. This facilitates our ability to die as much as 30 times in a single 15 minute span where an eve player would struggle to keep up in a similar manner unless he's an idiot undocking from his home station in shuttles. I'm pretty sure he wanted numbers. That the entire eve economy is like 7 trillion in assets and dust 514 destroys that much ever 3 months? unadjusted that is. (imagine it being adjusted for the 10 to 1 ratio) CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1566	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:01:00 - [61] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dust =/= Eve The amount of crap we destroyed in our own isk rivals eve's entire economy just to give an idea. Can you provide more information on that ? <--- Im serious lol I like to go over data You deserve that much. The economy of eve and dust are two entirely seperate monsters. Eve is an eeconomy based on item generation and destruction. The holy trinity of this is creation, possession, and destruction. Remove or disportionate any of those and you destroy the eve economy. This further evolves the game play into the realm of being highly efficent with what little equipment you may have. Some players can indeed lose 10-20-30 ships in a sitting but they generally do it for greater gains to buy 60 ships so to say. Dust in spirit shares this but there is one massive major factor not accounted for. Location. Dust 514 magically teleports all of its items where capsuleeer have to manually ship them. Without the means of location in dust 514 right now our economic model is somewhat too superior if we where to be placed in to the new eden soup as such. This facilitates our ability to die as much as 30 times in a single 15 minute span where an eve player would struggle to keep up in a similar manner unless he's an idiot undocking from his home station in shuttles. I'm pretty sure he wanted numbers. That the entire eve economy is like 7 trillion in assets and dust 514 destroys that much ever 3 months? unadjusted that is. (imagine it being adjusted for the 10 to 1 ratio) its in the eve economic fanfest 2013 video, was trying to get the URL but my internet crapped out on me In favor of removing vehicles only so Spkr quits everything.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1176	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:08:00 - [62] - Quote Dont like it dont use it, APEX is the only thing CCP has ever done to give noobs a half chance of amassing any kind of isk without feeling like an *******. Edit: Why is IWS still a CPM lol this dude hasnt ever had a clue. Nemo me impune lacessit CCP - Announcing games at the same time as killing the ones you love CCP - No Credibility
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11045	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:09:00 - [63] - Quote I don't know anything about how much ISK was lost in Dust since its official release back in 14 May 2013 compared to Eve Online in the same time frame, but I do agree with IWS about the differences between the Eve and Dust economies. Eve Online's economy is a beast of its own. It's almost entirely driven by a secondary player-run free-market system where everything that is destroyed in the game is created by the players. The primary NPC market that it has is minuscule in comparison and only provide few things of any use at all such as BPOs that require minerals to use, and civilian modules that are so weak and pathetic that they quickly become useless even to a new player a week into the game. That and skill books. Not much else of note. The secondary economy is backed by a massive and thriving industry where players have mastered manufacturing down to not just a science but also an art in order to maintain maximum efficiency and profits. Dust 514's economy is strictly NPC controlled. Even when Simple Trading arrives in April/May the secondary player-run market will be small compared to the primary NPC market. Plans for manufacturing are still in the backlog according to the Trello boards. So even if BPOs were removed from the game, it won't change the fact that the Eve and Dust economies are just not compatible with each other in any way even with Simple Trading implemented. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Protocake JR Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 1701	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:20:00 - [64] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. Let them wallow in darkness as we pad our k/d. I'd love to, but sometimes I do stupid stuff like spawn at camped CRUs in a heavy multiple times to make campers earn it. If I could only make myself snipe in those matches Same! I'd like to imagine the guy that dies feels like an idiot for being killed.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 252	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:22:00 - [65] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. Let them wallow in darkness as we pad our k/d. I'd love to, but sometimes I do stupid stuff like spawn at camped CRUs in a heavy multiple times to make campers earn it. If I could only make myself snipe in those matches Same! I'd like to imagine the guy that dies feels like an idiot for being killed. I like to imagine the guy that dies feels like an idiot for playing this game.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6097	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:42:00 - [66] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: CCP should make them stronger, but add the resources to produce them, and add a salvage gamemode where these items usually drop, but not in great numbers the better the bpo the more resources it requires. The faction faction bpo's should be the best Kallakiota ect with the limited time bpo's like templar up there aswell. This would be a way to separate the eve/dust currency wouldn't it? Would it not provide a way for the much lower scale ecomomy to work within Eve? I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 316	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:50:00 - [67] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: APEX suits help: -Players looking to grind ISK in pubs -CCP looking to increase revenue -This entire community through CCP having more development money I really don't see a downside to them. I don't mind seeing "standardized" racial fits in pubs and FW, with players still having every option in the world to make far better customized fits. They are good enough that a lot of players would want to use them, but not good enough that they are anywhere near OP. You really want to bankrupt newberries in pubs that bad that you think they should be removed? You want to hurt someones wallet then play a competitive game mode like PC where you'll never ever see a BPO of any type. Now that you mention that, I don't recall ever using a BPO suit or module in a PC match. They just couldn't compete with full-proto players stomping each other. I've seen a Toxin SMG Killer of Grand Master Kubo by a shotgun, Gav by a BAR, and countless others
FLAYLOCK Steve Kinsho Swords Caldari State 413	Posted - 2015.02.23 02:51:00 - [68] - Quote I really don't see Bpo's as a problem. I own elite pack and veteran pack and the tiger scout apex suit. And pretty much most of the milita bpo's. Only reason I wanted to buy them was to support the game, and because they look cool. They don't really give you an advantage. It's just standard and below grade gear (other than the apex suit which is far from OP)
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nos Nothi 247	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:14:00 - [69] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: I really don't see Bpo's as a problem. I own elite pack and veteran pack and the tiger scout apex suit. And pretty much most of the milita bpo's. Only reason I wanted to buy them was to support the game, and because they look cool. They don't really give you an advantage. It's just standard and below grade gear (other than the apex suit which is far from OP) Look, they don't give you an advantage, I know this. It just breaks the whole immersive gameplay idea of New Eden. Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 756	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:21:00 - [70] - Quote I really wish we had to buy some resource that then used our blueprints to make these tiems. I agree that it feels wrong that we can just use any suit. At least BPO's are mainly for standard items. Still though, it should be just like regular BPO's and BPC;s. We should be using these to make things. Maybe buy resources off the market that EVE miners mine eventually.

KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nos Nothi 247	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:24:00 - [71] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I really wish we had to buy some resource that then used our blueprints to make these tiems. I agree that it feels wrong that we can just use any suit. At least BPO's are mainly for standard items. Still though, it should be just like regular BPO's and BPC;s. We should be using these to make things. Maybe buy resources off the market that EVE miners mine eventually. Yeah, exactly what I've been asking for. I still think APEX shouldn't exist. They just ruin the immersion effect for me. Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 510	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:26:00 - [72] - Quote @OP I think you're just pissed that people with BPO suits that lose nothing can own your ass and you lose lots of shiny stuff because you can't wreck in bpo suits with bpo gear.
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5813	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:53:00 - [73] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Let me play the worlds smallest violin for you and ask what isn't killing the game? Poorly fit proto suits with basic weapons and mods and 3,000 ISK cheaper loadouts will be added to the list. Obviously you didn't read my entire post. This is new ended you can do whatever you please so long as you pay the price. Nothing is free, replace BPOs with skins and remove apex suits, they totally break immersion. I enjoy being immersed in my gaming, to eel like its surreal. When people can hrs have INFINATE of string it ruins the immersion. Make it like eve where everything is manufactured by players and sold, and skins are also build able, with the right BpCs Immersion? You seem to think you are playing a game that is part of the New Eden universe. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1788	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:58:00 - [74] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Agreed that the CCPs very own design team did have some very good reasons on driving the removal of BPOs on the latter part of 2013. Until the second change of heart. Not that any given decision should be stuck on no matter what. The answer
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11050	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:06:00 - [75] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Agreed that the CCPs very own design team did have some very good reasons on driving the removal of BPOs on the latter part of 2013. Until the second change of heart. Not that any given decision should be stuck on no matter what. The only reason they had about wanting to remove BPOs was because there originally were plans to merge Dust's economy with that of Eve's economy one day. But since that's now out the window, we might as well have BPOs. The only concern is how to transfer them to Legion if Project Legion ever gets to be a full game. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 0	Posted - 2015.02.24 21:11:00 - [76] - Quote If everyone in a battle uses only BPOs the entire battle, would the ISK rewards be only limited to the contractual payout? If yes, players are forcing less ISK payout thus BPOs are hurting the game. If no, the in-game economy is out of balance (total ISK cost should equal total ISK payout) thus BPOs are hurting the game. Damn. Same answer either way. It's madness!
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 347	Posted - 2015.02.24 21:23:00 - [77] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Without BPOs you'd have more fun watching paint dry. The payouts are too low to support putting up an effort for below average players. The payouts are not supposed to support running ADV and PROTO 24/7. STD should make you a profit ADV should just break even Proto should be at a loss Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 892	Posted - 2015.02.24 21:26:00 - [78] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Dont like it dont use it, APEX is the only thing CCP has ever done to give noobs a half chance of amassing any kind of isk without feeling like an *******. Edit: Why is IWS still a CPM lol this dude hasnt ever had a clue. apex suits are more of an isk remover than they are an isk maker. if your able to save up the currency to buy that crap. then your able to save even more by not buying it. if only we could pilot the mcc. id end the matches real quick.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 353	Posted - 2015.02.25 02:36:00 - [79] - Quote I'll spend isk to make sp. I'll bpo to make isk. I'll proto if I feel like it. As far as bpos ruining the game. Most bpos support the game. I traded words earlier with IWS but he got sidetracked. I would rather have civil discourse. I stated BPOS were back because the economies will never merge. What else should I believe? I was here when they cut them. Why? Their effect on the economy. I have not received information that they switched economists or got different math. Forgive my assumption. Until I hear otherwise I gotta call em as I see em. Any links or info would be great.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1312	Posted - 2015.02.25 03:40:00 - [80] - Quote okay..... Please support fair play!

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 369	Posted - 2015.02.25 03:44:00 - [81] - Quote John Psi wrote: okay..... So buy them while they're cheap? Thank you.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1438	Posted - 2015.02.25 05:31:00 - [82] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Your sig. o7 01001001011101000111001100100000011001100111010101101110 I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:40:00 - [83] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected Another example of why we don't really need cpm's thought you guys were supposed to be the go to people. I was always told the meta level was what the payouts are based on in which case the apex suits have more than basic or advanced. I'd have to agree that the word dude is looking for would be milita as well.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 3969	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:46:00 - [84] - Quote Wrong BPOs never hurt the economy because the economy doesnt exist in DUST
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1312	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:57:00 - [85] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: John Psi wrote: okay..... So buy them while they're cheap? Thank you. ...i never buy BPO 4 aurum, m8. Please support fair play!
Billi Gene 545	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:58:00 - [86] - Quote while we're at it, can CCP please remove Trial Accounts from EvE, I'm sick of my mining ships getting blown up by suicide gankers. After all, this is New Eden... nothing is free right? Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Flyingconejo Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1154	Posted - 2015.02.25 14:03:00 - [87] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Wrong BPOs never hurt the economy because the economy doesnt exist in DUST ^^^^ What he said. There is no economy in Dust. You would need trading between players, player crafting, and only basic level gear on the NPC market for a Dust economy to exist. I love this kind of threads. They always go like: "We need this game to be harsher! Harsher and more unforgiving! This is a brutal universe. There is too much hand holding! Everyone should have to deal with consequences and HTFU!" Followed by variations of: "I'm tired of fighting the same 20 guys all day." or "Why is everyone always camping behind the redline?"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2999	Posted - 2015.02.25 14:03:00 - [88] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Sandbox Go cry elsewhere. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff


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