DUST Search - BPOs have ruined this game.

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote:

New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history.

Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE.

APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP.

*Sigh* time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK.

Agreed that the CCPs very own design team did have some very good reasons on driving the removal of BPOs on the latter part of 2013.
Until the second change of heart.
Not that any given decision should be stuck on no matter what.


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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11040	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote The two economies are not likely to merge anyways unless CCP does change their mind (which they have before). If they change their mind, and the BPOs do get changed, then CCP will need to refund the AUR on all of them if they are removed from the inventory of players. If removed from inventory, a bunch of players, like me, who have spent just about 100 AUR per BPO back in the early days before the prices were jacked up, stand to gain a ridiculous amount of FREE AURUM which will be the equivalent of CCP hemorrhaging money and thus could hurt Dust development due to loss of revenue as a result. Even if the BPOs are just modified to Eve standards and never removed, they will likely have to be refunded anyways as there are many players who bought them specifically because of the ability to not spend ISK on them. They never spent them just because of the looks. Also, Templar suits would have to be refunded and those don't cost AUR. They cost actual real-world cash to get as you can only acquire them from the Eve: The Second Decade Collector's Edition box set from their Eve Online website. Not to mention that the codes for these Templar items were traded away for ISK with other players and thus they will be affected. So how will they be reimbursed if they didn't pay cash for it? Who gets reimbursed? The buyer or the seller? The alternative would be to just stop selling BPOs directly -- with the exception of the LP variant APEX suits and other BPOs that can be acquired through some in-game grinding -- while letting the current owners keep the BPOs they have 'AS IS' without any modifications. Boosters and other AUR consumables seem to be something of a stable revenue source since players will always have to replenish those. Especially boosters that are 7-30 days long. I have yet to see anyone salvage an LP booster at this stage. Rolling over the Daily Missions and the EOM instant boost seem to be another stable revenue source. Warbarge Components, not so much considering you can grind for the components as either salvage, Daily Missions, or in strongboxes so there is not much incentive to spend AUR on them unless you are really that impatient for something that is so passive. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11040	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:30:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected Damn, Darth Vader. There's not enough ice on Hoth to cool that burn. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11040	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:34:00 - [3] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: APEX suits help: -Players looking to grind ISK in pubs -CCP looking to increase revenue -This entire community through CCP having more development money I really don't see a downside to them. I don't mind seeing "standardized" racial fits in pubs and FW, with players still having every option in the world to make far better customized fits. They are good enough that a lot of players would want to use them, but not good enough that they are anywhere near OP. You really want to bankrupt newberries in pubs that bad that you think they should be removed? You want to hurt someones wallet then play a competitive game mode like PC where you'll never ever see a BPO of any type. Now that you mention that, I don't recall ever using a BPO suit or module in a PC match. They just couldn't compete with full-proto players stomping each other. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11045	Posted - 2015.02.23 00:09:00 - [4] - Quote I don't know anything about how much ISK was lost in Dust since its official release back in 14 May 2013 compared to Eve Online in the same time frame, but I do agree with IWS about the differences between the Eve and Dust economies. Eve Online's economy is a beast of its own. It's almost entirely driven by a secondary player-run free-market system where everything that is destroyed in the game is created by the players. The primary NPC market that it has is minuscule in comparison and only provide few things of any use at all such as BPOs that require minerals to use, and civilian modules that are so weak and pathetic that they quickly become useless even to a new player a week into the game. That and skill books. Not much else of note. The secondary economy is backed by a massive and thriving industry where players have mastered manufacturing down to not just a science but also an art in order to maintain maximum efficiency and profits. Dust 514's economy is strictly NPC controlled. Even when Simple Trading arrives in April/May the secondary player-run market will be small compared to the primary NPC market. Plans for manufacturing are still in the backlog according to the Trello boards. So even if BPOs were removed from the game, it won't change the fact that the Eve and Dust economies are just not compatible with each other in any way even with Simple Trading implemented. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11050	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:06:00 - [5] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Agreed that the CCPs very own design team did have some very good reasons on driving the removal of BPOs on the latter part of 2013. Until the second change of heart. Not that any given decision should be stuck on no matter what. The only reason they had about wanting to remove BPOs was because there originally were plans to merge Dust's economy with that of Eve's economy one day. But since that's now out the window, we might as well have BPOs. The only concern is how to transfer them to Legion if Project Legion ever gets to be a full game. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.