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KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nos Nothi 239	Posted - 2015.02.22 17:50:00 - [1] - Quote New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 541	Posted - 2015.02.22 17:53:00 - [2] - Quote Let me play the worlds smallest violin for you and ask what isn't killing the game? Poorly fit proto suits with basic weapons and mods and 3,000 ISK cheaper loadouts will be added to the list. The State will always survive.
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nos Nothi 240	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:09:00 - [3] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Let me play the worlds smallest violin for you and ask what isn't killing the game? Poorly fit proto suits with basic weapons and mods and 3,000 ISK cheaper loadouts will be added to the list. Obviously you didn't read my entire post. This is new ended you can do whatever you please so long as you pay the price. Nothing is free, replace BPOs with skins and remove apex suits, they totally break immersion. I enjoy being immersed in my gaming, to eel like its surreal. When people can hrs have INFINATE of string it ruins the immersion. Make it like eve where everything is manufactured by players and sold, and skins are also build able, with the right BpCs Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream The Ditanian Alliance 670	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:12:00 - [4] - Quote Well to be practical, the only way that Dust can really survive and become something greater is if they get more money, the Apex suits were a good cash grab, and will most likely help Dust in the long run. 01101100 01101111 01101100 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001
diablo gamekeeper T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:12:00 - [5] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Let me play the worlds smallest violin for you and ask what isn't killing the game? Poorly fit proto suits with basic weapons and mods and 3,000 ISK cheaper loadouts will be added to the list. Obviously you didn't read my entire post. This is new ended you can do whatever you please so long as you pay the price. Nothing is free, replace BPOs with skins and remove apex suits, they totally break immersion. I enjoy being immersed in my gaming, to eel like its surreal. When people can hrs have INFINATE of string it ruins the immersion. Make it like eve where everything is manufactured by players and sold, and skins are also build able, with the right BpCs Need a wamburger and some french cries? Number 1. Dust isnt set up to build stuff. Number 2. You should be farming kills off those suits. There super easy to kill. Number 3. Stop your complaining everything in the game is messed up...so sh.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6092	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:13:00 - [6] - Quote Without BPOs you'd have more fun watching paint dry. The payouts are too low to support putting up an effort for below average players. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 410	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:18:00 - [7] - Quote So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6092	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:21:00 - [8] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 229	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:23:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. Let them wallow in darkness as we pad our k/d.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6092	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:28:00 - [10] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: So... BPOs should instead of being actual suits be limited run reskins? And that there shouldn't be a marketplace, just an auction house to sell goods gathered from PC for use in the manufacture of suits and weapons? Cause... just to let you know, that kind of hardcore player base... doesn't exist in Dust. Eve is populated by the hardcore, those who take the game so seriously as to have it down to a science. This is Dust, full of CoD casual meatheads that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag (no insults intended, honest). Yes, I have played Eve, that particular dynamic would fail miserably in Dust. Plain and simple. There are plenty of players that min/max Dust as seriously as Eve. We are waiting for the noobs to squad up and get with the program. Let them wallow in darkness as we pad our k/d. I'd love to, but sometimes I do stupid stuff like spawn at camped CRUs in a heavy multiple times to make campers earn it. If I could only make myself snipe in those matches I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.

JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 722	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:28:00 - [11] - Quote Like if Apex dropsuits are soo OP. The only proto about it is the Dropsuit while the rest is just basic stuff = ok. Now I'm grinding for LP again for another Apex. If only people would PLAY FW MORE!!! MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1972	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:33:00 - [12] - Quote I couldn't help reading this post in the old guy's voice. I can see where you're trying to go, but MAG had a similar slogan going for it, and yet... all those battles, all those wins and losses, every game that was played on it never changed a thing. The big Shadow War was never altered in any way, maps weren't changed over time, factions didn't gain or lose control of an area... no matter how much you won or lost, everything remained as it was outside of the introduction of a few new armor types. PC is currently the only mode that actually has consequences for the Dust player. Everything else remains stagnant, unchanging. The only ones who actually suffer a consequence for taking a sniper round to the head are the newer players and those few who don't know how to manage their Isk. Everyone else has millions if not billions stockpiled, and short of CCP resetting all the Isk and assets in this game, nothing will change that. I don't even have that much in comparison to some players, yet I can still chug through a dozen or more proto suits in a match and have it not even scratch my wallet. And as for the APEX and other BPO's being free... they're not. Whether by real world money or grinding, they're far from "free". I chugged through thirty million to get mine, and plenty of people have paid actual cash for them, thus supporting this addicting game we're all hooked on and showing both CCP and Sony that it's not dead in the water. I want to punch.
Vapor Forseti Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1804	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:34:00 - [13] - Quote diablo gamekeeper wrote: Need a wamburger and some french cries? Wut. Dust has ruined me.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1090	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:46:00 - [14] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. Build them with WHAT? We have no PvEvP area to fuss over in which to attain ores etc. We only have battle areas. If you want your scarce item drops to completely vanish, and your ISK income to be cut to near nothing, then loot would probably drop from battles that would replace all of what we currently have. Which is nothing. There is no "economy" because there is no larger game field to tie this into. A series of isolated battles in little resetable rooms has no effect on anything, nor can it really. Also, New Eden has severe and massive limits, for example, after your ship has been blown up, you can't use the scraps as a trap to kill your attacker. You cannot board another persons ship to hijack it unless given explicit control for it. You cannot break into a Corporation's bank from the outside, run around and steal all the money without having joined the corporation, and given enough rank to do such. You cannot..... well. basically, it's a very padded environment, because you can only do things as a part of what is the expected, just like any other game I've played. It's not much different from many Korean MMO's where you drop all of your inventory and gear on death, with the entire world being a massive PvP environment. Imagine how it would be if you lost all of your skills on death as well? Some games do that. EvE pampers you, and does not. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 923	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:47:00 - [15] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: New Eden, a place where Mega-corporations clash for power, a place where bloody and brutal never ending way always continues on. A place with no limits, a place, where one shot can change the course of history. Aka CCP, remove all BPOs (or modify them) to it's like EVE. Aka you BUILD them, and my kaalakiota c-1 would just be a skin, not something truly unlimited. Nothing should ever be free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The only things that should be unlimited is our starter fits. Just like rookie ships in EVE. APEX. I say just remove them. It was a aggressive monetization technique, but they need to be removed and refunded aurum, ISK and LP. Sigh time to go hop back the car, gotta 8 hour drive ahead of me, ILL BE BACK. First of all they are not free. Second if you dont like APEX its basicaly less OP suit than even some std. Third in EvE they have BPO as well. "Sebiestor Tinker/Hetzer" "Corrosive Supporter/Synergist" "We build from Rust"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18700	Posted - 2015.02.22 18:58:00 - [16] - Quote Dust =/= Eve The amount of crap we destroyed in our own isk rivals eve's entire economy just to give an idea. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4398	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:25:00 - [17] - Quote Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 230	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:28:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations.
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 571	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:32:00 - [19] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The payouts are too low to support putting up an effort for below average players. I'm reading this with a considerable amount of incredulity. Ask yourself, why are the payouts so low? The answer is simple; BPO's. Killing them pays next to nothing, killing a limited version of the exact same fit pays considerably more. Using APEX as an example, they should modify what comes pre-loaded. So that it's either just the suit and weapons, or just the suit and mods, leaving the user to add the rest. This would definitely increase payouts from killing APEX suits. Or, alternatively, remove APEX as BPO's entirely and instead sell them in batches of 100 valid identical fits for a reduce in isk/lp cost. Payout still increases, and fw activity increases. Two birds, one stone Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18702	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:33:00 - [20] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 230	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:34:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah...BPOs ruined the economy... Not the Billions of isk that was farmed from PC just by sitting on districts which pretty much killed PC in the process since there was almost no reason to even fight for a district anymore. And not pretty much anyone who's not new can run proto 24/7 and never run out of isk. But yeah, BPOs did that. Oh and let's not forget that the period when BPOs and pack went off the market and it seemed like CCP stopped making any sort of money off of dust and the game pretty much died(I would stop giving Sony $50,000 per update if nobody was paying for my game too) and with the reintroduction of BPOs the game is actually getting real honest to goodness patches(it's almost like they are willing to invest money into the game again...WHAT A TWIST!?) But hey, let's get rid of BPOs and the sale of them again. It would really be cool to see the game completely die instead of trying to make a comeback. /RantOver BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 399	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:41:00 - [22] - Quote Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? Remove Proto? Sounds great! M.I does the dying. Fleet does the flying. Private Beta Veteran
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2888	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:44:00 - [23] - Quote Out of all the issues this game has or has had in the past, you pick BPOs as the one that "ruined this game"? I don't even know where to start. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 571	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:45:00 - [24] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? I don't know where you heard that, but it's horribly incorrect. Coming top with 2000+wp, at 25+ kills usually nets around 300-400k isk, unless there are a lot of BPO's on the enemy team, then you're looking at less than 200k. It's a very noticeable difference, how people don't notice it is beyond me. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 230	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:45:00 - [25] - Quote I must be out of line. Looking to a cpm for answers has always been silly. Asking IWS for enlightenment is just laughable. My bad.
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 399	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:47:00 - [26] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? I don't know where you heard that, but it's horribly incorrect. Coming top with 2000+wp, at 25+ kills usually nets around 300-400k isk, unless there are a lot of BPO's on the enemy team, then you're looking at less than 200k. It's a very noticeable difference, how people don't notice it is beyond me. Heard it from the Devs a couple of years ago. So it just might be out of date/invalid. Remove Proto? Sounds great! M.I does the dying. Fleet does the flying. Private Beta Veteran
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1562	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:50:00 - [27] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say that BPO's add the equivalent ISK to their BPC counterparts to the ISK pool, last I heard. So no, BPO's are not effecting payouts in the way they think. But what do I know. Right? I don't know where you heard that, but it's horribly incorrect. Coming top with 2000+wp, at 25+ kills usually nets around 300-400k isk, unless there are a lot of BPO's on the enemy team, then you're looking at less than 200k. It's a very noticeable difference, how people don't notice it is beyond me. The word you're looking for is MILITIA not BPO. Wolfman told us this literally years ago when this argument was first made. Unless THAT formula has been changed in the numerous tweaks to match payouts, makuta is correct. In favor of removing vehicles only so Spkr quits everything.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18702	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:52:00 - [28] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: BPOS are back precisely because the economies will never be merged. It's a way to keep the servers going while CCP fulfill their legal obligations. says someone who has no idea what is really going on. Enlighten me Get Elected CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6323	Posted - 2015.02.22 19:58:00 - [29] - Quote Let's say you will ALWAYS die 5 times in a match, whether stomped or not. Let's also say you average a 200k isk payout each match. If you use a fully BPO suit (STD suit and weapons, MLT Mods and equipment), you earn 200k isk. Enough for 1 proto fit. What does the average STD fit cost? 16k? If you lose 5 of those fits, that's 80k isk lost each game, which is a profit of 120k isk per game. Enough for a decent proto fit, but probably not fully PRO. As you can see, 80k is the only difference per game which isn't much of you're willing to run below proto gear, and mlt gear runs worse fits in certain modules. The only one on top of my head is the Shield Regulator. MLT gives a 10% boost, while STD gives 15%.
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 248	Posted - 2015.02.22 20:00:00 - [30] - Quote I don't see the problem with traditional BPO suits (like Dren, Covenant, and as you said the Kalaakiota c-I [...]) The economy is only ~3.000 ISK And for weapon, only ~1.000/2.000 ISK But you have to pay modules. So for example, one of my fit, dragonfly caldari assault, with 2 BPO weapons, cost 17.000 ISK just because off modules. My economy is about ~4.500 ISK So I don't see a real problem. For me the problem is APEX suits. A BPO dropsuit, totaly free and really good fitted so for me those suits are the bad thing in the game. Now, I se so many APEX suits on the battlefront.... Because players want to spare ISK...... not to play, stop ISK payout etc... And I don't talk about the f****** bug on those suits, and the OP things.... The Amarr and Minmatar heavy are just OP that's amazing !!!! My god ! I'm sorry for my bad English writting and comprehension.



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