DUST Search - They fix sniping yet?

CCP Rattati wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Apparently they hit really really hard.

Also no we haven't 'fixing' sniping as its not consider broken anymore and likely we're never going back to older models ever most likely.

Couldn't adding a bit better zoom make sniping a little more viable without changing the model any?

I think it is better than it was in many ways, but its still rather difficult to be of much use.

Zoom can get looked at and I agree its not high enough fidelity to make it work well for the ranges its expected to operate in. Maybe 2x of current I am thinking

Sway should also get looked at to be post shot rather than preshot.

Charge rifle mechanics is another that can get looked at; its been suggested to have them auto-charging (thus no need to hold trigger) if this becomes a thing then the sway should be matching with the charging cycle so that the rifle is swaying while charging.

Also the complaint about lack of progression is still very valid so that can also get looked at.

Go forth IWS and collect proposals on tweaks. Increasing zoom is fine, as long as there is a hard counter to high zoomers (no thale's situation again). Again, rewarding progression mechanics can be added, so long as there is not a "proto or nothing" situation.

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Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3382	Posted - 2015.02.25 20:22:00 - [61] - Quote I wrote this letter especially for you To prove that my love for you is true Never shall I kiss someone else's lips Never will we make any boring trips Iron Wolf Saber, you are unbelievably beautiful When I am near you my heart goes like a raging Amarrian Words cannot express What I felt when you said 'no' Iron Wolf Saber, you mean so much to me I never knew this could be You are my sweetheart day by day I hope you will never go away "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Tyjus Vacca Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 321	Posted - 2015.02.25 21:04:00 - [62] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well the thing is we brought in the sniper to be more suitable for the current fields of play presented; however the terms of how small hostile targets are at the expected ranges to be shot at in comparison to other games; ours is a bit too low for it to be useful for the more precise shooting demanded by new sniper rifle slants in body to headshot damages. Bringing the zoom up would also lower the difficulty of some players trying to aim with it at longer distances. The charge and standard would be affected the tactical however seems very spot on for the kind of shooting it does and I am afraid to see it go up or down as it may hurt its current effectiveness. Additional zoom buffs will honestly just be teasing snipers at best as the target will appear large enough to hit but the they will be at 451m this was the same problem experienced by the Thales where you could clearly see a target 700 m away but could not hit them. Bringing up the zoom would also hurt the Std and Charge variant at the closer ranges where you can actually hit your target.... idk about you but I would like my zoom to be better tailored to the ranges I'm effective at, than to the ones where i can't actually hit my target.. btw IMHO the roles of the sniper variants should be changed.... while the Tac and Std variants are performing rather well the charge is falling behind Its really hard to get head-shots with it ,and the executioner role is better filled by the Std variant... my proposed changes for snipers Std: 10% sway reduction Std 225 350% headshot multiplier Adv 250 450m range Pro 275 Tac: Change to PLC reticule Std 200 350 m range Adv 210 20% sway reduction Pro 221 Charge: no sway reduction 250% Headshot Multiplier Adv 350 550m range Pro 385 Increase zoom sniper changes !!? O_o
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 4713	Posted - 2015.02.25 21:25:00 - [63] - Quote Snipers do not need a range increase.. I'd rather not go back to where they can be in their redline and snipe the enemy redline at the same time.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
alias lycan Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 39	Posted - 2015.02.25 21:26:00 - [64] - Quote Sniper rifles need a hit detection fix badly. The terrible hit detection is the number one reason my charge rifle is collecting dust.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2338	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:02:00 - [65] - Quote alias lycan wrote: Sniper rifles need a hit detection fix badly. The terrible hit detection is the number one reason my charge rifle is collecting dust. Hit detection is bad all around, just a TON more noticeable when your weapon has a RoF of 50 or 100. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
TEBOW BAGGINS 1659	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:06:00 - [66] - Quote wtf is a blue shield flash not enough for you? you want damage on top of that?
Avallo Kantor 458	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:10:00 - [67] - Quote Is it possible to give Snipers a selection of Zooms? (Rather like some old FPS games) Aka: Hitting zoom once zooms to 2x, again for 3x, then 4x ? (Spit balled numbers mind you)
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 529	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:32:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Apparently they hit really really hard. Also no we haven't 'fixing' sniping as its not consider broken anymore and likely we're never going back to older models ever most likely. Couldn't adding a bit better zoom make sniping a little more viable without changing the model any? I think it is better than it was in many ways, but its still rather difficult to be of much use. Zoom can get looked at and I agree its not high enough fidelity to make it work well for the ranges its expected to operate in. Maybe 2x of current I am thinking Sway should also get looked at to be post shot rather than preshot. Charge rifle mechanics is another that can get looked at; its been suggested to have them auto-charging (thus no need to hold trigger) if this becomes a thing then the sway should be matching with the charging cycle so that the rifle is swaying while charging. Also the complaint about lack of progression is still very valid so that can also get looked at. Go forth IWS and collect proposals on tweaks. Increasing zoom is fine, as long as there is a hard counter to high zoomers (no thale's situation again). Again, rewarding progression mechanics can be added, so long as there is not a "proto or nothing" situation. Can the up/down dpad button increase/decrease zoom? Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 37.5 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18734	Posted - 2015.02.26 06:24:00 - [69] - Quote alias lycan wrote: Sniper rifles need a hit detection fix badly. The terrible hit detection is the number one reason my charge rifle is collecting dust. Hit detection is a separate issue that for the sake of balancing I am going to ignore or well end up doing the shotgun dance of yore. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Rinzler XVII KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 317	Posted - 2015.02.26 14:06:00 - [70] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: WHats this about roden snipers? Never seen or heard of one. How do I get it? I want one. I have a 3 Sniper BPOs right now and I'd KILL for the Roden. Where did you guys get yours? It's not a BPO. It's a rare sniper that does 900 damage per shot. Though it only holds one shot at a time. 550 1 shot before reload... It's exactly what a sniper rifle should be.. Head shot kill to any suit but if you miss your shot you've got To reload before you can fire again I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST

Jathniel Ahrendee Mercenaries 1483	Posted - 2015.02.26 14:16:00 - [71] - Quote No. Forks. It's not finished. If you're asking about the Charge sniper, then that's a definite No. The Roden is a decent bolt-action style sniper, but it's not a regular contender. Retired
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18736	Posted - 2015.02.26 23:41:00 - [72] - Quote Variable zoom may not be possible but it is desired. Anyways is there any balance concerns over the current rodens vs the other rifles? I am pretty sure the 1 shot per mag deal is going to stay for it. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3402	Posted - 2015.02.27 00:35:00 - [73] - Quote It's fine as is as long as it has the 1 shot per mag thing. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1806	Posted - 2015.02.27 00:45:00 - [74] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Variable zoom may not be possible but it is desired. Anyways is there any balance concerns over the current rodens vs the other rifles? I am pretty sure the 1 shot per mag deal is going to stay for it. Could you change the charge sniper so it has one shot in magazine but does 550 damage? Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17322	Posted - 2015.02.27 00:58:00 - [75] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Go forth IWS and collect proposals on tweaks. Increasing zoom is fine, as long as there is a hard counter to high zoomers (no thale's situation again). Again, rewarding progression mechanics can be added, so long as there is not a "proto or nothing" situation. You'd make a good Amarrian CCP Rattati. Ever thought about putting down those boosters and notions of free will and all that and picking up the pen to write us some Scripture? I'm sure you'd become a Saint in no time at all! "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7269	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:43:00 - [76] - Quote Tried running the Ishukone Sniper Rifle today ... The headshot multiplier is great, but it is damn near impossible to line up a headshot on a moving target. If a target's wiggling at longish range, I'll miss him 3 out of 5 times aiming center mass. Aim for the head and I'll miss 5 for 5. It seems to be a total crapshoot; headshots on a moving target are more about chance than skill or effort. So aim for the body, right? If it's a Scout you're shooting at, you hit him once then he begins to evade. With a little luck, you'll hit him again and get the kill before he reaches cover. But if it is anything else, you have to hit him again and again and often again and again. This isn't so bad a requirement with the Tac SR, but the Ishukone fires too dang slow and kicks too dang hard for a weapon which requires multiple, consecutive shots to kill. Not sure what to suggest. Adding inertia on directional change would help with target tracking and the "crapshoot" aspect. Perhaps better zoom fidelity, reduced sway, and/or an ever-so-slightly faster rate of fire? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley


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