DUST Search - [Petition] We don't want 4 man squads!

Mejt0 wrote:

Derpty Derp wrote:

Big miku wrote:

[quote=Pagl1u M]This is an online fps it has everything to do with "sociale aspects"! Are you drunk or what?

This is a VIDEO GAME. I know all the kids these days love to talk about "Social aspects" of their games, like Facebook apps and other things not related to game play, but the single most important thing in a video game is GAME PLAY. How will 4 man squad affect GAME PLAY for better or worse.

That is what matters, not the fact that you'll be unable to play in PUBs with an extra 2 buddies, that don't matter at all unless you can provide an argument about how it affects GAME PLAY.

Which in turn would be rendered moot because 6+ squads will be allowed in FW and PC.

People here think only about themselfes.

'I won't be able to stomp with 2 more buddies, wah wah' , while we should think about new players, matchmaking and overall gameplay.

Matchmaking will put squads vs squads more often, lone-wolfers [veterans] will be able to help their team more by defeating enemy squad [it's hard to get rid of 6ppl in one place, but 4 won't be that hard].

If any of you want to play with more buddies then play FW [in future].

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Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 812	Posted - 2015.02.20 19:06:00 - [61] - Quote In the event of lots of people joining pubs at the same time, it will improve the chance of team balance. I don't mind 4 man squads, you'll just have to pick who you really want on your squad and then hope there's enough high Moo squads to place your friends squad in the same team as yours. But they really need to fix the matchmaker in more ways, if we want improved team balance, because currently you'll play a few matches in a row and come across the same few 6 man squads, but it very rarely pits them against each other, instead we just see 1 high profile squad per game. Needs to hold off the match a bit for those in squads, to make sure it's putting them against other decent squads.
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1238	Posted - 2015.02.20 19:11:00 - [62] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Also if you want to talk with your friends voice up in corp or make a channel so you can all chat XD voice up in corp to qsync 3-4 squad of stomper «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 146	Posted - 2015.02.20 20:35:00 - [63] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: I'm fine with the way it is now. If we change to 4 man squads would points for Strikes change also? I've never had much of an issue getting 5k wp in a 4 man squad. I've done it in a 2 man squad once, but wouldn't object to the wp requirements changing :)
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3036	Posted - 2015.02.20 20:55:00 - [64] - Quote I am always in a 16-player squad. I have never understood how that's not enough for people. KDR matchmaking would patch all the patches into pure patchitudity.
Big miku Nation of Miku 408	Posted - 2015.02.20 21:22:00 - [65] - Quote Dust 514 is a video game, arguing about "social aspects" has no merit. There are arguments for and against this change and "I will have to squad with 2 less of my bros" has no major effect on the game play aspect. How will a RETURN to 4 man squads affect the GAME PLAY for better or worse. Those are valid arguments.
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1607	Posted - 2015.02.20 21:43:00 - [66] - Quote Big miku wrote: Dust 514 is a video game, arguing about "social aspects" has no merit. There are arguments for and against this change and "I will have to squad with 2 less of my bros" has no major effect on the game play aspect. How will a RETURN to 4 man squads affect the GAME PLAY for better or worse. Those are valid arguments. What are you talking about? This is an online fps it has everything to do with "sociale aspects"! Are you drunk or what? One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Big miku Nation of Miku 410	Posted - 2015.02.20 21:53:00 - [67] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: This is an online fps it has everything to do with "sociale aspects"! Are you drunk or what? This is a VIDEO GAME. I know all the kids these days love to talk about "Social aspects" of their games, like Facebook apps and other things not related to game play, but the single most important thing in a video game is GAME PLAY. How will 4 man squad affect GAME PLAY for better or worse. That is what matters, not the fact that you'll be unable to play in PUBs with an extra 2 buddies, that don't matter at all unless you can provide an argument about how it affects GAME PLAY. Which in turn would be rendered moot because 6+ squads will be allowed in FW and PC.
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 707	Posted - 2015.02.20 22:04:00 - [68] - Quote i would prefer 4 man squads, it would stop the old 4 heavy 2 logi combo (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs
Nirwanda Vaughns 1443	Posted - 2015.02.20 23:24:00 - [69] - Quote 4 man squads were enough the first time and it'll make matchmaking more simpler becuase of the lack of uneven team counts. i'll be happy for the count to drop tbh Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 405	Posted - 2015.02.21 00:36:00 - [70] - Quote Honestly, I've found their move to 6 person squads a little odd given you can only field two full squads on a full team. The only time we had even squad distribution was when they were 4 people. The only way to keep 6 person squads working is if they bump team size from 16 to 18 to accommodate a third full squad. This has been suggested before and they chose not to out of map balance. Apparently 2 more people per team would change the map dynamic enough to crate an imbalance...

Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 961	Posted - 2015.02.21 00:52:00 - [71] - Quote 4 man squads sure. the only problem is there wont be enough room to have more ppl to talk with. Inb4 people still complaining about 4 man squad proto stomp. Framerate>everything else
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1532	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:11:00 - [72] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Pagl1u M wrote: [Petition] We don't want 4 man squads! If it'll fix matchmaking -- and it likely will -- then I'm all for it. There's a huge thread explaining all the "whys" in Development Archives. 100% in favor of 4 man squads. If it doesn't work, we can always revert. 8-16 man squads for FW, PC and PC Raids would be awesome as well. I'll take a look at the "whys", but... What if the other 2 fixes are already enough to Fix the problem? Why not add the other 2 fixes and only if it doesn't work make 4 man squads? This is a team based game guys. I know protostomping is a problem but we shouldnt Fix it reducing squads Protostomping is a much worse problem and impacts all players more negatively than "not being able to play with your buds", so why not take the opposite approach and reduce squad size first and change it if it is not needed? Because, that's why.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 873	Posted - 2015.02.21 02:17:00 - [73] - Quote 4 man squad for pubs. Straight up good idea. We have to be realistic here. Pubs are 100% stomped. With smaller squads, matchmaking will more likely put squad v squad. Ps. Now one squad is more than 1/3 of a team. That's too many [pubs] Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 206	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:27:00 - [74] - Quote Green Living wrote: I love the idea of 4 person squad, unfortunately it should have been implemented 2 years ago when this game still had a population. It was implemented 2 years ago then it changed to 6 due to player request. 4 man squads change nothing, you could still voice in same channel with the other 2. Logic people logic.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 815	Posted - 2015.02.21 08:41:00 - [75] - Quote Big miku wrote: Pagl1u M wrote: This is an online fps it has everything to do with "sociale aspects"! Are you drunk or what? This is a VIDEO GAME. I know all the kids these days love to talk about "Social aspects" of their games, like Facebook apps and other things not related to game play, but the single most important thing in a video game is GAME PLAY. How will 4 man squad affect GAME PLAY for better or worse. That is what matters, not the fact that you'll be unable to play in PUBs with an extra 2 buddies, that don't matter at all unless you can provide an argument about how it affects GAME PLAY. Which in turn would be rendered moot because 6+ squads will be allowed in FW and PC. That is very short sighted. Video games have many aspect, which vary depending on the type of game and ideas put forth for such games, it is by no means 'all gameplay, nothing else matters.' The fact that this is an 'online only' game suggest the multiplayer component to be quite important, of which the social aspect is an important way of setting up said multiplayer. There's a difference between 'not important' and 'not for me.'
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 875	Posted - 2015.02.21 09:00:00 - [76] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Big miku wrote: [quote=Pagl1u M]This is an online fps it has everything to do with "sociale aspects"! Are you drunk or what? This is a VIDEO GAME. I know all the kids these days love to talk about "Social aspects" of their games, like Facebook apps and other things not related to game play, but the single most important thing in a video game is GAME PLAY. How will 4 man squad affect GAME PLAY for better or worse. That is what matters, not the fact that you'll be unable to play in PUBs with an extra 2 buddies, that don't matter at all unless you can provide an argument about how it affects GAME PLAY. Which in turn would be rendered moot because 6+ squads will be allowed in FW and PC. People here think only about themselfes. 'I won't be able to stomp with 2 more buddies, wah wah' , while we should think about new players, matchmaking and overall gameplay. Matchmaking will put squads vs squads more often, lone-wolfers [veterans] will be able to help their team more by defeating enemy squad [it's hard to get rid of 6ppl in one place, but 4 won't be that hard]. If any of you want to play with more buddies then play FW [in future]. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 815	Posted - 2015.02.21 09:09:00 - [77] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Big miku wrote: [quote=Pagl1u M]This is an online fps it has everything to do with "sociale aspects"! Are you drunk or what? This is a VIDEO GAME. I know all the kids these days love to talk about "Social aspects" of their games, like Facebook apps and other things not related to game play, but the single most important thing in a video game is GAME PLAY. How will 4 man squad affect GAME PLAY for better or worse. That is what matters, not the fact that you'll be unable to play in PUBs with an extra 2 buddies, that don't matter at all unless you can provide an argument about how it affects GAME PLAY. Which in turn would be rendered moot because 6+ squads will be allowed in FW and PC. People here think only about themselfes. 'I won't be able to stomp with 2 more buddies, wah wah' , while we should think about new players, matchmaking and overall gameplay. Matchmaking will put squads vs squads more often, lone-wolfers [veterans] will be able to help their team more by defeating enemy squad [it's hard to get rid of 6ppl in one place, but 4 won't be that hard]. If any of you want to play with more buddies then play FW [in future]. Your quote's broke, Derpty Derp in no way said that, Derp merely quoted it >__>
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18697	Posted - 2015.02.21 09:51:00 - [78] - Quote I see no grounds for keeping a 6 man squad when it directly threatens the ability to even consider having multiple squads deploy together up to groups of 4 on certain game modes. Want to be social go make a chat channel. Want to be working together?; go make a 4 man squad and join it with another squad and then get deployed against similar setups. Want to proto stomp in pubs? do it by yourself then what are you afraid of getting killed by a quafe BPO? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 462	Posted - 2015.02.21 10:10:00 - [79] - Quote I like Marine fire teams. So, going back to four is great for me. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1609	Posted - 2015.02.21 10:13:00 - [80] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I see no grounds for keeping a 6 man squad when it directly threatens the ability to even consider having multiple squads deploy together up to groups of 4 on certain game modes. Want to be social go make a chat channel. Want to be working together?; go make a 4 man squad and join it with another squad and then get deployed against similar setups. Want to proto stomp in pubs? do it by yourself then what are you afraid of getting killed by a quafe BPO? Go make a chat: already done, I with whitedevil and Corbina Ninja am ethe creator of the italian official channel. Yesterday night I played more than 3 hours with the following friends: Bastard, Ripper Rouge, xxwhitedevilxx M, er vipera and Fabios Amir. These are freinds I play with every night since 2 years ago. Yesterday we had a lot of fair and even matches against prima gallicus or other teams. I am all for improving matchmaking and improving NPE ( I created some posts about NPE) but dont make me look like a bad person because I want to go on playing with my friends. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!

g li2 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 571	Posted - 2015.02.21 11:22:00 - [81] - Quote I love to play with friends. I do not like 4 man squads. G.A.C. CHACALES
Jebus McKing Nos Nothi 1511	Posted - 2015.02.21 11:33:00 - [82] - Quote I want 4-man squads. pé¿pâûpé¦pü»pé¦pé¡pâúpâ¦péÆs½îpüúpüªpüäpéïpÇé wwwwwwwwwww
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1809	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:21:00 - [83] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: People here think only about themselves. And that's all folks, have a good night.
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 395	Posted - 2015.02.21 12:33:00 - [84] - Quote The biggest affect of 4 man squads which seems to have been looked over by everyone is that you should see 50% more squads in battle. for those of simple mind i will explain what this will mean you will have a greater chance of being paired against another squad of similar level ! simples ! so the argument of "i can stompz in a 4 man squad just as good as a 6 man cuz i iz so dam l33t " will have far less merit that its previously flawed logic as there is a good chance there will be a counter to your squad. "Attention Axiom shoppers try red its the new blue" - WALL-E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1BQPV-iCkU CCP's update
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2504	Posted - 2015.02.21 13:11:00 - [85] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Honestly, I've found their move to 6 person squads a little odd given you can only field two full squads on a full team. The only time we had even squad distribution was when they were 4 people. The only way to keep 6 person squads working is if they bump team size from 16 to 18 to accommodate a third full squad. This has been suggested before and they chose not to out of map balance. Apparently 2 more people per team would change the map dynamic enough to crate an imbalance... Agree that 6 man squads were odd, but it was a request from the community. I never bought the 'map balance' argument. For my money it's game engine/framerate. PSN: RationalSpark
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18699	Posted - 2015.02.21 19:09:00 - [86] - Quote second biggest effect of 4 man squads is hooking up 2 4 man squads or 3 four man squads for 4 four man squads. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2462	Posted - 2015.02.21 19:36:00 - [87] - Quote All you proto stomping hardcore vets out of this thread! This is the thread for us casual <2 kdr scrub noobs. We will take back the pub mode we deserved! People find this this review helpful!
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1617	Posted - 2015.02.22 10:32:00 - [88] - Quote I don't know, CCP is trying to encourage players to join squads and join big corps with the new things and then they discourage team playing to buff lone wolves. I'm ok with it because of New players and newbs but if you are a vet you should not be proud of being a lone wolf, you should not be protected doing this. Playing with your team and friends is not a bad thing. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!


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