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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:15:00 -
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Okay, this is now getting annoying. I understand the whole concept of EWAR. But when one perseon can keep permascanning (can provife 360 permascans if they have the right mouse) with no risk whatsoever. It needs to be changed.
Either take away the team share active scans or make it so whenever the activer scanner is used, the user is shown as a bright red dot on the map for all enemies to see. Right now it's too rewarding with little to no risks.
inb4 use dampeners
Changes to Damage mods!
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4lbert Wesker
WESKER S.T.A.R.S
101
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:17:00 -
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I know your feeling...Few hours ago I was scanned 90% of match...I had feeling that red team had 16 scouts...
Public skirmish = camping games
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6208
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:29:00 -
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Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. |
LT SHANKS
You In The Nutz
5141
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:35:00 -
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Instead of using damps, scan them right back!!! |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
7492
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:37:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy
I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner.
It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1140
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:51:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have been scanned this week. The difference in HP stacking vs dampening I guess. My assaults all have 27db profile. that is one complex one basic dampener. You can stack hp but not dampeners and then come and complain about them. Don't know why CCP made mods other than HP since that is the only ones people like you expect to use.
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Big miku
Nation of Miku
393
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:52:00 -
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WP FARM SUIT
2 UPLINKS & 2 SCANNERS
Drop uplinks, hide and scan, receive WP |
Varoth Drac
State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance
586
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:54:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have been scanned this week. The difference in HP stacking vs dampening I guess. My assaults all have 27db profile. that is one complex one basic dampener. You can stack hp but not dampeners and then come and complain about them. Don't know why CCP made mods other than HP since that is the only ones people like you expect to use. The sense, it's blinding me! |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
1296
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:56:00 -
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Scout not Scanned? U REsed, Knifed or shotgunned.
Thanxx for short delay after decloak.
Please support fair play!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7232
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:57:00 -
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I got SCAN PREVENTED in an undamped Quafe Logi Suit.
It was hilarious.
It warmed my cold little black heart.
AV
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Nos Nothi
2549
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:13:00 -
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Three complex dampeners on my Sever just for the ***** and giggles. Along with nova knife. ZN-28 NK to be exact.
SCAN. ATTEMPT. PREVENTED.
ALL. DAMN. DAY.
As i feel for you that awareness has gone down and crutch reliance has gone up, there is a counter albiet very sacrifice counter. But its a counter.
Recon is an Art
Scout since 1.4 (poorly) IMHO GK.0 & MK.0
Roden & Kaalakiota AC-1 LTT/B
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Timtron Victory
Horizons' Edge
405
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:22:00 -
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I usually run a proto proximity scanner fitted in a Front line suit just for the LOLs. RATATATA
RATATATAGäó
CCP WhoeverGäó
Proud Christian
Jesus Loves You
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
1046
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:32:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have been scanned this week. The difference in HP stacking vs dampening I guess. My assaults all have 27db profile. that is one complex one basic dampener. You can stack hp but not dampeners and then come and complain about them. Don't know why CCP made mods other than HP since that is the only ones people like you expect to use. If TTK wasn't too damn short and anti-armor weapons weren't an over abundance in the battlefield, sure I would stack dampeners.
But knowing that Gallente Assaults are not that good and relly on good reps to stay alive, yeah. On my shield suits I run dampeners on lows.
PS: I'm rocking a Federation Spartan. Which comes with one Dampener.
On top of that, all my Gallente Assault suits have less than 500 armor so I am not really stacking up on armor but on reps.
Changes to Damage mods!
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1141
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:48:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:voidfaction wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have been scanned this week. The difference in HP stacking vs dampening I guess. My assaults all have 27db profile. that is one complex one basic dampener. You can stack hp but not dampeners and then come and complain about them. Don't know why CCP made mods other than HP since that is the only ones people like you expect to use. If TTK wasn't too damn short and anti-armor weapons weren't an over abundance in the battlefield, sure I would stack dampeners. But knowing that Gallente Assaults are not that good and relly on good reps to stay alive, yeah. On my shield suits I run dampeners on lows. PS: I'm rocking a Federation Spartan. Which comes with one Dampener. On top of that, all my Gallente Assault suits have less than 500 armor so I am not really stacking up on armor but on reps. I have my gal assault running cloak or proto scanner with 27db profile. one for solo and one for running with the blob both with more HP than my scout and most of the time the same profile.
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Timtron Victory
Horizons' Edge
405
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:21:00 -
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My problem with matches is that sometimes the players pushing objectives are so few that being dampened doesnt matter as its only a few guys so the enemies cant be distracted. Other times I have moved around like a ghost haha
RATATATAGäó
CCP WhoeverGäó
Proud Christian
Jesus Loves You
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1141
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:39:00 -
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If you see your target first then HP is not needed as much. If you see your target first then DMG mods are also better unless your like me and just cant aim worth crap, lol HP is still king no doubt about that.
If they meta-lock pub matches then you will see less you have been scanned. You wont have that 1-2 proto gal logi standing in the corner with 4 scanners. The only good scanner is proto and at 7, 8, 9 meta each with high cpu/pg I dont expect they will be much of a problem. but than again those that need all the HP will still be scanned because they rely on absorbing dmg not avoiding it. |
Apocalyptic Destroyer
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
296
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:53:00 -
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Increase cool down of scanners, by 10 or20 seconds. Knowing the enemies exact location and direction and including tanks and uplinks shouldn't be abused as it is now.
True Amarr In Disguise
Pain is weakness leaving the body
Proto : ADS Pilot, Tanker Ak.0 : Mando, Scout, Assault
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hold that
Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention
633
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:09:00 -
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Big miku wrote:WP FARM SUIT
2 UPLINKS & 2 SCANNERS
Drop uplinks, hide and scan, receive WP
also carry SL and BP |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6215
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:10:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. No one complained about scanners when scouts are all they needed (even though scanners didn't change anything from then except the team scans).
Stop crying.
Use damps. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6215
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:13:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:voidfaction wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have been scanned this week. The difference in HP stacking vs dampening I guess. My assaults all have 27db profile. that is one complex one basic dampener. You can stack hp but not dampeners and then come and complain about them. Don't know why CCP made mods other than HP since that is the only ones people like you expect to use. If TTK wasn't too damn short and anti-armor weapons weren't an over abundance in the battlefield, sure I would stack dampeners. But knowing that Gallente Assaults are not that good and relly on good reps to stay alive, yeah. On my shield suits I run dampeners on lows. PS: I'm rocking a Federation Spartan. Which comes with one Dampener. On top of that, all my Gallente Assault suits have less than 500 armor so I am not really stacking up on armor but on reps. Assaults have the old scout profile now. That's a major buff to their profile. If you want to dodge scans, go scout or damp. |
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
7495
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:18:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. No one complained about scanners when scouts are all they needed (even though scanners didn't change anything from then except the team scans). Stop crying. Use damps. Everyone complained about scanners the second they were put in the game. Where the hell have you been?
Besides, the last time I killed you I was using a dampened Assault.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
428
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:23:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. No one complained about scanners when scouts are all they needed (even though scanners didn't change anything from then except the team scans). Stop crying. Use damps. Yea we did, thats why they were nerfed. Are you seriously defending wallhacks? I can damp up but what about the blueberries? What about the uplinks? What about commandos? What about any suit that doesn't have enough lows? Then lets not forget that one of the balancing factors of heavies is completely negated by active scanners
Truth is scanners are cheap as hell and i am REALLY happy that people are finally bitching about it
"In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane"
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DDx77
The Exemplars RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:29:00 -
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YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED.YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED.YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
It is dumb
Seriously just remove it from the team and it will be fine
Boosting : Allowing the server to protect people from other countries from taking damage
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1143
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:32:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:Increase cool down of scanners, by 10 or20 seconds. Knowing the enemies exact location and direction and including tanks and uplinks shouldn't be abused as it is now. How is knowing there is 5 proto uplinks on a roof you can not get to without a dropship abuse? the abuse is having 5 uplinks on a roof you can not get to without a dropship. uplinks that take a proto scanner to detect. You choose assault to be the slayer and scout to not be detected. assaults can dampen so the abuse is your stacking HP when there are other options if you do not want to be scanned.
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1143
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:37:00 -
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DDx77 wrote:YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED.YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED.YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNEDYOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
It is dumb
Seriously just remove it from the team and it will be fine Mine says SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Drives me nuts. They should just remove scanners if they are not going to scan me so I can stack more HP instead of dampeners.
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jordy mack
WarRavens
275
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:38:00 -
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ok no more scans for u :) got any problem with reps and a needle? should i ditch those too?
Less QQ more PewPew
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axis alpha
Ahrendee Mercenaries
630
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:38:00 -
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If you are not a scout and don't have damps don't come in here and complain. Its that's simple.
Were you around before they were nerfed?
It was horrid.
I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
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axis alpha
Ahrendee Mercenaries
632
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:41:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. No one complained about scanners when scouts are all they needed (even though scanners didn't change anything from then except the team scans). Stop crying. Use damps. Everyone complained about scanners the second they were put in the game. Where the hell have you been? Besides, the last time I killed you I was using a dampened Assault. *Throws two core nades at deadly and Joel*
I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6216
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:43:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. No one complained about scanners when scouts are all they needed (even though scanners didn't change anything from then except the team scans). Stop crying. Use damps. Everyone complained about scanners the second they were put in the game. Where the hell have you been? Besides, the last time I killed you I was using a dampened Assault. They were broken the second they were put in the game. They're in a better place now. 360 scans are only possible within 100m (I think) with 2 proto scanners, or 4 of the rest. Plus, Mediums can get below the STD one without any skills, and easily get below the ADV one.
As for your comment about killing me: everyone kills me. I kill myself quite often as well. That comment is about as useful as shit on a stick.
@Judas, yes, I am defending wall hacks to a certain extent. I don't like team scans as much as the next guy, but if anyone wants to go under scans, they damp. If they don't have enough lows, oopsie daisy. Scanners are just a tool to point people to the right direction, they won't get anybody kills by themselves.
I don't understand the heavy balancing part. Are you saying that because they're scanned, they lose out on potential wins? Because they were always eHP> all class.
Scanners are cheap, but those that skilled into a gk.0 and a proto scanner will have to spend some serious isk and lose out on WP if they're squadless (unlike with every other equipment).
If you say "everyone must be allowed to dodge proto scans if fitted properly", then would I be allowed to say "everyone should be allowed to have 1000 armor of fitted properly"? Because it's pretty much the same thing. Different suits have different specializations. If you want to damp, go Gallente Scout. If you want supreme wallhacks for a limited time depending on your tools, use the Gallente Logistics. So on and so forth. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6216
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:44:00 -
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axis alpha wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. No one complained about scanners when scouts are all they needed (even though scanners didn't change anything from then except the team scans). Stop crying. Use damps. Everyone complained about scanners the second they were put in the game. Where the hell have you been? Besides, the last time I killed you I was using a dampened Assault. *Throws two core nades at deadly and Joel* CURSE YOU! |
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1143
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:57:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:ok no more scans for u :) got any problem with reps and a needle? should i ditch those too? Yes, It is hard enough to kill the sentinel while your repairing them only to revive them after. Your abusing the unlimited reps and revives. they should nerf them so you can only rep for 5s then have to wait for 10s to recharge unless you carry 4. Your needles should need refilled and only hold 3 charges each Both should only give you WP if they are in your squad.
JK
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echo47
Sacrilege of Fatal Arms
277
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Posted - 2015.02.17 03:11:00 -
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Since we have team scan why not team damp. Would love to a see squad leader subsytem that lowers the profile of his squad. Or even a subsystem that lowers the profile of individual mercs.
Scanners are the biggest contributor when it comes to stomps in pubs. Guaranteed method for a stomp scan for uplinks destroy uplinks control spawn points. No squad or proto gear needed.
Scanners will never change until PC players complain, which will be never. They need easy mode stress free pubs to farm.
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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Powerh8er
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
669
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Posted - 2015.02.17 03:31:00 -
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Ive been scanned my whole career as an UP and then finally OP "easymode" heavy in dust. Its basically half the the intelligence. "You have been scanned! Oh dear, better get ready for trouble then. lalala"
I admit skilling into gal logis recently enjoying something new called ewar as a 60 mill sp vet, for me in dust.
Get good.
HMG is fun because it kills red dots.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
800
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:59:00 -
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Replace the scanner with something that involves painting targets that you can see... Watch as the 'Scout' role becomes more interesting. Ewar can then determine how far away you can be scanned from, with no limits on the scanners range, just relying on skill of the player scanning, to see and determine if they can manage the scan from where they are.
Different variants could balance between being able to 'paint' more targets for shorter time period, or 'paint' less targets for longer (as a way to pick out 'key' enemies & vehicles.) |
EET SUM MOR
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:02:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Okay, this is now getting annoying. I understand the whole concept of EWAR. But when one perseon can keep permascanning (can provife 360 permascans if they have the right mouse) with no risk whatsoever. It needs to be changed.
Either take away the team share active scans or make it so whenever the activer scanner is used, the user is shown as a bright red dot on the map for all enemies to see. Right now it's too rewarding with little to no risks.
inb4 use dampeners
Why are you complaining asking for a further EWAR nerf?? We've had enough limitations, EWAR is messed up already, just use dampeners and quit spamming tears around, go for a walk in the park instead... |
Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
1052
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:32:00 -
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EET SUM MOR wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:Okay, this is now getting annoying. I understand the whole concept of EWAR. But when one perseon can keep permascanning (can provife 360 permascans if they have the right mouse) with no risk whatsoever. It needs to be changed.
Either take away the team share active scans or make it so whenever the activer scanner is used, the user is shown as a bright red dot on the map for all enemies to see. Right now it's too rewarding with little to no risks.
inb4 use dampeners Why are you complaining asking for a further EWAR nerf?? We've had enough limitations, EWAR is messed up already, just use dampeners and quit spamming tears around, go for a walk in the park instead... *sigh* Story time.
Rattati nerfed the cloaks do to them being too rewarding and not enough risk. And by this time, people used similar responses to what you guys are saying now. I will quote them.
"Get gud" "Use your eyes" "Always look behind you" "Run scanners"
Tho, many Scouts said that the only worth while cloak to use was the proto cloak. And the STD was utter crap. Cloaks by then made a player invsible, while still maintaining their passive scans and the cloak offered a dampening bonus.
Almost all of this was nerfed because Rattti founded that Scouts running cloaks where far more on the rewarding side and too far away from the risk side. Even tho equipping a cloak benefitted one player.
Keep in mind that if a Scout wanted to run cloaks effectively they needed to have that Scout suit level 5 and proto cloaks to actually be of some use.
Now, with Gal Logis and active scanners it is all backwards. Tho, while the cloak only benefits one player, even back when Uprising 1.8 launched (when they where extremely OP only one player could benefit from the ude of a cloak). Active Scanners in the other hand, benefit the WHOLE team. Mix that with a Gal Logi and you have yourself scans that last a lot.
Now, the same but mirrored arguements are being brought up "Run damps" "Run a dampened scout" "Kill the scanner"
With the same arguements used by scouts back then but just replace "scouts" with Gallente Logistic and "cloak" with "active scanner" What do we get? "The only way for a Gallente Logi to be effective with scans if i for him to have Galente Logistics at Level 5 and use Proto Active scanners to be anywhere near effective" see? The Active scanner has a cool down time, yes. But this is negated by equipping all equipment slots with scanners, sit in one spot and just provide endless scans that the whole team can see for prolonged time.
Cloaks were nerfed do to them being too rewarding and less risky. Well Gallente Logistics with active scanners are the same. Espcially in Ambush. That game mode was bad, but thanks to this scans being thrown everywhere having enemies already storming my spawn area before my team even spawns there.
All I am asking is for when a scan is thrown, there should be a bright red dot where the scanner threw the scan. That way there will be at least some risk involved into this tactic.
Changes to Damage mods!
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
1243
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Posted - 2015.02.17 10:26:00 -
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One gallogi with 4 proto flux scanners has a little over 30 seconds of scan time, with almost 4 mins of downtime. 2 or 3 damps can get under EVERY other scanner. If you are being permascanned, either you aren't running a damp suit, or there is more than 1 logi running nothing but scans. Scans are worthless to anything but a gallogi, yet I see people crying daily about them. Seriously, run damps or GTFO.
'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
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iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game RUST415
684
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Posted - 2015.02.17 11:22:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Shut up, Buwaro. Use damps. ^Screw this guy I understand the OP though. I feel like the quality of gameplay really went down the gutter when the active scanner was introduced. People used to need awareness. Now you just need a scanner. It puts people in weaker suits at an extreme disadvantage because scanners force you to fight people head on instead of on your terms. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have been scanned this week. The difference in HP stacking vs dampening I guess. My assaults all have 27db profile. that is one complex one basic dampener. You can stack hp but not dampeners and then come and complain about them. Don't know why CCP made mods other than HP since that is the only ones people like you expect to use. cause the scrub with the scanner only has to sacrifice 1 equipment slot and no hp, while the one be scanned has to sacrifice 2 to 3 lows to beat the scans
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Posted - 2015.02.17 11:32:00 -
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it's like you guys only run one fit. if you keep getting scanned switch to a damped fit. if you keep getting scanned by proto gal logi scans, switch to a proto damped fit |
JUDASisMYhomeboy
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Posted - 2015.02.17 17:49:00 -
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Someone just explain to me how scanners make the game better?
"In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane"
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:07:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:Someone just explain to me how scanners make the game better?
Because we have damped scouts.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:13:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:Someone just explain to me how scanners make the game better? Because we have damped scouts. Oh geez ok. F it lets all run scouts then. Just remove all the other suits from the game we don't need them anymore
"In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane"
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:17:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:Someone just explain to me how scanners make the game better? Because we have damped scouts. Oh geez ok. F it lets all run scouts then. Just remove all the other suits from the game we don't need them anymore Lol |
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