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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.15 15:17:00 -
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How many of yall think:
Think scouts are fine
Need a bit of work
Need to be completely overhauled
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1944
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Posted - 2015.02.15 15:20:00 -
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Ewar needs to be buffed back to previous levels, other than that, I'd say they're balanced at this point. Strafing Caldari scouts are still annoying and hard as hell to kill, but so are strafing Minmatar and Caldari assaults. That's another topic though.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
7862
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Posted - 2015.02.15 16:46:00 -
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I think certain aspects need work on, while others are just fine.
At this point, I would rather see some of the other suits adjusted correctly (Speed and HP on Commando, Logi, and Assault).
Amarr really needs a role.
And fix the cloaking switch bugs like sprinting after switching to weapons negates the switch and leaves you defenseless, or how switching from an equipped but inactive cloak still forces the delay.
There are some indirect buffs that will come with backpedal and myofibril and I think that is a good place to start with. I would rather make small changes as needed going forward than some of the bigger changes that have occured.
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Francois Sanchez
Prima Gallicus
250
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Posted - 2015.02.15 16:47:00 -
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They're overall fine, just move the ewar bonuses to modules and take away the ridiculous scan range penalty of the cloak and I think it will be perfect. |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Nos Nothi
2546
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Posted - 2015.02.15 17:04:00 -
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Bit of tweaking.
Bonus to module equiped, gal get bonus to dampener etc.
Buff base shield regen on assaults Cal and Min. IMHO theres no way a scout suit with no bonus to shield regen quicker (my gal scout)
then a suit based off shields Cal and Min.
I think a buff to Logi HP in general, mostly for lower levels is due.
I want my favorite suits tweaked but others need tweaking as well to not make it scout 514 all over again.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2986
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Posted - 2015.02.15 18:01:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Ewar needs to be buffed back to previous levels, other than that, I'd say they're balanced at this point. Strafing Caldari scouts are still annoying and hard as hell to kill, but so are strafing Minmatar and Caldari assaults. That's another topic though.
I wouldn't say back to previous levels but they definitely need a buff.
-Scout base range to 25m
-Complex Range Amps to 1.2
-Scan ranges to 20%/75%/100%
-Remove passive scan chevron to mini-map only
This should make passive scanning worth fitting without making it overpowered. The passive on minimap only espceically because it limits shared results with only those squad mates nearby.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1527
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:20:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:How many of yall think:
Think scouts are fine
Need a bit of work
Need to be completely overhauled
Still overperforming with high alpha weapons, SG, RE's and NK.
Because, that's why.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
12064
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:22:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Ewar needs to be buffed
LOL 
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
2129
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:24:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:How many of yall think:
Think scouts are fine
Need a bit of work
Need to be completely overhauled Still overperforming with high alpha weapons, SG, RE's and NK.
Lol. Same could be said for heavies.
Heavies are still overperforming with extreme DPS murder guns good from 0-30 meters.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
906
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:25:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:How many of yall think:
Think scouts are fine
Need a bit of work
Need to be completely overhauled Still overperforming with high alpha weapons, SG, RE's and NK. Lol. Same could be said for heavies. Heavies are still overperforming with extreme DPS murder guns good from 0-30 meters.
Heavies op within 30 meters?
Working as intended.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
926
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:33:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:
Heavies op within 30 meters?
Working as intended.
30 meters is way too much for the dps it's shove down your throat.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
2129
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:36:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:
Heavies op within 30 meters?
Working as intended.
My point was the stupidity of his post, in which case it worked.
NKs and shotguns OP within 5 meters?
Working as intended.
REs OP within AT MOST 10 meters?
Working as intended.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
906
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:43:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:
Heavies op within 30 meters?
Working as intended.
30 meters is way too much for the dps it's shove down your throat.
A scout can close the distance of 30 meters on a heavy in a couple seconds and deal a ohk
A heavy cannot close that distance and needs some amount of range to compensate.
Do you guys even pc?
Heavies get wrecked by scouts.
And vice versa, therefore it's pretty balanced.
And if you're not an idiot and rush head on with a sentinel they're easy to kill
I've killed heavies with my scout
I've killed heavies with my heavy
I've killed heavies with my assault
I've killed heavies with my commando
I've even killed heavies with my logi.
What's the problem?
A rail rifle can kill you at 70 meters and can be put on a highly mobile suit
An hmg only gets 30 ish meters but is on a very slow suit.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
906
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:47:00 -
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I guarantee everyone who complains about heavies have never tried to play as one themselves.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
926
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:49:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:
Stupid crap
So because a suit is killed it's balanced? 5 meters a second is obviously not slow enough because they get the most kills per spawn. 5m/s*30m=150m^2/s it takes only seconds to get within range to wreck face in a heavy that is way stronger than scouts, at least scouts go down easy when you catch them even if they can "ohk".
Edit: I've been a heavy in every sense before pc and pubs and it's super easy.
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Izlare Lenix
Pub Stars
1258
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:51:00 -
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I have adv commando, pro scout, pro heavy/hmg, and 3 pro assaults. I use them all frequently and personally I think Dust is currently the most balanced it has ever been in the 18+ months I have been playing.
Scouts were too OP before the ewar/ cloak nerf. I think they are perfect now.
The only thing I think could be done to fully balance the game would be a slight reduction in HMG range and a slight reduction in sentinel turning speed. Heavy/hmg spam is still an issue and I think these two small tweaks still help without crushing the role and purpose of the hmg.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
906
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:53:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:
Stupid crap
So because a suit is killed it's balanced? 5 meters a second is obviously not slow enough because they get the most kills per spawn. 5m/s*30m=150m^2/s it takes only seconds to get within range to wreck face in a heavy that is way stronger than scouts, at least scouts go down easy when you catch them even if they can "ohk". Edit: I've been a heavy in every sense before pc and pubs and it's super easy.
We get it. You're a scout.
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
317
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:13:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Bit of tweaking.
Buff base shield regen on assaults Cal and Min. IMHO theres no way a scout suit with no bonus to shield regen quicker (my gal scout)
then a suit based off shields Cal and Min.
So then what's your opinion on the min assault being faster than the amarr scout?
Also min are not exclusive shield tankers. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
5394
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:15:00 -
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Bit of tweaking.
Buff base shield regen on assaults Cal and Min. IMHO theres no way a scout suit with no bonus to shield regen quicker (my gal scout)
then a suit based off shields Cal and Min. So then what's your opinion on the min assault being faster than the amarr scout? Also min are not exclusive shield tankers.
Don't even... I cried that chant so many times and all I got was "lore" finally gave up and spec the damn suit myself two days ago.
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Big miku
Nation of Miku
389
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:25:00 -
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lol, scout thread is turning into a heavy thread.
Also, you nerds know that the heavy spent a little under HALF is ammo to kill you at 30+m if you are moving?
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
317
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:27:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Bit of tweaking.
Buff base shield regen on assaults Cal and Min. IMHO theres no way a scout suit with no bonus to shield regen quicker (my gal scout)
then a suit based off shields Cal and Min. So then what's your opinion on the min assault being faster than the amarr scout? Also min are not exclusive shield tankers. Don't even... I cried that chant so many times and all I got was "lore" finally gave up and spec the damn suit myself two days ago.
That amarr scout stamina bonus is also stupid, huge stamina pools are supposed to be innate for amarr - it needs to be replaced with something more useful, you don't see the cal scout having 30HP shield regen then getting +20% to shield regen per level to compensate, it's innate. |
emm kay
Direct Action Resources
259
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:29:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:How many of yall think:
Think scouts are fine
Need a bit of work
Need to be completely overhauled
Scouts need another EWAR mechanic (maype profeciency skills for EWAR)
Min scout needs some love.
Amarr scout needs a speed buff
Cal scout is nice as is
Gal scout is a professional suit, and it really depens on the user
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
266
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:33:00 -
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emm kay wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:How many of yall think:
Think scouts are fine
Need a bit of work
Need to be completely overhauled Scouts need another EWAR mechanic (maype profeciency skills for EWAR) Min scout needs some love. Amarr scout needs a speed buff Cal scout is nice as is Gal scout is a professional suit, and it really depens on the user
replace character with min scout
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
926
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:34:00 -
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emm kay wrote:
Min scout needs some love.
It really doesn't
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
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Francois Sanchez
Prima Gallicus
251
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:53:00 -
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My minja is fine leave it as it is thx
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Mex-0
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
389
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Posted - 2015.02.15 21:57:00 -
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Maybe you could give us minjas a tiny bit of extra HP? ^^
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
927
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Posted - 2015.02.15 22:01:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:Maybe you could give us minjas a tiny bit of extra HP? ^^
No, you don't need it
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
2135
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Posted - 2015.02.15 22:03:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:Maybe you could give us minjas a tiny bit of extra HP? ^^
No
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
452
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Posted - 2015.02.15 22:08:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:How many of yall think:
Think scouts are fine
Need a bit of work
Need to be completely overhauled Still overperforming with high alpha weapons, SG, RE's and NK. Lol. Same could be said for heavies. Heavies are still overperforming with extreme DPS murder guns good from 0-30 meters. Heavies op within 30 meters? Working as intended.
The nature of the game requiring you to be within 30 meters to get anything done? Heavies OP due to this requirement.
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Big miku
Nation of Miku
390
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Posted - 2015.02.15 22:15:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:The nature of the game requiring you to be within 30 meters to get anything done? Heavies OP due to this requirement.
That means Scouts are the most powerful class, cause you have to get within 1 meter to hack an objective, prefect range for a Nova Knife.
Nope, Heavies are fine, the problem is Assaults that think they should be allowed to effortlessly 1v1 every suit in the game. |
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