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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7206	Posted - 2015.02.15 04:58:00 - [1] - Quote alright knuckleheads I'm gonna throw out aconcept and we're going to break it, then see if we can put it back together in a semi-balanced way: Shield recharge is the keystone of shield tanking. So let's look at the reps. there's no shield transporter, and I'm willing to bet that's a ways off. So let's look at the two recharge delay penalties. We have two, which seems redundant. So let's assume the only recharge delay we keep is the depleted delay. Regen happens until your shields pop. What breaks? Can you think of a way to mitigate this? Bear in mind the recharge penalty on extenders is a depleted delay penalty, so it doesn't affect the "Your shields are at half" delay. AV
jordy mack WarRavens Capital Punishment. 271	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:05:00 - [2] - Quote make it a low slot mod that reduces ur regen rate but eliminates the delay? Less QQ more PewPew
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7206	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:07:00 - [3] - Quote jordy mack wrote: make it a low slot mod that reduces ur regen rate but eliminates the delay? this is a mental exercise to see if the concept easily breaks under the strain of math. if it doesn't, then well we may have found the buff shields needed. AV
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15636	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:16:00 - [4] - Quote A Shield Extender on an Assault will raise your regen to 40HP/s (maybe 50HP/s on the CalAssault), so you would be negating at most 10% Weapon DPS. It would be a buff to those who quickly shift between cover and would make Shield suits difficult to destroy if you're not a a good shot and keep missing but beyond that I don't see it causing many problems. It might also give the Cal/MinSents an advantage over the Gal/AmSents if there in a place with cover to get behind. Could possibly become a problem if someone decides to stack Enegizers, but that will destroy your CPU to the point where you couldn't make a good fit, and it reduces your potential Shield HP along with reducing your actual HP thanks to the penalty so it wouldn't be viable outside of troll posts. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7206	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:17:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: A Shield Extender on an Assault will raise your regen to 40HP/s (maybe 50HP/s on the CalAssault), so you would be negating at most 10% Weapon DPS. It would be a buff to those who quickly shift between cover and would make Shield suits difficult to destroy if you're not a a good shot and keep missing but beyond that I don't see it causing many problems. It might also give the Cal/MinSents an advantage over the Gal/AmSents if there in a place with cover to get behind. Could possibly become a problem if someone decides to stack Enegizers, but that will destroy your CPU to the point where you couldn't make a good fit, and it reduces your potential Shield HP along with reducing your actual HP thanks to the penalty so it wouldn't be viable outside of troll posts. extenders don't affect regen rates atiim. Only rechargers and energizers do that. Extenders penalize your depleted delay. AV
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15637	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:19:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Atiim wrote: A Shield Extender on an Assault will raise your regen to 40HP/s (maybe 50HP/s on the CalAssault), so you would be negating at most 10% Weapon DPS. It would be a buff to those who quickly shift between cover and would make Shield suits difficult to destroy if you're not a a good shot and keep missing but beyond that I don't see it causing many problems. It might also give the Cal/MinSents an advantage over the Gal/AmSents if there in a place with cover to get behind. Could possibly become a problem if someone decides to stack Enegizers, but that will destroy your CPU to the point where you couldn't make a good fit, and it reduces your potential Shield HP along with reducing your actual HP thanks to the penalty so it wouldn't be viable outside of troll posts. extenders don't affect regen rates atiim. Only rechargers and energizers do that. Extenders penalize your depleted delay. I meant to type Shield Energizer. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7206	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:30:00 - [7] - Quote what HP/S level breaks the game do you think? AV
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 926	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:34:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: what HP/S level breaks the game do you think? 100hp/s and above is game breaking. If there is only a depeleted delay then it defeats the purpose of tanking. If you run out of shield, you should die because it is your main tank. It's the same with armor. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Jathniel Ahrendee Mercenaries 1476	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:44:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: alright knuckleheads I'm gonna throw out a concept and we're going to break it, then see if we can put it back together in a semi-balanced way: Shield recharge is the keystone of shield tanking. So let's look at the reps. there's no shield transporter, and I'm willing to bet that's a ways off. So let's look at the two recharge delay penalties. We have two, which seems redundant. So let's assume the only recharge delay we keep is the depleted delay. Regen happens until your shields pop. What breaks? Can you think of a way to mitigate this? Bear in mind the recharge penalty on extenders is a depleted delay penalty, so it doesn't affect the "Your shields are at half" delay. No recharge delay and only depleted delay? All shield suits break. Regen doesn't happen gradually, the regen amount is always steady. If it says it regens at 50 hp/s, it literally gives you an instant fat 50 points of HP every second. Only the animation on the indicator shows a gradual change. Shield suits will break. Especially during direct strafing combat. Shield suits would be invincible to almost all weapons except ones with the highest alpha. Solutions. This can be mitigated by many means: 1. Percentage-based Shield Failure - The total %age of the shield = the total %age of damage deflected from armor. Shields full, zero damage to armor. Shields at 50%, 50% projectile damage bleeds through to armor. Etc. (Demonstrated HERE.) 2. Delayed Recharge Delay - Current recharge delay mechanics don't initiate until total shield %age drops below 50% 3. Aggression Penalty - Shields continue to regen no matter what damage is sustained. But firing your weapon halts the regen, for 0.5 seconds. 4. Flux Penalty - Flux grenades knock shields and regulators offline, AND triple depleted delay. 5. Passive Energy Consumption Penalty - Sprinting, moving, and firing have cumulative effects of reducing regen speed. 30% each. 6. Keep the current recharge delay, and add a damage threshold. Retired
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2076	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:46:00 - [10] - Quote How about a mod that increases the damage it takes to stop regen. Who wants some?

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7207	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:58:00 - [11] - Quote so at two 25% mods that brings the regen of a calassault up to 50/s roughly. this seems enough to mitigate some fire from a scram if you're not getting hit 100% Given the much deeper HP pools or armor, I'm willing to bet 50-60 regen won't break a lot. this is to see where the sweet spot lies. because there's got to be a way to do this. AV
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 926	Posted - 2015.02.15 06:06:00 - [12] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: so at two 25% mods that brings the regen of a calassault up to 50/s roughly. this seems enough to mitigate some fire from a scram if you're not getting hit 100% Given the much deeper HP pools or armor, I'm willing to bet 50-60 regen won't break a lot. this is to see where the sweet spot lies. because there's got to be a way to do this. This is how an optimal shield tank suit is fit if it helps figure junk out. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7207	Posted - 2015.02.15 06:09:00 - [13] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: so at two 25% mods that brings the regen of a calassault up to 50/s roughly. this seems enough to mitigate some fire from a scram if you're not getting hit 100% Given the much deeper HP pools or armor, I'm willing to bet 50-60 regen won't break a lot. this is to see where the sweet spot lies. because there's got to be a way to do this. This is how an optimal shield tank suit is fit if it helps figure junk out. that's almost identical to the setup I was fiddling with AV
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 926	Posted - 2015.02.15 06:14:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: that's almost identical to the setup I was fiddling with Well this is how most shield tankers suggest fittings to others, it's also my main example to demonstrate that shield tanking isn't that bad. 540 shields you get almost all of it back in 10 seconds I don't see a problem with shield tanking, but maybe someone will point it out to me. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7207	Posted - 2015.02.15 06:25:00 - [15] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: that's almost identical to the setup I was fiddling with Well this is how most shield tankers suggest fittings to others, it's also my main example to demonstrate that shield tanking isn't that bad. 540 shields you get almost all of it back in 10 seconds I don't see a problem with shield tanking, but maybe someone will point it out to me. the problem most people have is the comparatively shallow potential EHP pool combined with the horrendous damage that a viziam laser rifle or scrambler will do to your suit. plasma rifles are just as bad, as is getting caught in a PLC splash. But the simple fact is shield suits can't take as much of a beating. this isn't a problem per se but for example, the base delay of a calassault (non-depleted) is 4 seconds of losing your cool, but if you get your shields completely dumped it's a base of 1 sec. I was thinking if we simply changed the depletedon the suits to the higher values and eliminated the non-depleted somehow it would allow enough mitigation to allow them not to die instantly to a random shieldcracker AV
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15164	Posted - 2015.02.15 13:54:00 - [16] - Quote It would make shield suits OP as ** lol Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!**
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 263	Posted - 2015.02.15 14:05:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It would make shield suits OP as **** lol No, not really, shields die extremely fast atm, this would at least make shield users be able to fight scr users, and have regen over armor. Keep in mind shields can be depleted in under a second, so it would be fine. Molestia approved
Powerh8er Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 665	Posted - 2015.02.15 14:37:00 - [18] - Quote Nerds!
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15164	Posted - 2015.02.15 17:13:00 - [19] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It would make shield suits OP as ** lol No, not really, shields die extremely fast atm, this would at least make shield users be able to fight scr users, and have regen over armor. Keep in mind shields can be depleted in under a second, so it would be fine. Let me paint a picture for you. The average PROTO Cal Assault these days runs 620 shields or so. That's 4 extenders and an energizer. The average Gal Assault these days runs around 540-600 armor (depending on the various combinations of reactives, repairers and ferroscales). Combat Rifles have a -15%/+15% profile. Now do you see why I laugh when shield users cry about the laser profile? Ask my Gallente Assault how long I last under combat rifle fire Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!**
MrShooter01 Ustio Mercenary Squadron 1367	Posted - 2015.02.15 17:38:00 - [20] - Quote Here's a prototype caldari sentinel I threw together in a minute on protofits (no idea if I did it right since this is my first time making an account on it and saving a fit) 600 hp shields, 123 hp/s recharge, still enough room for a boundless HMG and a complex regulator. Imagine a blob of these fat bastards with a couple of six kin triage logis hanging around Other thing I would be terrified of is the cal scout. I already want to throw my controller when I encounter a 450 HP stickman that only seems to get hit by one out of every ten bullets, I'd be reduced to a weeping bag of tears if I saw every tiny little bit of red on his health bar just disappear while my magazine runs dry

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 265	Posted - 2015.02.15 20:21:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It would make shield suits OP as **** lol No, not really, shields die extremely fast atm, this would at least make shield users be able to fight scr users, and have regen over armor. Keep in mind shields can be depleted in under a second, so it would be fine. Let me paint a picture for you. The average PROTO Cal Assault these days runs 620 shields or so. That's 4 extenders and an energizer. The average Gal Assault these days runs around 540-600 armor (depending on the various combinations of reactives, repairers and ferroscales). Combat Rifles have a -15%/+15% profile. Now do you see why I laugh when shield users cry about the laser profile? Ask my Gallente Assault how long I last under combat rifle fire, which is probably the most common rifle on the field right now If Breakin's suggested were to come to pass, shields would have 52hp/s regen on that suit until fully broken. Armor would have 22hp/s or so regardless, and you would have to deal with a 4 second delay to get your 52hp/s back. Ooooh, scary! You obviously don't play armor, or do it correctly. My armor suit has over 600 armor and 30 hp/s regen with 300 shields, or 250, no delay on armor regen, no weapon exept the shotty and LR can instakill armor, while almost everything instakills shields. Also, I have no problem killing cal assaults with my CR, if so, I can easily kill them with a burst AR on my scout fit. PPS, armor can get repped and has triage hives. Molestia approved
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 265	Posted - 2015.02.15 20:23:00 - [22] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Here's a prototype caldari sentinel I threw together in a minute on protofits (no idea if I did it right since this is my first time making an account on it and saving a fit) 600 hp shields, 123 hp/s recharge, still enough room for a boundless HMG and a complex regulator. Imagine a blob of these fat bastards with a couple of six kin triage logis hanging around Other thing I would be terrified of is the cal scout. I already want to throw my controller when I encounter a 450 HP stickman that only seems to get hit by one out of every ten bullets, I'd be reduced to a weeping bag of tears if I saw every tiny little bit of red on his health bar just disappear while my magazine runs dry You do know 600 shields on an cal heavy is suicide, right? If you go up vs another proto heavy, you WILL lose, assuming it's a good player and not a scrub in a proto fit. Also, this regen wouldn't apply to scouts, and maybe there would be a max passive reps of 80. Molestia approved
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15164	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:15:00 - [23] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It would make shield suits OP as ** lol No, not really, shields die extremely fast atm, this would at least make shield users be able to fight scr users, and have regen over armor. Keep in mind shields can be depleted in under a second, so it would be fine. Let me paint a picture for you. The average PROTO Cal Assault these days runs 620 shields or so. That's 4 extenders and an energizer. The average Gal Assault these days runs around 540-600 armor (depending on the various combinations of reactives, repairers and ferroscales). Combat Rifles have a -15%/+15% profile. Now do you see why I laugh when shield users cry about the laser profile? Ask my Gallente Assault how long I last under combat rifle fire, which is probably the most common rifle on the field right now If Breakin's suggested were to come to pass, shields would have 52hp/s regen on that suit until fully broken. Armor would have 22hp/s or so regardless, and you would have to deal with a 4 second delay to get your 52hp/s back. Ooooh, scary! You obviously don't play armor, or do it correctly. My armor suit has over 600 armor and 30 hp/s regen with 300 shields, or 250, no delay on armor regen, no weapon exept the shotty and LR can instakill armor, while almost everything instakills shields. Also, I have no problem killing cal assaults with my CR, if so, I can easily kill them with a burst AR on my scout fit. PPS, armor can get repped and has triage hives. Ha haha hahahahaha So basically, you're the bricked kind of armor tanker that I kill without any effort? GG, have fun with that fit. Learn to mobile. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!**
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15164	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:16:00 - [24] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: MrShooter01 wrote: Here's a prototype caldari sentinel I threw together in a minute on protofits (no idea if I did it right since this is my first time making an account on it and saving a fit) 600 hp shields, 123 hp/s recharge, still enough room for a boundless HMG and a complex regulator. Imagine a blob of these fat bastards with a couple of six kin triage logis hanging around Other thing I would be terrified of is the cal scout. I already want to throw my controller when I encounter a 450 HP stickman that only seems to get hit by one out of every ten bullets, I'd be reduced to a weeping bag of tears if I saw every tiny little bit of red on his health bar just disappear while my magazine runs dry You do know 600 shields on an cal heavy is suicide, right? If you go up vs another proto heavy, you WILL lose, assuming it's a good player and not a scrub in a proto fit. Also, this regen wouldn't apply to scouts, and maybe there would be a max passive reps of 80. At 123hp/s, 600 shields is NOT suicide. This suit would be insane in a fight. It's basically a focused rep that doesn't require two people. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:21:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It would make shield suits OP as **** lol No, not really, shields die extremely fast atm, this would at least make shield users be able to fight scr users, and have regen over armor. Keep in mind shields can be depleted in under a second, so it would be fine. Let me paint a picture for you. The average PROTO Cal Assault these days runs 620 shields or so. That's 4 extenders and an energizer. The average Gal Assault these days runs around 540-600 armor (depending on the various combinations of reactives, repairers and ferroscales). Combat Rifles have a -15%/+15% profile. Now do you see why I laugh when shield users cry about the laser profile? Ask my Gallente Assault how long I last under combat rifle fire, which is probably the most common rifle on the field right now If Breakin's suggested were to come to pass, shields would have 52hp/s regen on that suit until fully broken. Armor would have 22hp/s or so regardless, and you would have to deal with a 4 second delay to get your 52hp/s back. Ooooh, scary! You obviously don't play armor, or do it correctly. My armor suit has over 600 armor and 30 hp/s regen with 300 shields, or 250, no delay on armor regen, no weapon exept the shotty and LR can instakill armor, while almost everything instakills shields. Also, I have no problem killing cal assaults with my CR, if so, I can easily kill them with a burst AR on my scout fit. PPS, armor can get repped and has triage hives. Ha haha hahahahaha So basically, you're the bricked kind of armor tanker that I kill without any effort? GG, have fun with that fit. Learn to mobile. Actually, my speed is fine, I'm not an idiot to make my srafe speed slow. and goodluck. Molestia approved
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15165	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:23:00 - [26] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Actually, my speed is fine, I'm not an idiot to make my srafe speed slow. and goodluck. Tell me what you run then. Two enhanced plates and three armor repairers? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:24:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: MrShooter01 wrote: Here's a prototype caldari sentinel I threw together in a minute on protofits (no idea if I did it right since this is my first time making an account on it and saving a fit) 600 hp shields, 123 hp/s recharge, still enough room for a boundless HMG and a complex regulator. Imagine a blob of these fat bastards with a couple of six kin triage logis hanging around Other thing I would be terrified of is the cal scout. I already want to throw my controller when I encounter a 450 HP stickman that only seems to get hit by one out of every ten bullets, I'd be reduced to a weeping bag of tears if I saw every tiny little bit of red on his health bar just disappear while my magazine runs dry You do know 600 shields on an cal heavy is suicide, right? If you go up vs another proto heavy, you WILL lose, assuming it's a good player and not a scrub in a proto fit. Also, this regen wouldn't apply to scouts, and maybe there would be a max passive reps of 80. At 123hp/s, 600 shields is NOT suicide. This suit would be insane in a fight. It's basically a focused rep that doesn't require two people. It's suicide because any heavy will instantly kill you, or close to it, and it takes 3 seconds or so to regen, sl goodluck hiding long enough is a heavy is nearby, and not across a hall. If you were talking about if the changes went through, there would be a max regen speed. Molestia approved
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:25:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Actually, my speed is fine, I'm not an idiot to make my srafe speed slow. and goodluck. Tell me what you run then. Two enhanced plates and three armor repairers? 2 complex, I tried 3 complex plates vs 3 enhanced, didn't really notice a difference so 2 complex. I kill alot with it, combat rifle because. Or assault rail rifle if I feel like it. Really I do much better with it than a pure shield tankedncal assault, nothing instakills me and I have great regen, and a hive. Molestia approved
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 926	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:28:00 - [29] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: It's suicide because any heavy will instantly kill you, or close to it, and it takes 3 seconds or so to regen, sl goodluck hiding long enough is a heavy is nearby, and not across a hall. If you were talking about if the changes went through, there would be a max regen speed. It's not suicide my min scout can tank through HMG damage enough to get away with some shields still intact and it only gets 300 shields. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:29:00 - [30] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: duster 35000 wrote: It's suicide because any heavy will instantly kill you, or close to it, and it takes 3 seconds or so to regen, sl goodluck hiding long enough is a heavy is nearby, and not across a hall. If you were talking about if the changes went through, there would be a max regen speed. It's not suicide my min scout can tank through HMG damage enough to get away with some shields still intact and it only gets 300 shields. A scout...a min scout with higher speed and smaller hitbox. Molestia approved

gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 926	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:33:00 - [31] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: duster 35000 wrote: It's suicide because any heavy will instantly kill you, or close to it, and it takes 3 seconds or so to regen, sl goodluck hiding long enough is a heavy is nearby, and not across a hall. If you were talking about if the changes went through, there would be a max regen speed. It's not suicide my min scout can tank through HMG damage enough to get away with some shields still intact and it only gets 300 shields. A scout...a min scout with higher speed and smaller hitbox. Well it's not like I strafe in it... GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:35:00 - [32] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: duster 35000 wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: duster 35000 wrote: It's suicide because any heavy will instantly kill you, or close to it, and it takes 3 seconds or so to regen, sl goodluck hiding long enough is a heavy is nearby, and not across a hall. If you were talking about if the changes went through, there would be a max regen speed. It's not suicide my min scout can tank through HMG damage enough to get away with some shields still intact and it only gets 300 shields. A scout...a min scout with higher speed and smaller hitbox. Well it's not like I strafe in it... So? Smaller hitbox. a heavy with 600 shields will easily die. I question how I could die so easily, since it takes less damage, but whatever, it's stupid. sometimes you don't die easily, alot of the time you die before you can do any damage for some reason. Molestia approved
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15165	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:35:00 - [33] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Actually, my speed is fine, I'm not an idiot to make my srafe speed slow. and goodluck. Tell me what you run then. Two enhanced plates and three armor repairers? 2 complex, I tried 3 complex plates vs 3 enhanced, didn't really notice a difference so 2 complex. I kill alot with it, combat rifle because. Or assault rail rifle if I feel like it. Really I do much better with it than a pure shield tankedncal assault, nothing instakills me and I have great regen, and a hive. ... lmao You strafe 20% slower than everyone else and move around 10% slower in general. Easy target. No Assault uses complex plates anymore, even the Amarr switched to ferros. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:39:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Actually, my speed is fine, I'm not an idiot to make my srafe speed slow. and goodluck. Tell me what you run then. Two enhanced plates and three armor repairers? 2 complex, I tried 3 complex plates vs 3 enhanced, didn't really notice a difference so 2 complex. I kill alot with it, combat rifle because. Or assault rail rifle if I feel like it. Really I do much better with it than a pure shield tankedncal assault, nothing instakills me and I have great regen, and a hive. ... lmao You strafe 20% slower than everyone else and move around 10% slower in general. Easy target. No Assault uses complex plates anymore, even the Amarr switched to ferros. Yeah, that's why I can strafe and kill juuust fine. Wasn't the strafe penalty only 5%? Molestia approved
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15166	Posted - 2015.02.15 21:42:00 - [35] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Actually, my speed is fine, I'm not an idiot to make my srafe speed slow. and goodluck. Tell me what you run then. Two enhanced plates and three armor repairers? 2 complex, I tried 3 complex plates vs 3 enhanced, didn't really notice a difference so 2 complex. I kill alot with it, combat rifle because. Or assault rail rifle if I feel like it. Really I do much better with it than a pure shield tankedncal assault, nothing instakills me and I have great regen, and a hive. ... lmao You strafe 20% slower than everyone else and move around 10% slower in general. Easy target. No Assault uses complex plates anymore, even the Amarr switched to ferros. Yeah, that's why I can strafe and kill juuust fine. Wasn't the strafe penalty only 5%? No, it's double the normal penalty. Also, your strafe is worth ** at this point, you strafe as fast as Sentinels. And no that's not even an exaggeration, I did the calculation. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!**
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:02:00 - [36] - Quote Then why do I strafe fine? Molestia approved
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15168	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:42:00 - [37] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Then why do I strafe fine? You can stand still and redberries won't hit you. Try to find some real opposition and tell me just how many bullets you take to the face. If they have a combat rifle, expect to die before the second pulse of your triage hives Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:50:00 - [38] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Then why do I strafe fine? You can stand still and redberries won't hit you. Try to find some real opposition and tell me just how many bullets you take to the face. If they have a combat rifle, expect to die before the second pulse of your triage hives I don't rely on hives ya know...I'd probably kill them first. Molestia approved
jordy mack WarRavens Capital Punishment. 273	Posted - 2015.02.16 00:03:00 - [39] - Quote so much **** waving... wat about getting rid of the depleted delay a bit like the cal hvy? otherwise i can see cal scouts with rr's wrecking all from distance while regening through ranged damage Less QQ more PewPew
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 267	Posted - 2015.02.16 00:17:00 - [40] - Quote jordy mack wrote: so much **** waving... wat about getting rid of the depleted delay a bit like the cal hvy? otherwise i can see cal scouts with rr's wrecking all from distance while regening through ranged damage This wouldn't apply to scouts, just medium, frames and a tiny bit of heavyheavy's. Molestia approved

DRT 99 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 111	Posted - 2015.02.16 05:20:00 - [41] - Quote @ people complaining about cal heavies with 120 hp/s regen. Amarr heavies can have 125hp/s and approach 1500 ARMOR. With over 500 shield ontop of that if you feel like pretending youre a brick. This takes 2 people. They can also have 1200 armor at basic with the same reps. Cal heavy with this fit would be much weaker at lower tiers, AND STILL GET F*CKED BY FLUXES. Obviously shield recharge delays would have to be looked at, and i suppose shield regen and regen mods would have to be looked at as well.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15168	Posted - 2015.02.16 13:13:00 - [42] - Quote DRT 99 wrote: @ people complaining about cal heavies with 120 hp/s regen. Amarr heavies can have 125hp/s and approach 1500 ARMOR. With over 500 shield ontop of that if you feel like pretending youre a brick. This takes 2 people. They can also have 1200 armor at basic with the same reps. Cal heavy with this fit would be much weaker at lower tiers, AND STILL GET FCKED BY FLUXES. Obviously shield recharge delays would have to be looked at, and i suppose shield regen and regen mods would have to be looked at as well. There's your difference buddy. It takes TWO people to achieve this kind of HP and reps, and one of them can't even fire their gun at the same time. And you can severe the repair of the Sentinel, leaving him with a puny amount of repair in comparison. What happens when TWO Cal Heavys come around the corner? Each firing their doom machines and together combine to have more HP than the Logi and Sentinel? While each repairing 123hp/s? Also, 1500 armor is impossible, it really is. The max armor you can get on an Amarr Sentinel is 1300, and that's without any repair module, so you are 100% reliant on a Logi or you die. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2015.02.16 13:22:00 - [43] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DRT 99 wrote: @ people complaining about cal heavies with 120 hp/s regen. Amarr heavies can have 125hp/s and approach 1500 ARMOR. With over 500 shield ontop of that if you feel like pretending youre a brick. This takes 2 people. They can also have 1200 armor at basic with the same reps. Cal heavy with this fit would be much weaker at lower tiers, AND STILL GET F*CKED BY FLUXES. Obviously shield recharge delays would have to be looked at, and i suppose shield regen and regen mods would have to be looked at as well. There's your difference buddy. It takes TWO people to achieve this kind of HP and reps, and one of them can't even fire their gun at the same time. And you can severe the repair of the Sentinel, leaving him with a puny amount of repair in comparison. What happens when TWO Cal Heavys come around the corner? Each firing their doom machines and together combine to have more HP than the Logi and Sentinel? While each repairing 123hp/s? Also, 1500 armor is impossible, it really is. The max armor you can get on an Amarr Sentinel is 1300, and that's without any repair module, so you are 100% reliant on a Logi or you die. what happens when 2 cal sents come around the corner? The same exact thing as any 2 heavies, exept they die alot faster. Since there is always a logi around in a good match, heavies are always repped after a fight, so cal sents only ever have an advantage is if there are no logis and the enemies don't chase you and let you regen. 1v1 cal sent will always lose if it's a good player. If there is a heavy nearby and not 30m away you can only regen one cycle, I've done it with my heavy, I laugh as they try to regen thier shields But they don't have any time. PPS: it's proto cal heavy or go home. low hp or low regen, oh and laser tech still does near instakill damage at pro cal sent, really armor heavies have it so much better. Molestia approved
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15171	Posted - 2015.02.16 14:22:00 - [44] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DRT 99 wrote: @ people complaining about cal heavies with 120 hp/s regen. Amarr heavies can have 125hp/s and approach 1500 ARMOR. With over 500 shield ontop of that if you feel like pretending youre a brick. This takes 2 people. They can also have 1200 armor at basic with the same reps. Cal heavy with this fit would be much weaker at lower tiers, AND STILL GET FCKED BY FLUXES. Obviously shield recharge delays would have to be looked at, and i suppose shield regen and regen mods would have to be looked at as well. There's your difference buddy. It takes TWO people to achieve this kind of HP and reps, and one of them can't even fire their gun at the same time. And you can severe the repair of the Sentinel, leaving him with a puny amount of repair in comparison. What happens when TWO Cal Heavys come around the corner? Each firing their doom machines and together combine to have more HP than the Logi and Sentinel? While each repairing 123hp/s? Also, 1500 armor is impossible, it really is. The max armor you can get on an Amarr Sentinel is 1300, and that's without any repair module, so you are 100% reliant on a Logi or you die. what happens when 2 cal sents come around the corner? The same exact thing as any 2 heavies, exept they die alot faster. Since there is always a logi around in a good match, heavies are always repped after a fight, so cal sents only ever have an advantage is if there are no logis and the enemies don't chase you and let you regen. 1v1 cal sent will always lose if it's a good player. If there is a heavy nearby and not 30m away you can only regen one cycle, I've done it with my heavy, I laugh as they try to regen thier shields But they don't have any time. PPS: it's proto cal heavy or go home. low hp or low regen, oh and laser tech still does near instakill damage at pro cal sent, really armor heavies have it so much better. I'm talking with constant 123hp/s regen. They would be nearly unstoppable in the right hands. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7228	Posted - 2015.02.16 15:10:00 - [45] - Quote The question is whether it can be made to work and if so, how? You can safely assume I consider 123hp/s calsent broken without the delay. AV
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15657	Posted - 2015.02.16 15:24:00 - [46] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: The question is whether it can be made to work and if so, how? You can safely assume I consider 123hp/s calsent broken without the delay. We could try giving all Shielded suits a 1s delay. That way they can regen very quickly after taking cover, but not through damage. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2015.02.16 16:06:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DRT 99 wrote: @ people complaining about cal heavies with 120 hp/s regen. Amarr heavies can have 125hp/s and approach 1500 ARMOR. With over 500 shield ontop of that if you feel like pretending youre a brick. This takes 2 people. They can also have 1200 armor at basic with the same reps. Cal heavy with this fit would be much weaker at lower tiers, AND STILL GET F*CKED BY FLUXES. Obviously shield recharge delays would have to be looked at, and i suppose shield regen and regen mods would have to be looked at as well. There's your difference buddy. It takes TWO people to achieve this kind of HP and reps, and one of them can't even fire their gun at the same time. And you can severe the repair of the Sentinel, leaving him with a puny amount of repair in comparison. What happens when TWO Cal Heavys come around the corner? Each firing their doom machines and together combine to have more HP than the Logi and Sentinel? While each repairing 123hp/s? Also, 1500 armor is impossible, it really is. The max armor you can get on an Amarr Sentinel is 1300, and that's without any repair module, so you are 100% reliant on a Logi or you die. what happens when 2 cal sents come around the corner? The same exact thing as any 2 heavies, exept they die alot faster. Since there is always a logi around in a good match, heavies are always repped after a fight, so cal sents only ever have an advantage is if there are no logis and the enemies don't chase you and let you regen. 1v1 cal sent will always lose if it's a good player. If there is a heavy nearby and not 30m away you can only regen one cycle, I've done it with my heavy, I laugh as they try to regen thier shields But they don't have any time. PPS: it's proto cal heavy or go home. low hp or low regen, oh and laser tech still does near instakill damage at pro cal sent, really armor heavies have it so much better. I'm talking with constant 123hp/s regen. They would be nearly unstoppable in the right hands. I already said the max should be 80, or med frames would be the higher one, and heavies would be lower. so no op ness. Molestia approved
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2015.02.16 16:08:00 - [48] - Quote Atiim wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The question is whether it can be made to work and if so, how? You can safely assume I consider 123hp/s calsent broken without the delay. We could try giving all Shielded suits a 1s delay. That way they can regen very quickly after taking cover, but not through damage. Or just give that to a heavy. Med frames get regen no delay, heavies get the lower regen. Maybe lower recharge rate by 5 hp/s on med frames if it has no delays. Assuming shield suits only. Molestia approved
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4298	Posted - 2015.02.16 16:08:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DRT 99 wrote: @ people complaining about cal heavies with 120 hp/s regen. Amarr heavies can have 125hp/s and approach 1500 ARMOR. With over 500 shield ontop of that if you feel like pretending youre a brick. This takes 2 people. They can also have 1200 armor at basic with the same reps. Cal heavy with this fit would be much weaker at lower tiers, AND STILL GET F*CKED BY FLUXES. Obviously shield recharge delays would have to be looked at, and i suppose shield regen and regen mods would have to be looked at as well. There's your difference buddy. It takes TWO people to achieve this kind of HP and reps, and one of them can't even fire their gun at the same time. And you can severe the repair of the Sentinel, leaving him with a puny amount of repair in comparison. What happens when TWO Cal Heavys come around the corner? Each firing their doom machines and together combine to have more HP than the Logi and Sentinel? While each repairing 123hp/s? Also, 1500 armor is impossible, it really is. The max armor you can get on an Amarr Sentinel is 1300, and that's without any repair module, so you are 100% reliant on a Logi or you die. what happens when 2 cal sents come around the corner? The same exact thing as any 2 heavies, exept they die alot faster. Since there is always a logi around in a good match, heavies are always repped after a fight, so cal sents only ever have an advantage is if there are no logis and the enemies don't chase you and let you regen. 1v1 cal sent will always lose if it's a good player. If there is a heavy nearby and not 30m away you can only regen one cycle, I've done it with my heavy, I laugh as they try to regen thier shields But they don't have any time. PPS: it's proto cal heavy or go home. low hp or low regen, oh and laser tech still does near instakill damage at pro cal sent, really armor heavies have it so much better. I'm talking with constant 123hp/s regen. They would be nearly unstoppable in the right hands. Pop a Six Kin on that and quench your thirst in the rivers of tears as you strafe in and out of cover... Well, here goes nothing!!!
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2015.02.16 16:10:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The question is whether it can be made to work and if so, how? You can safely assume I consider 123hp/s calsent broken without the delay. We could try giving all Shielded suits a 1s delay. That way they can regen very quickly after taking cover, but not through damage. What would be the point of regulators if that were to happen exactly? I could just use 2 ferro's and a rep then. Molestia approved

Jathniel Ahrendee Mercenaries 1476	Posted - 2015.02.16 19:58:00 - [51] - Quote I believe the OP was asking for actual proposals gentleman... He already knows things would break without a regen delay. It's an "intellectual exercise" asking the community to conceptualize a balance mechanism. It is NOT an attempt to promote or support null-regen delay shields. Please read the OP again. Key lines emphasized. Breakin Stuff wrote: alright knuckleheads I'm gonna throw out a concept and we're going to break it, then see if we can put it back together in a semi-balanced way: Shield recharge is the keystone of shield tanking. So let's look at the reps. there's no shield transporter, and I'm willing to bet that's a ways off. So let's look at the two recharge delay penalties. We have two, which seems redundant. So let's assume the only recharge delay we keep is the depleted delay. Regen happens until your shields pop. What breaks? Can you think of a way to mitigate this? Bear in mind the recharge penalty on extenders is a depleted delay penalty, so it doesn't affect the "Your shields are at half" delay. Hypotheticals. We're dealing with hypotheticals. I cannot believe how I just read 2, nearly 3, full pages of 'why shields should or shouldn't' have a recharge delay, when that's NOT what the OP asked for. Don't be thrown off by this: Breakin Stuff wrote: this is a mental exercise to see if the concept easily breaks under the strain of math. if it doesn't, then well we may have found the buff shields needed. Because you already know what breaks. Just stick to solutions. SOLUTIONS. Retired
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7232	Posted - 2015.02.16 21:38:00 - [52] - Quote holy f*ck someone on this forum can READ! FLEE WHILE YOU CAN JATHNIEL!!! AV
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 931	Posted - 2015.02.16 21:39:00 - [53] - Quote I'm a cynic I don't have solutions, but I can poke holes in other people's solutions. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
DRT 99 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 111	Posted - 2015.02.17 03:34:00 - [54] - Quote i stated previously that recharge mods (including regulators) and base recharge would need looking at, definitely a change downwards for energisers/rechargers. I can agree that 123hp/s solo is excessive, even with a max recharge no buffer fit. The only way i can see this working without is a 'regular' shield recharge rate (When you havent taken damage recently - maybe the current regular recharge delay?) and a lower 'combat' recharge rate when you have taken damage recently. This would pair with Rattati's idea for heavy and light shield extenders for dropsuits, with the current 'light' extenders having no penalty, while the new 'heavy' shield extenders cause a significant reduction in combat recharge rate (but do not affect regular recharge rate) in exchange for more HP than light extenders. The exact numbers can vary, but a heavy shield extender and a recharger should have a lower or at most equal combat recharge rate to no extender at all. This would suit shields very nicely, and benefit them in the playstyle shields seem to have been shoehorned into and emphasizes their strength (regen) rather than mitigating their weakness (buffer)


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