DUST Search - Let's pretend Dust 514 had a subscription option

Vesta Opalus wrote:

TerranKnight87 wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

TerranKnight87 wrote:

They also said no more content, no respecs and no paid for bpos....

What they say and what happens when people support something enough are two different things.

CCP never said, "We will never have another client-side patch." They just said something to the effect of, "At least in the near future we have no plans of releasing a client-side patch." It was carefully worded so that if they wanted to, they could. Turns out, they did.

Who said "We will never have respecs." I thought the last piece of communication about respecs we got was from GM Archduke saying that if we do get respecs to watch the usual channels (dev blogs, official website, newsletter, etc.).

Anyway, feel free to keep hoping that Legion will roll out on the PS4. It might, but I promise that if it does it will be post-successful Legion (PC) launch.

I don't really care either way as i have both but i want DUST on the ps4 or at least the pc.

And no it was said often that there will never be respecs ever and that our decisions should matter and have consequences. You must be fairly new relatively speaking.

They also said that there will never be paid for bpos as it would border on p2w concerning isk.

Anyone who has been here since beta can attest that the devs have made changes when enough people have supported it and if you have been here that long then why are you so clueless to this?.

The PC please. PS4 will be subject to the same problems the PS3 has now on a long enough time frame, plus I'd like the game to see mouse/KB controls since controllers are crappy as hell for FPS game control.

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TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 147	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:52:00 - [61] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Two simple things: A guarantee that Dust would continue on the ps4 and that development of it would no longer be done by a skeleton crew. Considering that we have heard from the executive producer himself that Legion is not going to the PlayStation 4, I think we can pretty much close that case. With a steady revenue stream we absolutely could see the development team grow. They also said no more content, no respecs and no paid for bpos.... What they say and what happens when people support something enough are two different things. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7663	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:00:00 - [62] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: They also said no more content, no respecs and no paid for bpos.... What they say and what happens when people support something enough are two different things. CCP never said, "We will never have another client-side patch." They just said something to the effect of, "In the near future we have no plans of releasing a client-side patch." It was carefully worded so that if they wanted to, they could. Turns out, they did. Who said "We will never have respecs." I thought the last piece of communication about respecs we got was from GM Archduke saying that if we do get respecs to watch the usual channels (dev blogs, official website, newsletter, etc.). Anyway, feel free to keep hoping that Legion will roll out on the PS4. It might, but I promise that if it does it will be post-successful Legion (PC) launch. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5831	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:05:00 - [63] - Quote No. Reason: I'm a cheap bastard. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 147	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:07:00 - [64] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: They also said no more content, no respecs and no paid for bpos.... What they say and what happens when people support something enough are two different things. CCP never said, "We will never have another client-side patch." They just said something to the effect of, "At least in the near future we have no plans of releasing a client-side patch." It was carefully worded so that if they wanted to, they could. Turns out, they did. Who said "We will never have respecs." I thought the last piece of communication about respecs we got was from GM Archduke saying that if we do get respecs to watch the usual channels (dev blogs, official website, newsletter, etc.). Anyway, feel free to keep hoping that Legion will roll out on the PS4. It might, but I promise that if it does it will be post-successful Legion (PC) launch. I don't really care either way as i have both but i want DUST on the ps4 or at least the pc. And no it was said often that there will never be respecs ever and that our decisions should matter and have consequences. You must be fairly new relatively speaking. They also said that there will never be paid for bpos as it would border on p2w concerning isk. Anyone who has been here since beta can attest that the devs have made changes when enough people have supported it and if you have been here that long then why are you so clueless to this?. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7663	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:16:00 - [65] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: They also said no more content, no respecs and no paid for bpos.... What they say and what happens when people support something enough are two different things. CCP never said, "We will never have another client-side patch." They just said something to the effect of, "At least in the near future we have no plans of releasing a client-side patch." It was carefully worded so that if they wanted to, they could. Turns out, they did. Who said "We will never have respecs." I thought the last piece of communication about respecs we got was from GM Archduke saying that if we do get respecs to watch the usual channels (dev blogs, official website, newsletter, etc.). Anyway, feel free to keep hoping that Legion will roll out on the PS4. It might, but I promise that if it does it will be post-successful Legion (PC) launch. I don't really care either way as i have both but i want DUST on the ps4 or at least the pc. And no it was said often that there will never be respecs ever and that our decisions should matter and have consequences. You must be fairly new relatively speaking. They also said that there will never be paid for bpos as it would border on p2w concerning isk. Anyone who has been here since beta can attest that the devs have made changes when enough people have supported it and if you have been here that long then why are you so clueless to this?. Anything pre-Rattati is void, to me at least. The prior devs and EP said all kinds of whacko bullshit on the regular. Std/mil BPOs being P2W is a good example of that Either way, we're derailing the thread. Hit me up in game if you want to continue discussing this particular topic. Otherwise, let's focus on the subscription idea. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 403	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:18:00 - [66] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: They also said no more content, no respecs and no paid for bpos.... What they say and what happens when people support something enough are two different things. CCP never said, "We will never have another client-side patch." They just said something to the effect of, "At least in the near future we have no plans of releasing a client-side patch." It was carefully worded so that if they wanted to, they could. Turns out, they did. Who said "We will never have respecs." I thought the last piece of communication about respecs we got was from GM Archduke saying that if we do get respecs to watch the usual channels (dev blogs, official website, newsletter, etc.). Anyway, feel free to keep hoping that Legion will roll out on the PS4. It might, but I promise that if it does it will be post-successful Legion (PC) launch. I don't really care either way as i have both but i want DUST on the ps4 or at least the pc. And no it was said often that there will never be respecs ever and that our decisions should matter and have consequences. You must be fairly new relatively speaking. They also said that there will never be paid for bpos as it would border on p2w concerning isk. Anyone who has been here since beta can attest that the devs have made changes when enough people have supported it and if you have been here that long then why are you so clueless to this?. The PC please. PS4 will be subject to the same problems the PS3 has now on a long enough time frame, plus I'd like the game to see mouse/KB controls since controllers are crappy as hell for FPS game control.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2161	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:33:00 - [67] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Two simple things: A guarantee that Dust would continue on the ps4 and that development of it would no longer be done by a skeleton crew. Considering that we have heard from the executive producer himself that Legion is not going to the PlayStation 4, I think we can pretty much close that case. With a steady revenue stream we absolutely could see the development team grow. True, but you also never said I had to be reasonable. And I've seen much more unreasonable requests here than simply 'stick with the console brand you started this mess with'. But barring something happening to move Dust over or shift Legion's focus to ps4, there's simply no motivation for me to pay into this game. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 148	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:33:00 - [68] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: They also said no more content, no respecs and no paid for bpos.... What they say and what happens when people support something enough are two different things. CCP never said, "We will never have another client-side patch." They just said something to the effect of, "At least in the near future we have no plans of releasing a client-side patch." It was carefully worded so that if they wanted to, they could. Turns out, they did. Who said "We will never have respecs." I thought the last piece of communication about respecs we got was from GM Archduke saying that if we do get respecs to watch the usual channels (dev blogs, official website, newsletter, etc.). Anyway, feel free to keep hoping that Legion will roll out on the PS4. It might, but I promise that if it does it will be post-successful Legion (PC) launch. I don't really care either way as i have both but i want DUST on the ps4 or at least the pc. And no it was said often that there will never be respecs ever and that our decisions should matter and have consequences. You must be fairly new relatively speaking. They also said that there will never be paid for bpos as it would border on p2w concerning isk. Anyone who has been here since beta can attest that the devs have made changes when enough people have supported it and if you have been here that long then why are you so clueless to this?. The PC please. PS4 will be subject to the same problems the PS3 has now on a long enough time frame, plus I'd like the game to see mouse/KB controls since controllers are crappy as hell for FPS game control. We could have dust on the ps4 and legion on the pc, it doesn't have to be one or the other but people need to actually support it. CCP starts a kickstarter with legally binding contract for a dust port to ps4 where they can expand the game. CCP continues making legion for pc and continues to say nothing much about. That's what i'd like to see. Noone in their right mind will pay a sub when this http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust shows a slow but steady decline in player activity in the long term graphs. With ps4's and xjokes becoming cheaper along with pc's, it's not going to get much better really. I am already buying a new lolps3 next month for dust myself,, that's how much i like the game and i want to see it continue. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 25	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:39:00 - [69] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Help me understand: you want CCP to fix bugs, make the game deeper/more complex, and have more frequent releases by not having a steady, consistent revenue stream? I think people who supported CCP in this enterprise(Beta Vets like myself who put money in while the game was still clearly in development) deserved more than they got. CCP should have taken that money, that came from committed and enthusiastic players and not prodced the turdburger that was Uprising 1.0 - 1.7. CCP could have treated those customers with respect before Fanfest when they knew they were going to announce Legion. But sure, you give them money, that they have done literally nothing to earn, for a product that doesn't even make worst of lists because people assume it got cancelled. That will surely motivate them to make something actually saleable instead of a fap fest for e-tards who can't even figure out how to mine in a 0.9 but want to pretend to be a part of new eden. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 3229	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:39:00 - [70] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Just humor me. Let's pretend Dust 514 came out with a subscription option. $15/month gets you... 30 - day passive and active booster (the 50% kind, not omegas) Auto-claim warbarge goodies every 24 hours 5 keys 10,000 AUR Do you subscribe? If not, why? Anymore? Likely no. I have 44 million SP now. If I were to cap out two weeks I would pretty much have every suit that I have wanted. Minmatar Logistics, Amarr Heavy, Tanks, ADS, Caldari Scout. Beyond that, I don't really know what I want. To be fair, I am surprised that CCP have not done something like the above. I would bet that if Legion becomes a thing on the PC, this option will be explored. However, I hope the game doesn't do it like DDO does. "Oh, you have a subscription for access to this? Good, now pay more to use it." 15 bucks a month for a pack of stuff is more sane. The value is there . A 30 day pack of boosters in 20k Aurum (10 dollars), 10k Aurum is 5 dollars. I forget how much keys are but auto-claiming is a hell of a feature that would be useful. As I said, I wouldn't do it anymore because I have already put in enough time and money to not need to. A year ago? Probably. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7663	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:53:00 - [71] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: I think people who supported CCP in this enterprise(Beta Vets like myself who put money in while the game was still clearly in development) deserved more than they got. CCP should have taken that money, that came from committed and enthusiastic players and not prodced the turdburger that was Uprising 1.0 - 1.7. CCP could have treated those customers with respect before Fanfest when they knew they were going to announce Legion. But sure, you give them money, that they have done literally nothing to earn, for a product that doesn't even make worst of lists because people assume it got cancelled. That will surely motivate them to make something actually saleable instead of a fap fest for e-tards who can't even figure out how to mine in a 0.9 but want to pretend to be a part of new eden. All I hear is another bittervet upset because of the old EP's bullshit. Yeah, he sucked. That's why CCP fired him. Since we have CCP Rouge we have less over-promising lies and more patches/hotfixes. Rattati is trying to iterate on this game, but nothing he develops will come to pass if CCP doesn't turn a profit from Dust 514 as of today, February 9th, 2015. I don't give a ** about what you spent way back when in beta. That money doesn't fund Dust 514 right now. It sucks. I feel for you. If you were here I'd buy you a milkshake. We have a roadmap. We have community feedback threads. CCP is trying to tread water, but because of some that happened before Rouge and Rattati got here you are going to torpedo Dust's chances? You're really hardkore man Now I'm going to tell you what I told TerranKnight87: Hit me up in game if you want to continue discussing this particular topic. Otherwise, let's focus on the subscription idea. Spademan wrote: No. Reason: I'm a cheap bastard. Nothing wrong with being frugal. Joseph Ridgeson wrote:** The value is there . A 30 day pack of boosters in 20k Aurum (10 dollars), 10k Aurum is 5 dollars. I forget how much keys are but auto-claiming is a hell of a feature that would be useful. As I said, I wouldn't do it anymore because I have already put in enough time and money to not need to. A year ago? Probably. Yeah, the more I read the feature list to more I realize this is stuff that benefits new players more than vets. Maybe a few more QoL features? More maximum fittings was suggested earlier. I was thinking that it might be cool to get a lump sum of warbarge components. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 157	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:58:00 - [72] - Quote Fixitgd wrote: 5. PVE 6. Content - what was for told in the old soon tm. 7. Move to PS4 I would pay since nothing is or should be free in life, we all have to eat. This. Move to PS4 and PC. I hope CCP is looking at this. How much we want your product. C'mon Rattati. We are counting on you and your team. "There was the age before Rattati, and then The Lord send His son..." Amarr Victor
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 27	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:04:00 - [73] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: All I hear is another bittervet upset because of the old EP's bullshit. Yeah, he sucked. That's why CCP fired him. Since we have CCP Rouge we have less over-promising lies and more patches/hotfixes. Rattati is trying to iterate on this game, but nothing he develops will come to pass if CCP doesn't turn a profit from Dust 514 as of today, February 9th, 2015. I don't give a ** about what you spent way back when in beta. That money doesn't fund Dust 514 right now. It sucks. I feel for you. If you were here I'd buy you a milkshake. We have a roadmap. We have community feedback threads. CCP is trying to tread water, but because of some ** that happened before Rouge and Rattati got here you are going to torpedo Dust's chances? You're really hardkore man Now I'm going to tell you what I told TerranKnight87: Hit me up in game if you want to continue discussing this particular topic. Otherwise, let's focus on the subscription idea. My concern for the profitability of Dust went out the window the day they announced Legion. Their concern likely did as well. It was only once they realized that pumping Vaporware after what happened with WoD would really sully their rep as a company, so they scaled it back and are now trying to milk the players of Dust to pay(essentially a second time) for the development. CCP had a consistent revenue stream with eager players, and the crapped the bed. So instead of making a better game, they added more microtransactions and options for people to spend their money. As long as the underlying game is so shoddy, and without a future(You put your faith in CCP to get Legion made, smart people won't), there is no point in having a subscription model discussion. There is nothing to subscribe to! Who subscribes to a lobby shooter? General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7665	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:10:00 - [74] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: As long as the underlying game is so shoddy, and without a future(You put your faith in CCP to get Legion made, smart people won't), there is no point in having a subscription model discussion. So you disagree with the idea of a subscription model for Dust. That's all you had to say Thanks for your input. Even negative feedback has purpose. In fact, sometimes its even more valuable. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
Fixitgd Incorruptibles 258	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:13:00 - [75] - Quote Isa Lucifer wrote: Fixitgd wrote: 5. PVE 6. Content - what was for told in the old soon tm. 7. Move to PS4 I would pay since nothing is or should be free in life, we all have to eat. This. Move to PS4 and PC. I hope CCP is looking at this. How much we want your product. C'mon Rattati. We are counting on you and your team. "There was the age before Rattati, and then The Lord send His son..." The DUST Messiah has come..... But we need to still fill or half fill the coffers so he may take us with him to PS4. "Suck it!" - S.M.


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