DUST Search - Let's pretend Dust 514 had a subscription option

Ripley Riley wrote:

Vesta Opalus wrote:

No offense to CCP, but this game isnt worth paying a weekly subscription for. Its buggy, the game is very simple and its complexity doesn't justify constant maintenance fees, releases are inconsistent and (in the past) slow and over the long term seem to be hamstrung by upper management being confused about what they want to happen, memory leaks and poor resource usage still make some maps unplayable for the whole match, and so on, and so on.

Help me understand: you want CCP to fix bugs, make the game deeper/more complex, and have more frequent releases by not having a steady, consistent revenue stream? Lol

Got it.

Take the $15 sub option we are talking about at face value. Take away anything that you perceive to be wrong with Dust 514 or it's development. What are some things that would make you consider subbing? Lower sub cost? Is there some interesting feature (that does not grant an in-game damage bonus or similar P2W bonus) that you want?

Or you are 100% against the idea of a sub purely based on the principle? That's perfectly understandable. Some people hate the idea of having subs. In this hypothetical situation there would be a F2P and sub option.

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1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 274	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:49:00 - [31] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: But who knows what else would get added to the package as you go along with the subscription but it's pretend so who knows. I'm still waiting for my Newsletter. I'm presenting the package as not P2W. Let's continue with the notion that the subscription option does not offer anything P2W, what so ever. Convenience? Yes. Probably many useful features like auto-claim warbarge stuff or +10 max fittings. Nothing that will flat out give you in-game combat bonuses. Having said that, would you be interested? I have no idea where your newsletter is. Open a support ticket? Sounds pretty good. Have you received your Newsletter? *That's ScReWeD uP* *Just Rub One Out*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7654	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:51:00 - [32] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Sounds pretty good. Have you received your Newsletter? Nope. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
PR0T0TYPE-PH0ENIX PR0JECT-MK-1 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:57:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: This game is not worth 15$/mo. this^
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7654	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:00:00 - [34] - Quote PR0T0TYPE-PH0ENIX PR0JECT-MK-1 wrote: Atiim wrote: This game is not worth 15$/mo. this^ Since the sub is optional you can opt to remain a F2Player. No worries. Is there anything the sub could offer you that would make you consider it? "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 274	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:19:00 - [35] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: Sounds pretty good. Have you received your Newsletter? Nope. We will keep waiting then. o7 *That's ScReWeD uP* *Just Rub One Out*
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1218	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:26:00 - [36] - Quote Ive played worse online pc games for 20+ a month, I keep saying if every month had a fresh $20 merc pack I would buy one monthly . *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2991	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:40:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: This game is not worth 15$/mo. It's barely worth $15 once. KDR matchmaking would patch all the patches into pure patchitudity.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 399	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:13:00 - [38] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Just humor me. Let's pretend Dust 514 came out with a subscription option. $15/month gets you... 30 - day passive and active booster (the 50% kind, not omegas) Auto-claim warbarge goodies every 24 hours 5 keys 10,000 AUR Do you subscribe? If not, why? No offense to CCP, but this game isnt worth paying a weekly subscription for. Its buggy, the game is very simple and its complexity doesn't justify constant maintenance fees, releases are inconsistent and (in the past) slow and over the long term seem to be hamstrung by upper management being confused about what they want to happen, memory leaks and poor resource usage still make some maps unplayable for the whole match, and so on, and so on. I enjoy the game and everything, but Im not going to pay for it monthly (and this is from someone who has purchased some aurum).
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3186	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:20:00 - [39] - Quote Let's compare to another free-to-play FPS Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Phantoms Ranges from $9.99 a month to $39.99 every six months, you can buy *premium* Quote: 100% XP AND AC BOOST FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION PERIOD! EXCLUSIVE AAA AVATAR! ACCESS TO MEMBERSGÇÖ ONLY ITEMS AND LIMITED-EDITION PROMOTIONS! EARLY ACCESS TO NEW ITEMS! FREE ARMOR REPAIR FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION PERIOD! EXTRA STORAGE SPACE (UP TO 1,000 SLOTS)! GAIN WEAPON PROFICIENCY AT TWICE THE NORMAL RATE! No, I would not pay $15 a month for what is listed in the OP. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 147	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:25:00 - [40] - Quote No. Why the F would anyone spend on a sub for a game on a dying console without any guarantee that it will continue on next gen consoles (Ps4 please rather than the beast mode windows phone) or pc?. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 147	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:26:00 - [41] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Let's compare to another free-to-play FPS Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Phantoms Ranges from $9.99 a month to $39.99 every six months, you can buy *premium* Quote: 100% XP AND AC BOOST FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION PERIOD! EXCLUSIVE AAA AVATAR! ACCESS TO MEMBERSGÇÖ ONLY ITEMS AND LIMITED-EDITION PROMOTIONS! EARLY ACCESS TO NEW ITEMS! FREE ARMOR REPAIR FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION PERIOD! EXTRA STORAGE SPACE (UP TO 1,000 SLOTS)! GAIN WEAPON PROFICIENCY AT TWICE THE NORMAL RATE! No, I would not pay $15 a month for what is listed in the OP. Phantoms is on the pc anyway, not some last gen pos. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7656	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:27:00 - [42] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: No offense to CCP, but this game isnt worth paying a weekly subscription for. Its buggy, the game is very simple and its complexity doesn't justify constant maintenance fees, releases are inconsistent and (in the past) slow and over the long term seem to be hamstrung by upper management being confused about what they want to happen, memory leaks and poor resource usage still make some maps unplayable for the whole match, and so on, and so on. Help me understand, you want CCP to fix bugs, make the game deeper/more complex, and have more frequent releases by not having a steady, consistent revenue stream. Got it. Take the $15 sub option we are talking about at face value. Take away anything that you perceive to be wrong with Dust 514 or it's development. What are some things that would make you consider subbing? Lower sub cost? Is there some interesting feature (that does not grant an in-game damage bonus or similar P2W bonus) that you want? Or you are 100% against the idea of a sub purely based on the principle? That's perfectly understandable. Some people hate the idea of having subs. In this hypothetical situation there would be a F2P and sub option. Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: No, I would not pay $15 a month for what is listed in the OP. Okay. What about $10 for what was listed? Can you think of any kind of convenience feature that would make that $15 worth your while? "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 147	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:27:00 - [43] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Just humor me. Let's pretend Dust 514 came out with a subscription option. $15/month gets you... 30 - day passive and active booster (the 50% kind, not omegas) Auto-claim warbarge goodies every 24 hours 10 keys 10,000 AUR Do you subscribe? If not, why? Nope. Not enough content in-game at this point for me to do so. Now, and I'm humoring you :V, if we had a massive overhaul and there was actually a connection with EVE, a real market, wars in Null-Sec, all that good juicy stuff, then Hell yeah. I'd imagine there would be more benefits from this but then I'd love to support CCP by then and some of these items, which you would pay for with $15, could be sold on the market for loads of ISK later. This is under the assumption that it's an optional subscription, of course. That's what I assumed you meant. On the ps3?, never. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3186	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:36:00 - [44] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: No, I would not pay $15 a month for what is listed in the OP. Okay. What about $10 for what was listed? Can you think of any kind of convenience feature that would make that $15 worth your while? Personally I would want a vanity item. Honestly, I've never been a fan of subscriptions for F2P games but am a huge fan for the micro-transaction system, studies have shown that people more then anything like to buy vanity items, so I think things like the Quafe suits need to be made more, and maybe even "Packs" like "Buy this and get a great deal on a 3 day booster, a a LE suit and a pair of weapons" or something like that. In Phantoms and in DUST most of my purchases are just to look "cool" and different. Imagine the AUR that would be sold if CCP announced "Hey want to buy a trophy room for your merc quarters? How about new furniture? How about an upgrade that for 200 AUR the AI in your room will move and look at you? Would you like to display your favorite rack of weapons on the wall or see a planet?" A subscription would have to give me some kind of vanity item, a special look for my quarters maybe, imagine a Merc Room decked out in the Templar colors. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Grimmiers 788	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:18:00 - [45] - Quote 12$ -Passive Sp for all characters on the account and a built in booster until they reach maybe 2/3 of your highest characters sp. -Boost to loyalty points gained by playing matches so that it's actually doable and fun like it should've been. -Discount on any aur items -20k/aur month -Access to a dust 514 test client Edit: I almost forgot -Project Legion news
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 400	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:32:00 - [46] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: No offense to CCP, but this game isnt worth paying a weekly subscription for. Its buggy, the game is very simple and its complexity doesn't justify constant maintenance fees, releases are inconsistent and (in the past) slow and over the long term seem to be hamstrung by upper management being confused about what they want to happen, memory leaks and poor resource usage still make some maps unplayable for the whole match, and so on, and so on. Help me understand: you want CCP to fix bugs, make the game deeper/more complex, and have more frequent releases by not having a steady, consistent revenue stream? Got it. Take the $15 sub option we are talking about at face value. Take away anything that you perceive to be wrong with Dust 514 or it's development. What are some things that would make you consider subbing? Lower sub cost? Is there some interesting feature (that does not grant an in-game damage bonus or similar P2W bonus) that you want? Or you are 100% against the idea of a sub purely based on the principle? That's perfectly understandable. Some people hate the idea of having subs. In this hypothetical situation there would be a F2P and sub option. This aint world of warcraft bro, its a lobby shooter. Maybe if the game was like a real MMO with free exploration/encounters/sandboxy stuff and was on the PC instead of the PS3 (which is a huge limitation to the future of the game in itself that they shouldnt have subjected it to in the first place) I might pay subscription if the price was right. But as things are now? No. Sorry. Just some random extra thoughts: I would not subscribe to any game that had some kind of pay to win mechanic (subscribers get cosmetic or fun stuff is fine though). If the game was more thoroughly integrated with Eve that would be very attractive. If the game had free roaming sandbox style game play on planets (with planetary conquest/skirmish fight style activities available as well in a sort of instanced battleground system as in world of warcraft) plus some interesting resource/trading style **** integrated with eve economy that would be cool.
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 70	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:32:00 - [47] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Just humor me. Let's pretend Dust 514 came out with a subscription option. $15/month gets you... 30 - day passive and active booster (the 50% kind, not omegas) Auto-claim warbarge goodies every 24 hours 10 keys 10,000 AUR Do you subscribe? If not, why? Would also like 6 month / 1 year with a bit of discounts(i.e $15 / month, $75 / 6 months, $120 / 1 Year ). Would be great if the boosting was all automatic and would include Factional as well, then I would be on board. So basically EVE's subscription model as far as price goes? "I went looking for trouble, and I found it." - Charles Ponzi
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7658	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:36:00 - [48] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: If the game had free roaming sandbox style game play on planets (with planetary conquest/skirmish fight style activities available as well in a sort of instanced battleground system as in world of warcraft) plus some interesting resource/trading style **** integrated with eve economy that would be cool. Dust 514 in it's current form: no Eve: Legion (PC) as some have imagined it with open world elements, an Eve link, and what not: maybe? Fair enough. There isn't a wrong answer to this question, folks. Well except "diarrhea". That's a wrong answer. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1308	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:39:00 - [49] - Quote I would pay $5 a month. That's $60, or the price of a new game per year. $15? You out of your gotdamn mind. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7658	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:41:00 - [50] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: I would pay $5 a month. That's $60, or the price of a new game per year. $15? You out of your gotdamn mind. What if the sub was $15 for 90 days? Same benefits, same end price, just a larger upfront cost. Just trying to think of ways to make sure the price isn't being eaten up by credit card fees. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King

Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 400	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:43:00 - [51] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: If the game had free roaming sandbox style game play on planets (with planetary conquest/skirmish fight style activities available as well in a sort of instanced battleground system as in world of warcraft) plus some interesting resource/trading style **** integrated with eve economy that would be cool. Dust 514 in it's current form: no Eve: Legion (PC) as some have imagined it with open world elements, an Eve link, and what not: maybe? Fair enough. There isn't a wrong answer to this question, folks. Well except "diarrhea". That's a wrong answer. Oh thank god, I was just about to type "watery poo", but then what I wrote popped into my head. Whew!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17038	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:45:00 - [52] - Quote Unfortunately not. I'd never subscribe to a game that is essentially early access and incomplete. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7658	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:47:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Unfortunately not. I'd never subscribe to a game that is essentially early access and incomplete. Fair enough. Just curious, have you made an aurum purchase of any amount in the last 6 months? Vesta Opalus wrote: Oh thank god, I was just about to type "watery poo", but then what I wrote popped into my head. Whew! Close call! "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 498	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:51:00 - [54] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Just humor me. Let's pretend Dust 514 came out with a subscription option. $15/month gets you... 30 - day passive and active booster (the 50% kind, not omegas) Auto-claim warbarge goodies every 24 hours 5 keys 10,000 AUR Do you subscribe? If not, why? No, CCP is too secretive about the future of Dust currently, so no to a subscription svc. However if I had more info regarding Dust 514 future, yes. It's an investment, and I like sound investments :) Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7658	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:54:00 - [55] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: No, CCP is too secretive about the future of Dust currently, so no to a subscription svc. However if I had more info regarding Dust 514 future, yes. It's an investment, and I like sound investments :) Some would say that the roadmap is a pretty good indication that Dust is sticking around for a while. Or do you mean how far away is Legion? I'd like to know more myself. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 498	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:57:00 - [56] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: No, CCP is too secretive about the future of Dust currently, so no to a subscription svc. However if I had more info regarding Dust 514 future, yes. It's an investment, and I like sound investments :) Some would say that the roadmap is a pretty good indication that Dust is sticking around for a while. Or do you mean how far away is Legion? I'd like to know more myself. Yes refering to Legion, I would like to know it won't be money down the drain and my investment will transfer etc Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2161	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:34:00 - [57] - Quote Two simple things: A guarantee that Dust would continue on the ps4 and that development of it would no longer be done by a skeleton crew. If I'm going to pay regularly for something, 'laser focused' needs to be more than an inside joke passed around by the players, it needs to be the dev team's motto. The knowledge that a dev team of decent size is constantly at work to improve, expand and debug my gaming experience is a must if I'm going to be shelling out cash on a game on a regular basis. Of course this implies constant developer feedback and being able to tell community feedback is being properly listened to. As for the other, I want to know the game isn't going to drop out from under me one day, I need to know that the game will continue onwards in a meaningful direction on a console that follows suit. Barring that, I could not see myself paying monthly for something that infuriates me so badly. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
bathtubist TRUE SAVAGES Learning Alliance 36	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:40:00 - [58] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Just humor me. Let's pretend Dust 514 came out with a subscription option Lets not
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7662	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:42:00 - [59] - Quote bathtubist wrote: Lets not Why? It's an option. You are not forced to subscribe to play. How does it existing hurt you? "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7662	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:48:00 - [60] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Two simple things: A guarantee that Dust would continue on the ps4 and that development of it would no longer be done by a skeleton crew. Considering that we have heard from the executive producer himself that Legion is not going to the PlayStation 4, I think we can pretty much close that case. With a steady revenue stream we absolutely could see the development team grow. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King



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