DUST Search - [Suggestion] Cleaning up junk, tiercide, and memory usage

Aeon Amadi wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Not really, only things that are needed are put into memory. We are actively, however, trying to find any low hanging fruit in the performance category.

I remember CCP Praetorian mentioning something at Fanfest about the fittings being a major suspect of performance loss and it being why SSD's are (potentially) faster than traditional stock drives because they can pull that information at a faster rate. Would also be why it's excruciating to try and edit/create a fit in the middle of battle.

But doesn't this also mean that every single fitting that a person has must be loaded into memory to be freely available in the event that they spawn with it and/or change into that fit at a supply depot? Even assets they aren't using like, for instance, an Officer Dropsuit that they're only using as a favorited fit to show off the skin in the Warbarge?

Theory assumes that (and I know the community will hang me for this) it would be a performance boost to limit the maximum amount of fittings a player has when they enter battle. It could potentially be a performance boost to also reduce the amount of assets used (tiers of dropsuits, entire other dropsuits for different skins, Aurum/LP/ISK variants of the same exact suit, etc).

Considering that data loaded onto memory doesn't go away until the system is restarted, this would explain why it's so painful to be in PC as PC players usually have lots of different fits for lots of different things and also why it's so beneficial to restart the system prior to a PC match.

Could stand to reason that we could go with Function over Form in this case.

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Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14978	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:55:00 - [1] - Quote So it has come to my attention that EVERYTHING in the database upon entering the battle has to be loaded to the PS3's memory. That includes weapons, dropsuits, vehicles, modules, modifiers, literally everything. So I ask, wouldn't cleaning all the junk in the database reduce memory usage, and as such either improve performance or free up space for more content? There are plenty of unused things in the database, just a short look up in stuff514.com will allow you to find unused weapons, testing modules, olds turrets that were cut, basically lots and lots of junk. Examples: http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/352524 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/352522 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/354773 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/357007 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/357009 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/352898 Another thing is tiercide. If we removed the tiers of every dropsuit in the game, we would be cutting out 32 STD/AVD dropsuits. Each dropsuit comes with a ton of modifiers and values attached to it as well as a skin applied to it, which I'm guessing eats up a decent amount of memory. Note: I could be completely wrong and this is complete speculation, but if I'm right, would the memory usage reduction be worth going into the database and cleaning it up? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4533	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:57:00 - [2] - Quote Would be interesting if tieracide actually gave us better game performance as well. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2833	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:40:00 - [3] - Quote That would tickle me if it did. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14985	Posted - 2015.02.07 13:24:00 - [4] - Quote meow Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6998	Posted - 2015.02.07 14:31:00 - [5] - Quote Actually I have a suggestion for this. Someone slap mein the biomassed channel in an hour or so please. AV
tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 24	Posted - 2015.02.07 17:49:00 - [6] - Quote Theres one map i don't play because of the fact of memory leakage or overloaded memory. This issue has been around for a while and i wish it would be fixed. I hate doping down to 15 FPS for second then going back to maybe 30. Sometimes the lag will persist into the next match and at that point i have to restart the entire PS3. the garbage collection in this game needs to be improved. Also why can't they stream the data as needed from the hard drive on the PS3? i am an armature programming so i can see if they can't access that part of the engine but still I just thing they optimization for this game could be 3 times better. I want a constant 60 FPS with no drops unless in extreme conditions(16 players shooting plasma cannons at once) I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 103	Posted - 2015.02.08 04:37:00 - [7] - Quote I heard this game has a serious memory leak problem that get's worse the longer you play. As for exception handling (which i've noticed since i don't fatal error anymore) i'm happier. But... Now where's that garbage collector? i'm tired of running into the "memory exhausted" kind of freezes (like loading a map/warbarage or when i pull out the keyboard). Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1448	Posted - 2015.02.08 08:52:00 - [8] - Quote I will tell you that there is almost twice as much stuff in Catma then is actually put into the SDE as well. Oh and 3/4ths+ of attributes are filtered out because either CCP doesn't want people to know or it's obscure stuff like camera movements and whatnot. I'm sure tons of it could be optimized. I'm the Rayman of uplinks. AIV member. 21 day EVE trial.
Forlorn Destrier Incorruptibles 3254	Posted - 2015.02.08 11:59:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So it has come to my attention that EVERYTHING in the database upon entering the battle has to be loaded to the PS3's memory. That includes weapons, dropsuits, vehicles, modules, modifiers, literally everything. So I ask, wouldn't cleaning all the junk in the database reduce memory usage, and as such either improve performance or free up space for more content? There are plenty of unused things in the database, just a short look up in stuff514.com will allow you to find unused weapons, testing modules, olds turrets that were cut, basically lots and lots of junk. Examples: http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/352524 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/352522 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/354773 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/357007 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/357009 http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/352898 Another thing is tiercide. If we removed the tiers of every dropsuit in the game, we would be cutting out 32 STD/AVD dropsuits. Each dropsuit comes with a ton of modifiers and values attached to it as well as a skin applied to it, which I'm guessing eats up a decent amount of memory. Note: I could be completely wrong and this is complete speculation, but if I'm right, would the memory usage reduction be worth going into the database and cleaning it up? As for tiericide, Cat, I proposed this very thing in a very detailed outline, alas it must have been too much to read as no one is bumping. Go check it out and give feedback. I am the *Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning* *Havok* is my *Destiny* I am *Incorruptible*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16911	Posted - 2015.02.08 13:16:00 - [10] - Quote Not really, only things that are needed are put into memory. We are actively, however, trying to find any low hanging fruit in the performance category. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15016	Posted - 2015.02.08 13:23:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Not really, only things that are needed are put into memory. We are actively, however, trying to find any low hanging fruit in the performance category. Hmm, good to know. Thanks Rattati. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2015.02.08 13:30:00 - [12] - Quote The only idea i have is whenever someone pulls out the keyboard, freeze the screen but leave chat running. Anyways, thanks for looking in to it Rattati, appreciate it. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Mountain Doody F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. Smart Deploy 48	Posted - 2015.02.08 14:29:00 - [13] - Quote low hanging fruit: do you already post-load character images in chat menus? it usually takes me 20+ seconds to pull up my Team chat to join a squad at a new match
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 56	Posted - 2015.02.08 15:56:00 - [14] - Quote Dude... Just enter in the "Recovery Menu" in you Playstation 3, (search a tutorial of how do it). And restore the file sistem. You will notice a change in the performance. (not only in dust, also another digital games).
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 110	Posted - 2015.02.08 16:24:00 - [15] - Quote I wish we could defrag our consoles/compress data... Is there? Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15025	Posted - 2015.02.08 16:30:00 - [16] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: I wish we could defrag our consoles/compress data... Is there? You can actually. Search "PS3 Rebuild database". Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 175	Posted - 2015.02.08 16:58:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Not really, only things that are needed are put into memory. We are actively, however, trying to find any low hanging fruit in the performance category. moods could be turned off. This cause performance issues for a trade off of looking slightly different. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8531	Posted - 2015.02.08 17:01:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Not really, only things that are needed are put into memory. We are actively, however, trying to find any low hanging fruit in the performance category. I remember CCP Praetorian mentioning something at Fanfest about the fittings being a major suspect of performance loss and it being why SSD's are (potentially) faster than traditional stock drives because they can pull that information at a faster rate. Would also be why it's excruciating to try and edit/create a fit in the middle of battle. But doesn't this also mean that every single fitting that a person has must be loaded into memory to be freely available in the event that they spawn with it and/or change into that fit at a supply depot? Even assets they aren't using like, for instance, an Officer Dropsuit that they're only using as a favorited fit to show off the skin in the Warbarge? Theory assumes that (and I know the community will hang me for this) it would be a performance boost to limit the maximum amount of fittings a player has when they enter battle. It could potentially be a performance boost to also reduce the amount of assets used (tiers of dropsuits, entire other dropsuits for different skins, Aurum/LP/ISK variants of the same exact suit, etc). Considering that data loaded onto memory doesn't go away until the system is restarted, this would explain why it's so painful to be in PC as PC players usually have lots of different fits for lots of different things and also why it's so beneficial to restart the system prior to a PC match. Could stand to reason that we could go with Function over Form in this case. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15030	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:47:00 - [19] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Not really, only things that are needed are put into memory. We are actively, however, trying to find any low hanging fruit in the performance category. I remember CCP Praetorian mentioning something at Fanfest about the fittings being a major suspect of performance loss and it being why SSD's are (potentially) faster than traditional stock drives because they can pull that information at a faster rate. Would also be why it's excruciating to try and edit/create a fit in the middle of battle. But doesn't this also mean that every single fitting that a person has must be loaded into memory to be freely available in the event that they spawn with it and/or change into that fit at a supply depot? Even assets they aren't using like, for instance, an Officer Dropsuit that they're only using as a favorited fit to show off the skin in the Warbarge? Theory assumes that (and I know the community will hang me for this) it would be a performance boost to limit the maximum amount of fittings a player has when they enter battle. It could potentially be a performance boost to also reduce the amount of assets used (tiers of dropsuits, entire other dropsuits for different skins, Aurum/LP/ISK variants of the same exact suit, etc). Considering that data loaded onto memory doesn't go away until the system is restarted, this would explain why it's so painful to be in PC as PC players usually have lots of different fits for lots of different things and also why it's so beneficial to restart the system prior to a PC match. Could stand to reason that we could go with Function over Form in this case. We could create fittings folders that would allow us to have a bunch of different fits inside of them, but only one folder can be active inside battles. So you could have different folders for PC, Pubs, FW, etc'. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 716	Posted - 2015.02.08 21:31:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Not really, only things that are needed are put into memory. We are actively, however, trying to find any low hanging fruit in the performance category. I remember CCP Praetorian mentioning something at Fanfest about the fittings being a major suspect of performance loss and it being why SSD's are (potentially) faster than traditional stock drives because they can pull that information at a faster rate. Would also be why it's excruciating to try and edit/create a fit in the middle of battle. But doesn't this also mean that every single fitting that a person has must be loaded into memory to be freely available in the event that they spawn with it and/or change into that fit at a supply depot? Even assets they aren't using like, for instance, an Officer Dropsuit that they're only using as a favorited fit to show off the skin in the Warbarge? Theory assumes that (and I know the community will hang me for this) it would be a performance boost to limit the maximum amount of fittings a player has when they enter battle. It could potentially be a performance boost to also reduce the amount of assets used (tiers of dropsuits, entire other dropsuits for different skins, Aurum/LP/ISK variants of the same exact suit, etc). Considering that data loaded onto memory doesn't go away until the system is restarted, this would explain why it's so painful to be in PC as PC players usually have lots of different fits for lots of different things and also why it's so beneficial to restart the system prior to a PC match. Could stand to reason that we could go with Function over Form in this case. I wouldn't say no to being forced to choose 3 or 4 dropsuit loadouts + 2 or 3 vehicle loadouts to take into a battle. Would need to have a decent time on the warbarge though, with a note of what map we're playing. But yeah, I think a lot of other people would ***** and moan, despite most having a different character for each specialisation.

Pseudogenesis nos nothi 1646	Posted - 2015.02.08 22:56:00 - [21] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: I wouldn't say no to being forced to choose 3 or 4 dropsuit loadouts + 2 or 3 vehicle loadouts to take into a battle. Would need to have a decent time on the warbarge though, with a note of what map we're playing. But yeah, I think a lot of other people would ***** and moan, despite most having a different character for each specialisation. I would definitely have to be one of those people. I would hate not having the freedom/flexibility of being able to run whatever I want in a match. I guess I would do it for the good of the game... but gah it would be painful Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2483	Posted - 2015.02.09 01:07:00 - [22] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Would be interesting if tieracide actually gave us better game performance as well. The only good argument i've heard for tiericide so far. PSN: RationalSpark
Grimmiers 788	Posted - 2015.02.09 02:08:00 - [23] - Quote I wonder how memory gets cleared up during and after a battle. Also, does each dropsuit have it's only model it has to load in? Why wouldn't it just be a texture that replaces the material. Should they be preloaded?
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 122	Posted - 2015.02.09 08:47:00 - [24] - Quote You will not limit my suits I can take into pubs. Maybe I need my proto av for this *** proto tank/dropship. Maybe I need my battle logi. Maybe I need my Rep logi. My shield suit. Armor suit.. Too many variables that go on in the battle to limit what I can take in. I don't know what the blueberries are skilled into and neither do they know what I am. You can go ** yourself CCP if you think I'm going to standby and let that happen. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 262	Posted - 2015.02.09 09:56:00 - [25] - Quote I don't want to look at their database, when I see "An experimental mass driver" as a Commando description, it scares the sh*t out of me! Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 646	Posted - 2015.02.09 10:34:00 - [26] - Quote PS3 has very limited RAM (256MB for system + 256MB for graphics) Putting everything in your PS3 is wrong :) Eg. database of static items from eve is about 175MB pure of data. https://developers.eveonline.com/resource/static-data-export For playing in your fit, you only need 1 smal table of 'your effect' that can be created at time of generating fit and updated with your current skils and other things like warbage. You can have many of them (even for vehicles) stored at Dust servers and only loaded when you run at field (just one small table) and changed when you change fit or vehicle. No need keep this all in RAM. Part of it is needed at your clinet for showing animation and visual generating. Rest is needed only at server to calculate your actions. At best you no need any data if game is in 'stream' mode. Your hardware works only like 'dvd player' that shows streamed data from server. This is ultimate technique for low end hardware showning 'good' graphics (generated at server). You need only good connection to servers. Not much time left...
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15044	Posted - 2015.02.09 10:48:00 - [27] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: You will not limit my suits I can take into pubs. Maybe I need my proto av for this *** proto tank/dropship. Maybe I need my battle logi. Maybe I need my Rep logi. My shield suit. Armor suit.. Too many variables that go on in the battle to limit what I can take in. I don't know what the blueberries are skilled into and neither do they know what I am. You can go yourself CCP if you think I'm going to standby and let that happen. What? Did you even understand what I was saying? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!**
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3459	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:23:00 - [28] - Quote No, use resources to port to PC. I need to play this game in 4K. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7030	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:37:00 - [29] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: You can go **** yourself CCP if you think I'm going to standby and let that happen. I would love to see you try to stop them if they decide it's what's going to happen. AV


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