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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6968	Posted - 2015.02.06 13:16:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Since you said please :) So, I am jumping the gun a little, it's theoretically working but the idea is to create skin modules, that dynamically alter the skins, much like damage modifiers, treating colors like actual attributes. Currently, the dropsuits just reference a material instance that tells it what it should look like. That means every dropsuit is unique, not a copy of a parent, which means when 32 dropsuits are fighting, there may be 32 unique dropsuits on the field, taking up memory. The idea is to replace all colored variants with skin modules that look the same. That will allow us to "remove" dropsuit types from player inventories, and refund with modules and normal bpo's of the same type. No loss of utility or worth. Thereby improving memory, decreasing clutter in dropsuit fittings, and allowing players to use the skin module on adv and proto suits as well. I am just so excited about this, that I had to share with others than CPM. No promises though! I can't stress enough that I like this idea. This was also the main reason I keep banging on the "tiericide the dropsuits!" drum. Discuss. Don't be a sh*tlord. AV
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:24:00 - [2] - Quote So basically we would equip skin x to suit x for a colour scheme?. If so i like it if it will save memory and so long as there's a new skin slot for every suit. If this happens i would like a skin module from every suit i have. So off my sver logi suit i'd get a sver logi colour scheme module etc. If i'm not gettinng it then let me know as i have had an early joint today lol. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:30:00 - [3] - Quote Ah yeah breakin stuff, i am in Goon Brigade on the pc version of planetside 2. A fking amazing outfit and we do the equivalent to gangking but about 30-40 of us drop out of a galaxy and technically suicide gangk sunderers and stuff lol. Then we gangk bases, we are very tactical though and operate with around 4-5 full squads (about 40-50 persons). It has no connection to eve though and after asking when i wanted to join, they mentioned that they are asked this a lot. http://www.goonbrigade.com/ This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 568	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:35:00 - [4] - Quote So basically this skin module would take a slot in a fitting and change the color scheme of the suit? This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:40:00 - [5] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16711	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:52:00 - [6] - Quote "obviously" a new skin slot "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6969	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:53:00 - [7] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. If this is a thing odds are "skin module." I'm assuming that because my cynicism got kicked in the cujones earlier... by Rattati. A couple times. Ninja'd by the Dev! AV
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2104	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:59:00 - [8] - Quote Possible to do with guns as well? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:03:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot Nice. Any chance of a dust port to ps4 in the future or if a kickstarter for it was started, could this happen?. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 569	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:04:00 - [10] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. You mean like a medium slot similar to the ones in EVE Online? It would address this concern but CCP would have to redistribute slots to make room. Edit: Nevermind, Rattati explained how this will be possible.

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:07:00 - [11] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. You mean like a medium slot similar to the ones in EVE Online? It would address this concern but CCP would have to redistribute the slots to make room. No just another slot specifically for the skins. Confirmed by rattati anyway. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 569	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:12:00 - [12] - Quote I was still writing my last post when Rattati confirmed it. Anyway, I like this idea of a slot for skins.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7615	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:24:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Don't be a sh*tlord. Do not tell me how to live my life. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 325	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:25:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot The Blazing Intellect Machine
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 616	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:25:00 - [15] - Quote If this can be done; all power to our overlord Rattati!!! Just speculating of course, but I would not mind if a "skin module" can only be applied to one suite at a time. This would give a purpose of owning several "skins" of the same type.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 176	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:31:00 - [16] - Quote If you have ever played tanki online, they have that for the tanks. Different camos give different resistances. I like it but personally, I woundntadd it to dust. 48th Special Operations Force. "As a team or alone, I dominate the battlefield."
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1431	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:13:00 - [17] - Quote Lets hope you can pull it off! Combining all the BPOs that have all the same stats, give you a single BPO and then just all the skins that go with it, making it super easy to swap out the looks. Sounds like what everyone has wanted for years. My suggestion if you move forward with the skins, add in a way for insignia to be added to the skin as well, the aka corporation logo? This also reminds me when they presented the colors at Fanfest: http://imgur.com/a/wWJ0r Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1203	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:14:00 - [18] - Quote An intelligent way to monetize this game! sell vanity item like: forum and ingame avatar, weapon camo and visual effect, eye's light colors «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2942	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote While I support the idea, please try to keep some sort of visual identification between suit types and tiers. I like to be able to see the difference between a command and sentinel and an assault and Logi. (Remember that aiming for tacnet info isn't always an option, eg while cloaking) Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1431	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:32:00 - [20] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I support the idea, please try to keep some sort of visual identification between suit types and tiers. I like to be able to see the difference between a command and sentinel and an assault and Logi. (Remember that aiming for tacnet info isn't always an option, eg while cloaking) I believe their first goal is to reduce all the same suits (usually bpo varieties) to a single version of that suit and then just give you the various skins that you had bpos for. Skins become bpos to apply to all suits and then you still have base BPO and BPC suits for the stats. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15493	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:44:00 - [21] - Quote Is this really something that CCP should focus on, or that even warrants DEV time? This is an FPS and since people without SSDs can only see the Warbarge for about 1s you will almost never look at your char model for more than 5min, making ascetics and other skins pointless a pointless feature. Surely the goal is to actually improve the game as opposed to making it 50 Shades of Gear, no? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2105	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:52:00 - [22] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: An intelligent way to monetize this game! sell vanity item like: forum and ingame avatar, weapon camo and visual effect, eye's light colors Have suggested this multiple times. The nifty thing about a 'Skin' Slot is that it might ease up some of the games RAM use and fix a few memory issues while at the same time getting something like a 'Kaalakiota Assault Skin' would allow players (like me) who really enjoy [specific faction] to use that skin on all of their caldari assaults. Would be nice to potentially have skin slots for ammunition too so you could say do [gamma frequency crystal] as a skin and it would modify the color of all lasers to be blue, or similar things with other weapons. It wouldn't have a mechanical effect but it would allow a bit more overlap between the eve and dust universes. Atiim wrote: Is this really something that CCP should focus on, or that even warrants DEV time? This is an FPS and since people without SSDs can only see the Warbarge for about 1s you will almost never look at your char model for more than 5min, making ascetics and other skins pointless a pointless feature. Surely the goal is to actually improve the game as opposed to making it 50 Shades of Gear, no? Unfortunately atiim, in a free to play game as much as we might hate it some dev attention needs to be focused on monetization - in particular intelligent monetization. There are all sorts of bad ways to do it and we have been very fortunate with many of the ways CCP has handled it as it has been INCREDIBLY fair and without paywalls. Having methods of monetization that don't make players resent their implementation is a **ing great thing. This strikes me as something closer to the paint schemes present in the mechlab of MWO, where once a paint is bought it is permanently unlocked. I also mentioned slightly earlier in this post that with these no longer being handled as 'seperate' suits by the games memory it might actually lead to some small performance optimizations of dust: Translated this means 'less lag for dying repeatedly and switching suits in research lab' and 'less time to spawn out at the start of a match'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1206	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:53:00 - [23] - Quote I like the idea.would make the market a lot easier to use at the very least. do the devs think this would improve gameplay ? *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4775	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:57:00 - [24] - Quote The function alone makes it worth the effort. Any performance buff would be gravy. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5964	Posted - 2015.02.06 18:28:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot I have been saying we need this for at least the last 18 months, and I am not the only one. If you can make this work you will make a lot of people very happy, and it will open up further possibilities for modernization. I would love to see the option of purchasing Corporate colors at some point. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9500	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:15:00 - [26] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot I have been saying we need this for at least the last 18 months, and I am not the only one. If you can make this work you will make a lot of people very happy, and it will open up further possibilities for modernization. I would love to see the option of purchasing Corporate colors at some point. Exactly. This is a cash grab that I am 100% fine with and we've been wanting it for ages. I'd pay good money to color my suits and vehicles how I wanted. That Pyrus Camo and Valor Camo make my mouth water. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4532	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:16:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot This would be AMAZING! Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1508	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:35:00 - [28] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: I like the idea.would make the market a lot easier to use at the very least. do the devs think this would improve gameplay ? From 32 unique 3d rendered models to a theoretical max of 24, id think it would help Life's a numbers game. Good fuuuucking luck loading the dice in YOUR favor.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 219	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:27:00 - [29] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: .... eye's light colors OMFG THIS ^ I would start hogging all the Saturday hours to feed my eye color addiction if that happened! "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 572	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:35:00 - [30] - Quote There's just one thing that is needed for the skin slot. Where would it be located on the fitting screen?

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1509	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:50:00 - [31] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: There's just one thing that is needed for the skin slot. Where would it be located on the fitting screen? Next to the suit icon, or up to the right of ut just a hair , i d say at least. Don't have to futz with everything then Life's a numbers game. Good fuuuucking luck loading the dice in YOUR favor.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2119	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:09:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot "skin slot" sounds kinda dirty. "F*ck the polis" - Socrates
Grimmiers 787	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:19:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot Sweet. This will apply to guns and vehicles as well?
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1433	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:20:00 - [34] - Quote I'm moist. I'm the Rayman of uplinks. 21 day EVE trial.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 192	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:51:00 - [35] - Quote So...basically the same thing they're doing for Eve itself? Shiny! Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 469	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:09:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Meh. You just "Meh"-ed at performance gains. SHAME ! SHUN THE NON BELIEVER !!! SHUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN~~NNNhh
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 469	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:16:00 - [37] - Quote Also for those who have QUESTIONS: Since Rattati does not even know if this whole endeavor is POSSIBLE or not.. it might be more wise to formulate your posts as requests rather than questions. More often that not, the answer is "I don't know, but we will try". Just pointing out the obvious. With that said. I suggest this also applies to weapons ! Perhaps even separately? Example: Quafe Nova Knives on a Corporation Colored dropsuit, or Quafe Dropsuit with normal skinned weapons. This whole idea has to deal with the fact that with the advent of quafe weapons, there needs to be a way for people to keep the look of their current weapons and not lose it to the color pattern of the dropsuit.
deezy dabest 2126	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:25:00 - [38] - Quote This sounds like something that could seriously improve overall performance. Storing 32 models plus all vehicle models sounds like a serious waste of ram and that is before you consider the environment. I also have to wonder if the uniform models would help in hit detection as the system would no longer be working off of a bunch of suits' hit boxes.
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2833	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:34:00 - [39] - Quote Yea, I thought of this as a way to do BPO monetization in Legion. Just have one suit, one vehicle, etc. but skins applied (possibly to the manufacturing process?), and then people could make skins and sell them on the market, so not only is it the suit, it's which design looks the best as well. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2359	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:20:00 - [40] - Quote With such a thing coming out, could we -MAYBE- (ever in the future) Crosses fingers Have separate MODELS for each specialization? E.G. Basic Minmatar Light has a folded piece of metal on their left shoulder, to signify they are "Tankier" than the specialization, while the Scout has the current model? Minmatar Logi having a bigger/more prominent belt/pouch? Assault having a bigger backpack and/or more shoulder plates? I hate how ATM i have to memorize each specialization's VARIOUS skins to see "Oh that's a NOMAD, and not a SHAMAN." Or to see that someone is using the "Thale" gallente light and not some other type... like iunno, an OFFICER? Sure I can expect to see this, if at all, way in the future, but if you could just give me a nods or Stares menacingly I'd be very appreciative. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'

Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 648	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:29:00 - [41] - Quote What discussion? Who could possibly complain about the option to customize your suit colors O.O
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 222	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:54:00 - [42] - Quote If it means I can have a blue (or even better, blue and cyan) Sentinel wielding a Forge Gun, hell yes! Purifier. First Class.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 652	Posted - 2015.02.07 01:22:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot can we have pre-made schemes that can be bought from the market for isk,lp(factional colors),aur(specialties like camo) and on warbarge platform have a color palette to make custom schemes, once upgraded we can use colors we buy from the market to do so? edit: i want a black(primary) and fluoresent green scout ck.o!!!!!! (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs _/ \
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8512	Posted - 2015.02.07 02:08:00 - [44] - Quote -Eyeballs the $1,200 in expendable income he just got from income tax..... Genuinely trying to convince himself not to just spend it all on all the skins...- Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 193	Posted - 2015.02.07 02:09:00 - [45] - Quote Rattati, maybe you should talk to Foxfour to see how much (if any) from the Super Kerr-Induced Nanocoatings can be imported into dust...and maybe go with Hyasyoda Automatic Transformation System for it? XD Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Greiv Rabbah 13Art of War13 61	Posted - 2015.02.07 10:48:00 - [46] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. You mean like a medium slot similar to the ones in EVE Online? It would address this concern but CCP would have to redistribute slots to make room. Edit: Nevermind, Rattati explained how this will be possible. For educational purposes, medium slots in dust 514 are called hi slots. Observe the markers on the slots while fitting. Taken directly from eve, a single dash marks a low slot (like armor) a double dash is a medium slot (like shields), and 3 dashes making a triangle is a high slot (weapons and equipment incl guns, bombs, reppers, salvagers, drone bays, scanner probe launchers, etc) so a medium slot is in dust similar(identical) to the one in eve, but we call them hi slots
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 219	Posted - 2015.02.07 16:15:00 - [47] - Quote I'd suggest a skin called "Corporation standard" which sets the drop suit to the colors of the corporation, separately chosen from a limited availability color palette. This presents a huge monetization opportunity. Limit the available shades and colors available to corporations, giving them all an opportunity to outbid each other for the most popular colors, i.e. most probably "black." Figure out the Aurum to Isk exchange rate, sell Isk for Aurum, and let the bidding begin. Every month the corporate colors can come back up on the auction block for a three day auction. Is your corp profitable enough to keep its colors, or will you spend Aurum to keep them? The real question is, which day of the month do you want your your Aurum sales to spike? The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2313	Posted - 2015.02.07 16:50:00 - [48] - Quote I hope this can be applied to vehicles as well. I love that camo on the State Gunnlogi "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1516	Posted - 2015.02.07 16:55:00 - [49] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I hope this can be applied to vehicles as well. I love that camo on the State Gunnlogi Caldari digital camo for days man! I've requested to pay money for it before, will do it again! I really DO hate you all.


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