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CCP Rattati wrote:

Since you said please :)

So, I am jumping the gun a little, it's theoretically working but the idea is to create skin modules, that dynamically alter the skins, much like damage modifiers, treating colors like actual attributes. Currently, the dropsuits just reference a material instance that tells it what it should look like.

That means every dropsuit is unique, not a copy of a parent, which means when 32 dropsuits are fighting, there may be 32 unique dropsuits on the field, taking up memory.

The idea is to replace all colored variants with skin modules that look the same. That will allow us to "remove" dropsuit types from player inventories, and refund with modules and normal bpo's of the same type. No loss of utility or worth.

Thereby improving memory, decreasing clutter in dropsuit fittings, and allowing players to use the skin module on adv and proto suits as well.

I am just so excited about this, that I had to share with others than CPM. No promises though!

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6968	Posted - 2015.02.06 13:16:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Since you said please :) So, I am jumping the gun a little, it's theoretically working but the idea is to create skin modules, that dynamically alter the skins, much like damage modifiers, treating colors like actual attributes. Currently, the dropsuits just reference a material instance that tells it what it should look like. That means every dropsuit is unique, not a copy of a parent, which means when 32 dropsuits are fighting, there may be 32 unique dropsuits on the field, taking up memory. The idea is to replace all colored variants with skin modules that look the same. That will allow us to "remove" dropsuit types from player inventories, and refund with modules and normal bpo's of the same type. No loss of utility or worth. Thereby improving memory, decreasing clutter in dropsuit fittings, and allowing players to use the skin module on adv and proto suits as well. I am just so excited about this, that I had to share with others than CPM. No promises though! I can't stress enough that I like this idea. This was also the main reason I keep banging on the "tiericide the dropsuits!" drum. Discuss. Don't be a sh*tlord. AV
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:24:00 - [2] - Quote So basically we would equip skin x to suit x for a colour scheme?. If so i like it if it will save memory and so long as there's a new skin slot for every suit. If this happens i would like a skin module from every suit i have. So off my sver logi suit i'd get a sver logi colour scheme module etc. If i'm not gettinng it then let me know as i have had an early joint today lol. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:30:00 - [3] - Quote Ah yeah breakin stuff, i am in Goon Brigade on the pc version of planetside 2. A fking amazing outfit and we do the equivalent to gangking but about 30-40 of us drop out of a galaxy and technically suicide gangk sunderers and stuff lol. Then we gangk bases, we are very tactical though and operate with around 4-5 full squads (about 40-50 persons). It has no connection to eve though and after asking when i wanted to join, they mentioned that they are asked this a lot. http://www.goonbrigade.com/ This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 568	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:35:00 - [4] - Quote So basically this skin module would take a slot in a fitting and change the color scheme of the suit? This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:40:00 - [5] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16711	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:52:00 - [6] - Quote "obviously" a new skin slot "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6969	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:53:00 - [7] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. If this is a thing odds are "skin module." I'm assuming that because my cynicism got kicked in the cujones earlier... by Rattati. A couple times. Ninja'd by the Dev! AV
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2104	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:59:00 - [8] - Quote Possible to do with guns as well? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:03:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot Nice. Any chance of a dust port to ps4 in the future or if a kickstarter for it was started, could this happen?. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 569	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:04:00 - [10] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. You mean like a medium slot similar to the ones in EVE Online? It would address this concern but CCP would have to redistribute slots to make room. Edit: Nevermind, Rattati explained how this will be possible.

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:07:00 - [11] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: Terry Webber wrote: This sounds like a good idea but it could potentially mess up fittings if players have to sacrifice a module to install the skin module. That had best not be the case. I think there should be a new slot for it or it's pretty lame and i can't see people using skins anymore. You mean like a medium slot similar to the ones in EVE Online? It would address this concern but CCP would have to redistribute the slots to make room. No just another slot specifically for the skins. Confirmed by rattati anyway. This is TechMechMeds tanker. Redeployside - You are just in time for minimal immersion edition of ps2. Enjoy.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 569	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:12:00 - [12] - Quote I was still writing my last post when Rattati confirmed it. Anyway, I like this idea of a slot for skins.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7615	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:24:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Don't be a sh*tlord. Do not tell me how to live my life. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 325	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:25:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot The Blazing Intellect Machine
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 616	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:25:00 - [15] - Quote If this can be done; all power to our overlord Rattati!!! Just speculating of course, but I would not mind if a "skin module" can only be applied to one suite at a time. This would give a purpose of owning several "skins" of the same type.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 176	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:31:00 - [16] - Quote If you have ever played tanki online, they have that for the tanks. Different camos give different resistances. I like it but personally, I woundntadd it to dust. 48th Special Operations Force. "As a team or alone, I dominate the battlefield."
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1431	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:13:00 - [17] - Quote Lets hope you can pull it off! Combining all the BPOs that have all the same stats, give you a single BPO and then just all the skins that go with it, making it super easy to swap out the looks. Sounds like what everyone has wanted for years. My suggestion if you move forward with the skins, add in a way for insignia to be added to the skin as well, the aka corporation logo? This also reminds me when they presented the colors at Fanfest: http://imgur.com/a/wWJ0r Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1203	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:14:00 - [18] - Quote An intelligent way to monetize this game! sell vanity item like: forum and ingame avatar, weapon camo and visual effect, eye's light colors «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2942	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote While I support the idea, please try to keep some sort of visual identification between suit types and tiers. I like to be able to see the difference between a command and sentinel and an assault and Logi. (Remember that aiming for tacnet info isn't always an option, eg while cloaking) Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1431	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:32:00 - [20] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I support the idea, please try to keep some sort of visual identification between suit types and tiers. I like to be able to see the difference between a command and sentinel and an assault and Logi. (Remember that aiming for tacnet info isn't always an option, eg while cloaking) I believe their first goal is to reduce all the same suits (usually bpo varieties) to a single version of that suit and then just give you the various skins that you had bpos for. Skins become bpos to apply to all suits and then you still have base BPO and BPC suits for the stats. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15493	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:44:00 - [21] - Quote Is this really something that CCP should focus on, or that even warrants DEV time? This is an FPS and since people without SSDs can only see the Warbarge for about 1s you will almost never look at your char model for more than 5min, making ascetics and other skins pointless a pointless feature. Surely the goal is to actually improve the game as opposed to making it 50 Shades of Gear, no? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2105	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:52:00 - [22] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: An intelligent way to monetize this game! sell vanity item like: forum and ingame avatar, weapon camo and visual effect, eye's light colors Have suggested this multiple times. The nifty thing about a 'Skin' Slot is that it might ease up some of the games RAM use and fix a few memory issues while at the same time getting something like a 'Kaalakiota Assault Skin' would allow players (like me) who really enjoy [specific faction] to use that skin on all of their caldari assaults. Would be nice to potentially have skin slots for ammunition too so you could say do [gamma frequency crystal] as a skin and it would modify the color of all lasers to be blue, or similar things with other weapons. It wouldn't have a mechanical effect but it would allow a bit more overlap between the eve and dust universes. Atiim wrote: Is this really something that CCP should focus on, or that even warrants DEV time? This is an FPS and since people without SSDs can only see the Warbarge for about 1s you will almost never look at your char model for more than 5min, making ascetics and other skins pointless a pointless feature. Surely the goal is to actually improve the game as opposed to making it 50 Shades of Gear, no? Unfortunately atiim, in a free to play game as much as we might hate it some dev attention needs to be focused on monetization - in particular intelligent monetization. There are all sorts of bad ways to do it and we have been very fortunate with many of the ways CCP has handled it as it has been INCREDIBLY fair and without paywalls. Having methods of monetization that don't make players resent their implementation is a **ing great thing. This strikes me as something closer to the paint schemes present in the mechlab of MWO, where once a paint is bought it is permanently unlocked. I also mentioned slightly earlier in this post that with these no longer being handled as 'seperate' suits by the games memory it might actually lead to some small performance optimizations of dust: Translated this means 'less lag for dying repeatedly and switching suits in research lab' and 'less time to spawn out at the start of a match'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1206	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:53:00 - [23] - Quote I like the idea.would make the market a lot easier to use at the very least. do the devs think this would improve gameplay ? *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4775	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:57:00 - [24] - Quote The function alone makes it worth the effort. Any performance buff would be gravy. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5964	Posted - 2015.02.06 18:28:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot I have been saying we need this for at least the last 18 months, and I am not the only one. If you can make this work you will make a lot of people very happy, and it will open up further possibilities for modernization. I would love to see the option of purchasing Corporate colors at some point. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9500	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:15:00 - [26] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot I have been saying we need this for at least the last 18 months, and I am not the only one. If you can make this work you will make a lot of people very happy, and it will open up further possibilities for modernization. I would love to see the option of purchasing Corporate colors at some point. Exactly. This is a cash grab that I am 100% fine with and we've been wanting it for ages. I'd pay good money to color my suits and vehicles how I wanted. That Pyrus Camo and Valor Camo make my mouth water. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4532	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:16:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: "obviously" a new skin slot This would be AMAZING! Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1508	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:35:00 - [28] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: I like the idea.would make the market a lot easier to use at the very least. do the devs think this would improve gameplay ? From 32 unique 3d rendered models to a theoretical max of 24, id think it would help Life's a numbers game. Good fuuuucking luck loading the dice in YOUR favor.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 219	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:27:00 - [29] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: .... eye's light colors OMFG THIS ^ I would start hogging all the Saturday hours to feed my eye color addiction if that happened! "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 572	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:35:00 - [30] - Quote There's just one thing that is needed for the skin slot. Where would it be located on the fitting screen?



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