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Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2015.02.04 17:52:00 - [1] - Quote Is there any chance we can work out a way to prevent every suit that isnt a scout from being subjected to permascans in any game where some ** eating chode decides that instead of playing the game he'd rather sit at a supply depot abusing the ** out of scanners all game, or some guy who likes to run 4 scanners on his logi? Maybe make it so depots dont reset scanner cooldowns? Maybe add in scan immunity after being scanned where you are scan immune for X seconds after being hit by an active scanner?
punksnowmash The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:36:00 - [2] - Quote One word. Dampeners.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1113	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:38:00 - [3] - Quote Just stop looking at that part of the screen...... Should Legion be on the ps4?
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 819	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:40:00 - [4] - Quote i only have a problem with gal logis with impossible to escape scans. LogicGäó
robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 779	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:42:00 - [5] - Quote Dampen dampen dampen you need a dampener Robin Williams endorses this corp
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8396	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: i only have a problem with gal logis with impossible to escape scans. Not impossible, just very very difficult. Can do it with three Complex Prof Dampeners on an Assault, I believe. Might be four. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:57:00 - [7] - Quote punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5970	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: i only have a problem with gal logis with impossible to escape scans. Not impossible, just very very difficult. Can do it with three Complex Prof Dampeners on an Assault, I believe. Might be four. But if the galogi is using this scanner they are certainly not perma scanned. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 609	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:25:00 - [9] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:27:00 - [10] - Quote hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5970	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:29:00 - [11] - Quote I'm probably in the minority but I don't think active scanners are anymore scrubby than dampened out shotgunners with REs. I also believe that in the time of "permascans" someone who does fit for avoiding scans has a HUGE advantage because people are so used to seeing everyone. With scouts being much less of a spammed class it sets up the true scout artists to have a lot of success. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 397	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:29:00 - [12] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Is there any chance we can work out a way to prevent every suit that isnt a scout from being subjected to permascans in any game where some ** eating chode decides that instead of playing the game he'd rather sit at a supply depot abusing the ** out of scanners all game, or some guy who likes to run 4 scanners on his logi? Maybe make it so depots dont reset scanner cooldowns? Maybe add in scan immunity after being scanned where you are scan immune for X seconds after being hit by an active scanner? Nerf the range and duration by half itll force them to come find you. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
DozersMouse XIII Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:30:00 - [13] - Quote damp up or scan back that's the game "I had no idea you could milk a cat." "Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples."
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2929	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:46:00 - [14] - Quote punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with two equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
DozersMouse XIII Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:49:00 - [15] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with two equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. and that gal logi has a profile of 45 if cores are maxed out and i'm sure almost none of them run damps the only problem with the scanners is they share scans with the whole team "I had no idea you could milk a cat." "Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples."
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5970	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:51:00 - [16] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with two equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. and that gal logi has a profile of 45 if cores are maxed out and i'm sure almost none of them run damps the only problem with the scanners is they share scans with the whole team Yeah, I don't like the team scans at all. Solo play doesn't need to be encouraged at all at this point. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21700	Posted - 2015.02.04 20:12:00 - [17] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with three equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. It takes three scanners with a Gallogi to achieve permascans with flux scanners. Also, if you're using all of those proto scanners using a standard suit is really a stupid idea, because you're already spending so much you might as well run proto. And finally, it's only 90 degrees. If someone wants to go into a completely specialised role with a high degree of SP investment in that job and devote all their equipment to the task and play as a weak suit so they can do it, I don't mind being permascanned if I refuse to dampen properly and refuse to come in from any direction other than a completely obvious one, especially seeing as my assault is vastly tougher and harder hitting than them. Unveiling the revolutionary, new, content-packed expansion... *AURlords 1.0!*
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 440	Posted - 2015.02.04 20:29:00 - [18] - Quote I think the db/precision balance between suits is ok at this point. Ewar should be an important part of the battlefield and a viable specialty. The problem is that scan data is shared amongst the entire team. Having a consistent picture of the battlefield should be managed from squad to squad, as it makes for a very powerful advantage. We shouldn't be sacrificing ewar balance in the name of making solo players more effective, it should primarily be a teamwork encouraging tool and a force multiplier for organized groups. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
TritusX PH4NT0M5 216	Posted - 2015.02.04 20:37:00 - [19] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm probably in the minority but I don't think active scanners are anymore scrubby than dampened out shotgunners with REs. But I use Nova Knives Forced Death
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 399	Posted - 2015.02.04 21:06:00 - [20] - Quote OuchGÇªthis is a difficult subject. If we haven't notice by now, CCP adores the mechanic called EWAR. They will not likely ever tone down the tailor-made "bonuses" that exclusive suits have when it comes to evading scans, and the scary tension that suddenly comes over us when a scan is run and suddenly 20 red mercs light up and look to the right in unison like deer in the headlights. I have hit the "Like" button on the players whose posts I agree with. And special Kudos to Thor, for pointing out my agreed opinion about the Cloaker Scout Suits being different from true-skilled Scout players! Rock on, Thor. As long as there is a fall-off mechanic in the game that will automatically cancel your EWAR bonus you may have, and give the adversary some brief chance to escape you or detect you, I think we should accept the way things are (maybe not fully comfortable for us, but acceptable). Having the scan results appear on the entire team's HUD is acceptable to me, because the "fall-off" is that the reading only lasts about 5 seconds (and can be reduced by CCP in the future if we need to do that). Having exclusive Scout suits evade almost every scan is acceptable, so long as you'll have to BUILD your suit to accomplish that, AND efforts are being made to give Installations (CRU, GUN Installation, etc) enough native scanning to protect you from a dampened red who is sneaking up on you, and make even the most dampened Scout's invisibility fall off. And I think Rattati's team mentioned they are TRYING to script a squad-version of the scanners to compete with the team-version scanner currently being used, and ultimately make the team-version scanner less frequent on the battlefield. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.

Leovarian L Lavitz KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1378	Posted - 2015.02.04 21:33:00 - [21] - Quote I think active scanners should match the suit's ewar, and be affected by the precision enhancer modules. This way, to permascan the enemies, that suit would actually have to make a similar sacrifice as the suits it is trying to scan. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 1883	Posted - 2015.02.04 22:16:00 - [22] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I think active scanners should match the suit's ewar, and be affected by the precision enhancer modules. This way, to permascan the enemies, that suit would actually have to make a similar sacrifice as the suits it is trying to scan. I actually sort of like this... If it weren't for the fact that this would make the Gallogi not very specialized anymore... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7634	Posted - 2015.02.04 22:40:00 - [23] - Quote Didn't Medium Frames JUST get an EWAR buff? I was under the impression that Assaults and Logis just got a major buff to their ability to dampen and beat scans. I just, I don't understand what the problem is and what you want done with it. I can see maybe reducing the number of team shared scanners, but if you want to further buff Medium Frame EWAR you blatantly take that role from scouts. I get the frustration, but you have Complex Dampeners at your disposal if you really hate seeing the message that badly. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 528	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:43:00 - [24] - Quote hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches That is why you run as a duo. If there are cloak scouts on the enemy team, me and my logi both run needles. He dies, i destroy scout. I die, scout is left with 20 armor for logi to destroy. NK scouts are a different story...NK'ing takes skill and practice looking for PC corporation also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:) heavies looking for me
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2930	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:05:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It takes three scanners with a Gallogi to achieve permascans with flux scanners. "Technically." There needs to be like a 1-2 sec delay between bursts, but that's negligible. Oh, and you can still fit a third proto scanner if you really want, I typically have a Focused in case a scout wises up. (And the suit only costs 55-80k, not too bad) Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: And finally, it's only 90 degrees. Thanks for reminding me, in fact there actually is an amount of "spin-to-win" still functional, so the actual range is more like +180-¦. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If someone wants to go into a completely specialised role with a high degree of SP investment in that job and devote all their equipment to the task and play as a weak suit so they can do it, I don't mind being permascanned if I refuse to dampen properly and refuse to come in from any direction other than a completely obvious one, especially seeing as my assault is vastly tougher and harder hitting than them. And yet when I run a ~300-450hp PROTO Cal scout dedicated to scanning (using 2-4 of my MAXIMUM 6 available slots for ewar mods) and costs over 5mil SP of an investment, everyone loses their sh*t and some how that's OP. Having severely lacking scans compared to the above and only sharing those scans with squad mates in the vicinity is some how abhorrent enough to essential wipe it from use, while this is praised as "good tactics, emergent gameplayGäó, etc." I'm just asking you guys have a little perspective and consistency with your arguments. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Varoth Drac State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:08:00 - [26] - Quote Assaults can dampen below Gal logi scans with three dampeners, unless they are using focused scanners, but nobody uses those as they are terrible. If you want to avoid scans fit damps.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6007	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:13:00 - [27] - Quote Mediums can already dodge STD scans without any SP invested... Use dampeners?
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 620	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:27:00 - [28] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts. Or 75/11 as I had the pleasure to watch a Third Rock member go with a scout and REs only 36 hours ago.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 383	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:31:00 - [29] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts. Or 75/11 as I had the pleasure to watch a Third Rock member go with a scout using REs only - a mere 36 hours ago. Just because saxon is in my corporation doesnt mean I like playing the stereotypical remote chucking shotgun ****.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1243	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:32:00 - [30] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Is there any chance we can work out a way to prevent every suit that isnt a scout from being subjected to permascans in any game where some ** eating chode decides that instead of playing the game he'd rather sit at a supply depot abusing the ** out of scanners all game, or some guy who likes to run 4 scanners on his logi? Maybe make it so depots dont reset scanner cooldowns? Maybe add in scan immunity after being scanned where you are scan immune for X seconds after being hit by an active scanner? I like my frames how I like my women. Damp, silent, fast, and scrubby. Too much info? Or just right? "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6009	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:34:00 - [31] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Is there any chance we can work out a way to prevent every suit that isnt a scout from being subjected to permascans in any game where some ** eating chode decides that instead of playing the game he'd rather sit at a supply depot abusing the ** out of scanners all game, or some guy who likes to run 4 scanners on his logi? Maybe make it so depots dont reset scanner cooldowns? Maybe add in scan immunity after being scanned where you are scan immune for X seconds after being hit by an active scanner? I like my frames how I like my women. Damp, silent, fast, and scrubby. Too much info? Or just right? Not enough info.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8429	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:04:00 - [32] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: But if the galogi is using this scanner they are certainly not perma scanned. I'm just thankful that the Gal Logi can still do that since they raped it out of being able to scan down Scouts reliably. Vulpes Dolosus wrote: And yet when I run a ~300-450hp PROTO Cal scout dedicated to scanning (using 2-4 of my MAXIMUM 6 available slots for ewar mods) and costs over 5mil SP of an investment, everyone loses their sht and some how that's OP. Having severely lacking scans compared to the above and only sharing those scans with squad mates in the vicinity is some how abhorrent enough to essential wipe it from use, while this is praised as "good tactics, emergent gameplayGäó, etc." I'm just asking you guys have a little perspective and consistency with your arguments. When your passive 360 scans have a 30 second cooldown between uses, lemme know. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? Founder of AIV*
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:22:00 - [33] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts. Or 75/11 as I had the pleasure to watch a Third Rock member go with a scout using REs only - a mere 36 hours ago. okay?.....that was one member, wasn't your complaint about squads of them? try to be consistent little imp .. you people with scanners never move a step without scanning an area.... you aren't slayers you are opportunist you run away at the first sight of danger but you feel brave when you see a MLT suit lmao Director / Slayer / Emperor
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 44	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:51:00 - [34] - Quote The sad part is, it just isn't viable to dampen in any competitive matches if you're an assault or logi. Gal Logi precision bonus nullifies you. Killed by Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p on June 28 1914. Last words: "Nova Knives and a Flaylock Pistol? I might just die laughing!"
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1199	Posted - 2015.02.05 06:05:00 - [35] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: i only have a problem with gal logis with impossible to escape scans. Gal Logi scans everything except dampened scouts. Tis fair. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 389	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:28:00 - [36] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: The sad part is, it just isn't viable to dampen in any competitive matches if you're an assault or logi. Gal Logi precision bonus nullifies you. This. I was thinking maybe if the active scans only propagated to the TACNET of people within a certain range of the logi that might do something (especially in regards to supply depot ballet scanning). Whats GD think of that?
RayRay James State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 984	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:52:00 - [37] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: The sad part is, it just isn't viable to dampen in any competitive matches if you're an assault or logi. Gal Logi precision bonus nullifies you. You know whats funny? In almost all of my daily matches, I run a bluepring SEVR logi suit. It has no modules on it to reduce scan profile. I have my cores at 5, so that should make my profile -45Db. There are so many people out there using militia scanners that I see SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED anearly as often as I see YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED. Now, sure, when I'm in PC I get scanned all the time. I expect to, so I don't care when it happens. The scanner doesnt know if I'm a logi, a scout or a heavy just that I'm there. My PC suit has 2 precision enhancers, which get's that logi suit to a precision of -27Db and a 13M range ( i think it's 13M) anyways, even if a scout tries to run in behind me, I have a few seconds that he's on my tacnet so long as he's not completely damped. I kill a lot of shotgun scouts in that suit, even when they do scan me first. Stop worrying about active scanners so much. They DO NOT give you enough detail to know if you can win a fight or even what you're up against. They can only show you the amount of people in front of you, and while that can be important, it's not the key to winning a fight.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 389	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:57:00 - [38] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: The sad part is, it just isn't viable to dampen in any competitive matches if you're an assault or logi. Gal Logi precision bonus nullifies you. You know whats funny? In almost all of my daily matches, I run a bluepring SEVR logi suit. It has no modules on it to reduce scan profile. I have my cores at 5, so that should make my profile -45Db. There are so many people out there using militia scanners that I see SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED anearly as often as I see YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED. Now, sure, when I'm in PC I get scanned all the time. I expect to, so I don't care when it happens. The scanner doesnt know if I'm a logi, a scout or a heavy just that I'm there. My PC suit has 2 precision enhancers, which get's that logi suit to a precision of -27Db and a 13M range ( i think it's 13M) anyways, even if a scout tries to run in behind me, I have a few seconds that he's on my tacnet so long as he's not completely damped. I kill a lot of shotgun scouts in that suit, even when they do scan me first. Stop worrying about active scanners so much. They DO NOT give you enough detail to know if you can win a fight or even what you're up against. They can only show you the amount of people in front of you, and while that can be important, it's not the key to winning a fight. Oh ok, when Im flanking around to try to accomplish something in a protostomp and I get scanned and instantly people start running after me and sniping me I didnt know all I needed to do was stop worrying about it. My bad. Ill try that next time.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2826	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:58:00 - [39] - Quote I wish there was an active way to counter scans. We have passive and active scanning, but only passive jamming. There needs to be a radar jammer equipment with a similar 30s CD or whatever that scrambles all scans in X radius for Y duration. Something like that would finally give my Assault a worthwhile equipment to use that isn't Nanohives. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 390	Posted - 2015.02.05 19:02:00 - [40] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: I wish there was an active way to counter scans. We have passive and active scanning, but only passive jamming. There needs to be a radar jammer equipment with a similar 30s CD or whatever that scrambles all scans in X radius for Y duration. Something like that would finally give my Assault a worthwhile equipment to use that isn't Nanohives. Mite b cool

Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2837	Posted - 2015.02.05 19:07:00 - [41] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: I wish there was an active way to counter scans. We have passive and active scanning, but only passive jamming. There needs to be a radar jammer equipment with a similar 30s CD or whatever that scrambles all scans in X radius for Y duration. Something like that would finally give my Assault a worthwhile equipment to use that isn't Nanohives. Mite b cool It would help a bit with the Ambush steamrolls you see so often. After the scan changes, it's become so easy for teams to just zerg the red dot swarm while permascans light up everyone on the field. Scanning is so incredibly stupid right now. There need to be more counterplay options for it besides "Oh just waste all your low slots on dampeners!" Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 638	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:02:00 - [42] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts. Or 75/11 as I had the pleasure to watch a Third Rock member go with a scout using REs only - a mere 36 hours ago. okay?.....that was one member, wasn't your complaint about squads of them? try to be consistent little imp .. you people with scanners never move a step without scanning an area.... you aren't slayers you are opportunist you run away at the first sight of danger but you feel brave when you see a MLT suit lmao No. Another poster complained about squads of scouts. Although squads of scouts are like squads of heavies -- a symptom of a problem. I have no complaint with your guild member. I could care less about, as the guy above me said, "squads of scouts." I have a complaint with CCP that your guild member (and in fact any scout) can get away with running into a room of 3 heavies, 2 logis, and on occasion 2 or 3 others, dropping a remote, and making it out the other door and blowing everyone to hell without even losing their shields. Over, and over and over. Not having to stick around to fight is ridiculous. It's only moderately less dangerous, yet significantly more rewarding than camping on an MCC. The fact that so many people can and do do it says 1 thing. It's easy. Anyone can. It's not that some scouts are talented, properly fit, have practiced, are skilled, have experience, or anything like that. If there were some die hards in the game that could do it -- I would applaud them. The fact that anyone can and does says this means that the skill required is not matched between roles. It takes (incoming made up numbers for analogy) on a scale of 1 to 10 3 skill wise to reap tons and tons of kills. Yet a skill of 8 to defend against it. 9 to replicated it with a different role. GTFO with that. And I, of ALL people, saying this! I miss the days when my baby was not broken Q.Q


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