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Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2015.02.04 17:52:00 - [1] - Quote Is there any chance we can work out a way to prevent every suit that isnt a scout from being subjected to permascans in any game where some ** eating chode decides that instead of playing the game he'd rather sit at a supply depot abusing the ** out of scanners all game, or some guy who likes to run 4 scanners on his logi? Maybe make it so depots dont reset scanner cooldowns? Maybe add in scan immunity after being scanned where you are scan immune for X seconds after being hit by an active scanner?
punksnowmash The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:36:00 - [2] - Quote One word. Dampeners.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1113	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:38:00 - [3] - Quote Just stop looking at that part of the screen...... Should Legion be on the ps4?
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 819	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:40:00 - [4] - Quote i only have a problem with gal logis with impossible to escape scans. LogicGäó
robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 779	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:42:00 - [5] - Quote Dampen dampen dampen you need a dampener Robin Williams endorses this corp
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8396	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: i only have a problem with gal logis with impossible to escape scans. Not impossible, just very very difficult. Can do it with three Complex Prof Dampeners on an Assault, I believe. Might be four. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2015.02.04 18:57:00 - [7] - Quote punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5970	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: i only have a problem with gal logis with impossible to escape scans. Not impossible, just very very difficult. Can do it with three Complex Prof Dampeners on an Assault, I believe. Might be four. But if the galogi is using this scanner they are certainly not perma scanned. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 609	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:25:00 - [9] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:27:00 - [10] - Quote hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5970	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:29:00 - [11] - Quote I'm probably in the minority but I don't think active scanners are anymore scrubby than dampened out shotgunners with REs. I also believe that in the time of "permascans" someone who does fit for avoiding scans has a HUGE advantage because people are so used to seeing everyone. With scouts being much less of a spammed class it sets up the true scout artists to have a lot of success. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 397	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:29:00 - [12] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Is there any chance we can work out a way to prevent every suit that isnt a scout from being subjected to permascans in any game where some ** eating chode decides that instead of playing the game he'd rather sit at a supply depot abusing the ** out of scanners all game, or some guy who likes to run 4 scanners on his logi? Maybe make it so depots dont reset scanner cooldowns? Maybe add in scan immunity after being scanned where you are scan immune for X seconds after being hit by an active scanner? Nerf the range and duration by half itll force them to come find you. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
DozersMouse XIII Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:30:00 - [13] - Quote damp up or scan back that's the game "I had no idea you could milk a cat." "Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples."
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2929	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:46:00 - [14] - Quote punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with two equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
DozersMouse XIII Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:49:00 - [15] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with two equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. and that gal logi has a profile of 45 if cores are maxed out and i'm sure almost none of them run damps the only problem with the scanners is they share scans with the whole team "I had no idea you could milk a cat." "Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples."
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5970	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:51:00 - [16] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with two equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. and that gal logi has a profile of 45 if cores are maxed out and i'm sure almost none of them run damps the only problem with the scanners is they share scans with the whole team Yeah, I don't like the team scans at all. Solo play doesn't need to be encouraged at all at this point. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21700	Posted - 2015.02.04 20:12:00 - [17] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. A few more words: Gal logis can perma-scan 200m at 90-¦ angle at 21dB with three equipment you can easily fit in a standard suit. It takes three scanners with a Gallogi to achieve permascans with flux scanners. Also, if you're using all of those proto scanners using a standard suit is really a stupid idea, because you're already spending so much you might as well run proto. And finally, it's only 90 degrees. If someone wants to go into a completely specialised role with a high degree of SP investment in that job and devote all their equipment to the task and play as a weak suit so they can do it, I don't mind being permascanned if I refuse to dampen properly and refuse to come in from any direction other than a completely obvious one, especially seeing as my assault is vastly tougher and harder hitting than them. Unveiling the revolutionary, new, content-packed expansion... *AURlords 1.0!*
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 440	Posted - 2015.02.04 20:29:00 - [18] - Quote I think the db/precision balance between suits is ok at this point. Ewar should be an important part of the battlefield and a viable specialty. The problem is that scan data is shared amongst the entire team. Having a consistent picture of the battlefield should be managed from squad to squad, as it makes for a very powerful advantage. We shouldn't be sacrificing ewar balance in the name of making solo players more effective, it should primarily be a teamwork encouraging tool and a force multiplier for organized groups. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
TritusX PH4NT0M5 216	Posted - 2015.02.04 20:37:00 - [19] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm probably in the minority but I don't think active scanners are anymore scrubby than dampened out shotgunners with REs. But I use Nova Knives Forced Death
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 399	Posted - 2015.02.04 21:06:00 - [20] - Quote OuchGÇªthis is a difficult subject. If we haven't notice by now, CCP adores the mechanic called EWAR. They will not likely ever tone down the tailor-made "bonuses" that exclusive suits have when it comes to evading scans, and the scary tension that suddenly comes over us when a scan is run and suddenly 20 red mercs light up and look to the right in unison like deer in the headlights. I have hit the "Like" button on the players whose posts I agree with. And special Kudos to Thor, for pointing out my agreed opinion about the Cloaker Scout Suits being different from true-skilled Scout players! Rock on, Thor. As long as there is a fall-off mechanic in the game that will automatically cancel your EWAR bonus you may have, and give the adversary some brief chance to escape you or detect you, I think we should accept the way things are (maybe not fully comfortable for us, but acceptable). Having the scan results appear on the entire team's HUD is acceptable to me, because the "fall-off" is that the reading only lasts about 5 seconds (and can be reduced by CCP in the future if we need to do that). Having exclusive Scout suits evade almost every scan is acceptable, so long as you'll have to BUILD your suit to accomplish that, AND efforts are being made to give Installations (CRU, GUN Installation, etc) enough native scanning to protect you from a dampened red who is sneaking up on you, and make even the most dampened Scout's invisibility fall off. And I think Rattati's team mentioned they are TRYING to script a squad-version of the scanners to compete with the team-version scanner currently being used, and ultimately make the team-version scanner less frequent on the battlefield. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.

Leovarian L Lavitz KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1378	Posted - 2015.02.04 21:33:00 - [21] - Quote I think active scanners should match the suit's ewar, and be affected by the precision enhancer modules. This way, to permascan the enemies, that suit would actually have to make a similar sacrifice as the suits it is trying to scan. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 1883	Posted - 2015.02.04 22:16:00 - [22] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I think active scanners should match the suit's ewar, and be affected by the precision enhancer modules. This way, to permascan the enemies, that suit would actually have to make a similar sacrifice as the suits it is trying to scan. I actually sort of like this... If it weren't for the fact that this would make the Gallogi not very specialized anymore... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7634	Posted - 2015.02.04 22:40:00 - [23] - Quote Didn't Medium Frames JUST get an EWAR buff? I was under the impression that Assaults and Logis just got a major buff to their ability to dampen and beat scans. I just, I don't understand what the problem is and what you want done with it. I can see maybe reducing the number of team shared scanners, but if you want to further buff Medium Frame EWAR you blatantly take that role from scouts. I get the frustration, but you have Complex Dampeners at your disposal if you really hate seeing the message that badly. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 528	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:43:00 - [24] - Quote hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches That is why you run as a duo. If there are cloak scouts on the enemy team, me and my logi both run needles. He dies, i destroy scout. I die, scout is left with 20 armor for logi to destroy. NK scouts are a different story...NK'ing takes skill and practice looking for PC corporation also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:) heavies looking for me
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2930	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:05:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It takes three scanners with a Gallogi to achieve permascans with flux scanners. "Technically." There needs to be like a 1-2 sec delay between bursts, but that's negligible. Oh, and you can still fit a third proto scanner if you really want, I typically have a Focused in case a scout wises up. (And the suit only costs 55-80k, not too bad) Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: And finally, it's only 90 degrees. Thanks for reminding me, in fact there actually is an amount of "spin-to-win" still functional, so the actual range is more like +180-¦. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If someone wants to go into a completely specialised role with a high degree of SP investment in that job and devote all their equipment to the task and play as a weak suit so they can do it, I don't mind being permascanned if I refuse to dampen properly and refuse to come in from any direction other than a completely obvious one, especially seeing as my assault is vastly tougher and harder hitting than them. And yet when I run a ~300-450hp PROTO Cal scout dedicated to scanning (using 2-4 of my MAXIMUM 6 available slots for ewar mods) and costs over 5mil SP of an investment, everyone loses their sh*t and some how that's OP. Having severely lacking scans compared to the above and only sharing those scans with squad mates in the vicinity is some how abhorrent enough to essential wipe it from use, while this is praised as "good tactics, emergent gameplayGäó, etc." I'm just asking you guys have a little perspective and consistency with your arguments. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Varoth Drac State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:08:00 - [26] - Quote Assaults can dampen below Gal logi scans with three dampeners, unless they are using focused scanners, but nobody uses those as they are terrible. If you want to avoid scans fit damps.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6007	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:13:00 - [27] - Quote Mediums can already dodge STD scans without any SP invested... Use dampeners?
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 620	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:27:00 - [28] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts. Or 75/11 as I had the pleasure to watch a Third Rock member go with a scout and REs only 36 hours ago.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 383	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:31:00 - [29] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: hold that wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: punksnowmash wrote: One word. Dampeners. Pro tip, only scouts can avoid all scans. Like I said in the OP, everyone else can be permascanned, and it makes for boring matches. yeah man squads of cloaked sg re scouts going 40-8 make for exciting matches If you're being sarcastic, Im not sure why, since the gist of my post is that it results in boring gameplay and isnt very fun for anyone but scouts. Or 75/11 as I had the pleasure to watch a Third Rock member go with a scout using REs only - a mere 36 hours ago. Just because saxon is in my corporation doesnt mean I like playing the stereotypical remote chucking shotgun ****.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1243	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:32:00 - [30] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Is there any chance we can work out a way to prevent every suit that isnt a scout from being subjected to permascans in any game where some ** eating chode decides that instead of playing the game he'd rather sit at a supply depot abusing the ** out of scanners all game, or some guy who likes to run 4 scanners on his logi? Maybe make it so depots dont reset scanner cooldowns? Maybe add in scan immunity after being scanned where you are scan immune for X seconds after being hit by an active scanner? I like my frames how I like my women. Damp, silent, fast, and scrubby. Too much info? Or just right? "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."



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