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Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:11:00 - [1] - Quote Kill 20 proto suits, but you come in 4th on the list? Enjoy your 180k Fix this, you should get a cut of what you kill, not this "spread it all out amongst all the payers, but the top 3 get all of your kill money"
Clone D 1469	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:12:00 - [2] - Quote C'est la vie
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 477	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:12:00 - [3] - Quote This should never happen, and has never happened to me. looking for PC corporation also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:) heavies looking for me
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition Red Whines. 218	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:14:00 - [4] - Quote Big miku wrote: Kill 20 proto suits, but you come in 4th on the list? Enjoy your 180k Fix this, you should get a cut of what you kill, not this "spread it all out amongst all the payers, but the top 3 get all of your kill money" In Rattati's board there's something interesting about payouts. It says u earn the amount of isk that u destroyed. (Plz correct me if I'm wrong) in my opinion is pretty good and fair. Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2919	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:14:00 - [5] - Quote The guys that beat you either killed more proto suits than you, PTFO'd, or were the guys healing you. In any case, they arguably did more for the team. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:16:00 - [6] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: In Rattati's board there's something interesting about payouts. It says u earn the amount of isk that u destroyed. (Plz correct me if I'm wrong) in my opinion is pretty good and fair. If this was true, then Pure logis would have no isk.
Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:17:00 - [7] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The guys that beat you either killed more proto suits than you, PTFO'd, or were the guys healing you. In any case, they arguably did more for the team. I don't care about "who did the most for the team" I agree logis deserve to be payed, but when you pop 3 or 4 tanks in a match, but come in 6th and you get payed jack **** for your kills. That ain't right.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 477	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:22:00 - [8] - Quote What isn't right is how logi's get 500k payouts and all they do is follow you around with a rep tool. I go 30/0 and get 301k ISK. I do the work, the slaying and tell my logi when to retreat and when to advance. All he does is follow me. THAT isn't right looking for PC corporation also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:) heavies looking for me
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:24:00 - [9] - Quote Now how do you figure you get a portion of the isk someone used on the suit? Do they drop their wallet on their clone? When you go into a battle, the contracting company is displayed, it's implied that they are paying you to win the battle. You get paid to your contribution on the battlefield, just killing people in proto suits do not win the battle. It's based on team support, calculated Via WP. This should encourage you to not just slay, but to hack points and installations, guard points, supply and assist your team, and disrupt the enemy by destroying vehicles and other such things. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10961	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:26:00 - [10] - Quote Big miku wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The guys that beat you either killed more proto suits than you, PTFO'd, or were the guys healing you. In any case, they arguably did more for the team. I don't care about "who did the most for the team" I agree logis deserve to be payed, but when you pop 3 or 4 tanks in a match, but come in 6th and you get payed jack **** for your kills. That ain't right. What does that say about those who were the top 5? Anyways, I see your point. My theory is that the fittings used by the players you killed had lol fits that diminished their overall value. Although I think either warlord 1.0 or 1.1 might address the payout. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:27:00 - [11] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Now how do you figure you get a portion of the isk someone used on the suit? Do they drop their wallet on their clone? Yes, why do you think payouts in PC are so High? There is a value to all suits killed and it is added and divided amongst your team. More dead suits is more ISK.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 780	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:32:00 - [12] - Quote You can even destroy 5 proto fitted tanks. But it doesn't matter. All that matter is : your place and wp. That's fked up but atleast they're changing PC payouts. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4552	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:35:00 - [13] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The guys that beat you either killed more proto suits than you, PTFO'd, or were the guys healing you. In any case, they arguably did more for the team. Blows up 6 tanks, gets less ISK than the mlt rep spam Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 74	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:36:00 - [14] - Quote You know, if those pesky Logis and other guys with equipment weren't doing whatever they did to earn their isk, you probably wouldn't get the chance to kill your 20 protovictims.
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition Red Whines. 218	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:36:00 - [15] - Quote Big miku wrote: Alex-ZX wrote: In Rattati's board there's something interesting about payouts. It says u earn the amount of isk that u destroyed. (Plz correct me if I'm wrong) in my opinion is pretty good and fair. If this was true, then Pure logis would have no isk. In logis the best way would be based in wp. And somethings like reviving, throwing Nanos and links.. That just as an idea to the logis. And a minimum base payout for new players, in case they don't even get a kill. Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
DRT 99 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 41	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:42:00 - [16] - Quote xavier zor wrote: What isn't right is how logi's get 500k payouts and all they do is follow you around with a rep tool. I go 30/0 and get 301k ISK. I do the work, the slaying and tell my logi when to retreat and when to advance. All he does is follow me. THAT isn't right Why do you think you went 30 / 0 if not for the logis? Also, not all logis are content to follow around a heavy. Some of us aspire to more than simple minded chubby chasing.
Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:43:00 - [17] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: In logis the best way would be based in wp. And somethings like reviving, throwing Nanos and links.. That just as an idea to the logis. And a minimum base payout for new players, in case they don't even get a kill. Speaking on base payout, then it would be BETTER for new players, if they get lucky and land the kill shot on that proto suit, then bam, they get a nice isk payout. I'm not saying give a 1:1 pay out, but you should get payed for your kills, just like a logi gets payed for his links and reps. There is literally nothing wrong with getting payed for your kills.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:45:00 - [18] - Quote Big miku wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Now how do you figure you get a portion of the isk someone used on the suit? Do they drop their wallet on their clone? Yes, why do you think payouts in PC are so High? There is a value to all suits killed and it is added and divided amongst your team. More dead suits is more ISK. So, when someone attacks you, does not show up... and you and who ever else are in there wins getting a bunch of isk... where did it come from? G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:46:00 - [19] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: So, when someone attacks you, does not show up... and you and who ever else are in there wins getting a bunch of isk... where did it come from? Clones Do you even PC?
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 478	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:47:00 - [20] - Quote DRT 99 wrote: xavier zor wrote: What isn't right is how logi's get 500k payouts and all they do is follow you around with a rep tool. I go 30/0 and get 301k ISK. I do the work, the slaying and tell my logi when to retreat and when to advance. All he does is follow me. THAT isn't right Why do you think you went 30 / 0 if not for the logis? Also, not all logis are content to follow around a heavy. Some of us aspire to more than simple minded chubby chasing. I would have not went 30/0, but lower because i would have used a suit with armor reps. My point is logi's are rewarded for showing no skill other than following his slayer around holding R1. looking for PC corporation also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:) heavies looking for me
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:51:00 - [21] - Quote Big miku wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: So, when someone attacks you, does not show up... and you and who ever else are in there wins getting a bunch of isk... where did it come from? Clones Do you even PC? Did you just ignore your previous post to try to question that? "Yes, why do you think payouts in PC are so High? There is a value to all suits killed and it is added and divided amongst your team. More dead suits is more ISK." Suits, I believe is your word, not clones. The value of suits being your point, not the value of a clone. Had you said more clones killed I could agree, as a contract upon enemy heads would be more sensible of an argument to make. Not to mention if your on a full team in a PC the general payout it always around 2mil. It's fairly consistent, I know that because I have been in a lot of PC's during my time paying dust, do you even PC? G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:55:00 - [22] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Not to mention if your on a full team in a PC the general payout it always around 2mil. It's fairly consistent, I know that because I have been in a lot of PC's during my time paying dust, do you even PC? Point still stands, more dead suits gives a higher payout, that pay should go to those who earned it.
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 381	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:04:00 - [23] - Quote Its Bullsh!t I want more isk payouts Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 478	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:05:00 - [24] - Quote Union118 wrote: Its Bullsh!t I want more isk payouts join a stomp-bush corp 1 U.P T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K Capital Aqcuisitions 0uter.Heaven Carne Con Papas (lol) looking for PC corporation also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:) heavies looking for me
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:08:00 - [25] - Quote Big miku wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Not to mention if your on a full team in a PC the general payout it always around 2mil. It's fairly consistent, I know that because I have been in a lot of PC's during my time paying dust, do you even PC? Point still stands, more dead suits gives a higher payout, that pay should go to those who earned it. They why do logi's generally get more pay, high WP with little to no kills? G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 699	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:11:00 - [26] - Quote xavier zor wrote: DRT 99 wrote: xavier zor wrote: What isn't right is how logi's get 500k payouts and all they do is follow you around with a rep tool. I go 30/0 and get 301k ISK. I do the work, the slaying and tell my logi when to retreat and when to advance. All he does is follow me. THAT isn't right Why do you think you went 30 / 0 if not for the logis? Also, not all logis are content to follow around a heavy. Some of us aspire to more than simple minded chubby chasing. I would have not went 30/0, but lower because i would have used a suit with armor reps. My point is logi's are rewarded for showing no skill other than following his slayer around holding R1. As much as I dislike the easy spam of rep-tools, you forget the other useful things a logi does. Against people who know what they're doing, the Logi will be the first target. If they don't stop the reps, the slayer isn't going to die. This distractions both helps the slayer & causes the logi to try and position to stay alive, without just running with their tail between their legs and letting the slayer get whooped. Reviving dead team-mates saves the team clones and requires a lot more planning than using a rep-tool... Also saves slayer some isk. Without the logi's ammo drops and spawn points, your team is going to have to run back and forth between CRUs and Depos when spawning or needing ammo, which leads to the team falling behind, which leads to you getting no help with those 30 kills.
Big miku Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:11:00 - [27] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: why do logi's generally get more pay, high WP with little to no kills? Because that is the way it is, this thread is about how you should get payed for what you kill.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:04:00 - [28] - Quote Big miku wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: why do logi's generally get more pay, high WP with little to no kills? Because that is the way it is, this thread is about how you should get payed for what you kill. That;s kind of my point, the whole premise is based on pay out for kills, it wouldn't make sense for anyone with a logistics role to get much money, though they usually make the most. Since they get the most money and no kills, it wouldn't make sense to say you get paid more for killing a proto suit. Or at least enough for it to make a large enough difference to expect to kill 20 guys in proto and get a fat wad of cash. Really if you "Get paid for what you kill", then there wouldn't be any point for me to do anything then just run around and get kills, it would render the having null cannons and an MCC pointless. The only time what you say would, or should, apply would be in an Ambush match. Even then, it would basically make being a logi pointless as you would get paid scraps. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 1876	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:21:00 - [29] - Quote Big miku wrote: Alex-ZX wrote: In Rattati's board there's something interesting about payouts. It says u earn the amount of isk that u destroyed. (Plz correct me if I'm wrong) in my opinion is pretty good and fair. If this was true, then Pure logis would have no isk. I believe that was in regards to Salvage. You get what you destroy. In regards to ISK, that might still be related to WP. Otherwise, Logis would become broke really fast in PCs. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1388	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:24:00 - [30] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: Big miku wrote: Kill 20 proto suits, but you come in 4th on the list? Enjoy your 180k Fix this, you should get a cut of what you kill, not this "spread it all out amongst all the payers, but the top 3 get all of your kill money" In Rattati's board there's something interesting about payouts. It says u earn the amount of isk that u destroyed. (Plz correct me if I'm wrong) in my opinion is pretty good and fair. Sigh I didn't think you ******* in GD deserved it, but I guess here you go I'm the Rayman of uplinks. 21 day EVE trial.
bathtubist Horizons' Edge 21	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:32:00 - [31] - Quote Big miku wrote: Kill 20 proto suits, but you come in 4th on the list? Enjoy your 180k Fix this, you should get a cut of what you kill, not this "spread it all out amongst all the payers, but the top 3 get all of your kill money" Heal your blueberrys and squadmates destroy equipment and drop links more to the payout than just killing the team
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 612	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:32:00 - [32] - Quote I agree with the OP. As it stands, the VAST MAJORITY of ISK gained in a match is based on WP. Some jobs are low WP. Hell, when I'm in my Cal Sent and defending an obj -- see 6-8 guys the whole match -- guess what my payout is <.< Being a team player doesn't get ya paid unless you are spamming uplinks or whoring the reptool. The other battlefield roles need better SP rewards.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 326	Posted - 2015.02.03 07:25:00 - [33] - Quote To talk like a real New Eden player: Dont complain, adapt! Do it like everyone else and dont even try, drop 3 uplinks, then go sniping. Yeah, playing ISK-efficient feels like **, doesnt it?! I am beyond that, I go waste my protos till I'm broke. ** ISK efficiency, go fun! The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7087	Posted - 2015.02.03 07:31:00 - [34] - Quote the pay out system is unfair CCP Rouge is in there standing at the concession plotting his oppression F*ck these civil discussion, get the pickets signs lets start protesting... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 142	Posted - 2015.02.03 07:38:00 - [35] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: Big miku wrote: Kill 20 proto suits, but you come in 4th on the list? Enjoy your 180k Fix this, you should get a cut of what you kill, not this "spread it all out amongst all the payers, but the top 3 get all of your kill money" In Rattati's board there's something interesting about payouts. It says u earn the amount of isk that u destroyed. (Plz correct me if I'm wrong) in my opinion is pretty good and fair. I have trouble believing that to be true. If I play a match and take out 25 people and place first on my team, assuming the 25 clones I took out cost an unbelievably cheap 25,000 ISK, I will come no where close to earning 600,000+ ISK in that match.
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 383	Posted - 2015.02.03 08:36:00 - [36] - Quote Big miku wrote: Kill 20 proto suits, but you come in 4th on the list? Enjoy your 180k Fix this, you should get a cut of what you kill, not this "spread it all out amongst all the payers, but the top 3 get all of your kill money" i have been saying for a while - my veiw was 30% of what you kill goes to you and 70% to the kitty. that should include vehicle kills.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 798	Posted - 2015.02.03 09:30:00 - [37] - Quote wp gets u the most isk and sp. and i know for a fact you didnt kill 20 protos. i can kill 30 adv suits and make 500k in a pub. dust is a lot of things, good and bad. but one thing about it is its consistent. if u killed 20 proto suits thats all u did and nothing else, and chances are those suits were fit with lower tier modules. LogicGäó
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 280	Posted - 2015.02.03 09:55:00 - [38] - Quote Big miku wrote: Kill 20 proto suits, but you come in 4th on the list? Enjoy your 180k Fix this, you should get a cut of what you kill, not this "spread it all out amongst all the payers, but the top 3 get all of your kill money" We all want more money. And bear in mind that plenty of losing teams have mercs with 20/0 on their side. At the end of the day - Winning is more important than your personal stats. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
norttheantiv The Rainbow Effect 123	Posted - 2015.02.03 10:17:00 - [39] - Quote I am hoping that the pay will be adjusted to reflect the ISK destroyed by individuals rather than being so based on an arbitrary division of the full amount among 16. As someone who regularly goes on the hunt for 'that redline gunlogi', I think that the time that this takes should be rewarded. Logi's should be slaying at an only slightly reduced level to the other suits so I don't really see the issue. Chubby chasers who go 0/9 with 2k WP and then complain about pay outs need to realise that logi's should not be going negative. Being a drain on your teams clones is not really acceptable in pubs ever. Pull out your gun and skill some rephives. They are far more useful in pubs. Winner EU Squad Cup Go Go Power Rangers!
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 781	Posted - 2015.02.03 10:19:00 - [40] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: As much as I dislike the easy spam of rep-tools, you forget the other useful things a logi does. Against people who know what they're doing, the Logi will be the first target. If they don't stop the reps, the slayer isn't going to die. This distractions both helps the slayer & causes the logi to try and position to stay alive, without just running with their tail between their legs and letting the slayer get whooped. Reviving dead team-mates saves the team clones and requires a lot more planning than using a rep-tool... Also saves slayer some isk. Without the logi's ammo drops and spawn points, your team is going to have to run back and forth between CRUs and Depos when spawning or needing ammo, which leads to the team falling behind, which leads to you getting no help with those 30 kills. Slayers don't need logis to slay. They rely on themselves. Don't forget that other suits have eqiupment slot[s] too. And if we're talking about pubs [cause thread is about pub payouts] then i got to say that scouts do provide better uplinks than logis. And when slayers use Allotek [R] hives or scanner then they really don't need much help. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 284	Posted - 2015.02.03 10:20:00 - [41] - Quote norttheantiv wrote: Chubby chasers who go 0/9 with 2k WP and then complain about pay outs need to realise that logi's should not be going negative. Being a drain on your teams clones is not really acceptable in pubs ever. Pull out your gun and skill some rephives. They are far more useful in pubs. chubby chasers... lolz GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1349	Posted - 2015.02.03 11:44:00 - [42] - Quote xavier zor wrote: DRT 99 wrote: xavier zor wrote: What isn't right is how logi's get 500k payouts and all they do is follow you around with a rep tool. I go 30/0 and get 301k ISK. I do the work, the slaying and tell my logi when to retreat and when to advance. All he does is follow me. THAT isn't right Why do you think you went 30 / 0 if not for the logis? Also, not all logis are content to follow around a heavy. Some of us aspire to more than simple minded chubby chasing. I would have not went 30/0, but lower because i would have used a suit with armor reps. My point is logi's are rewarded for showing no skill other than following his slayer around holding R1. Meh, when I logi I do it ALL, including slaying, so you speak for a few (nooby/lazy-farmer) logis. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164

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