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echo47 wrote:

Reign Omega wrote:

As a primary galogi I cant get behind this one. Scanning is only as useful as the people you're with. I don't agree with teamwide scans either, but squad scanning doesnt mean a thing to people who cant fight. I can scan all day long and if my unit is getting knocked about it doesnt mean a thing AND I don't get wp for it. Now this doesn't happen much in corp squads, o7, but I run solo and in mixed squads because I have limited playtime. It's simply another case of use the proper counter, either dampen up and scratch your hp, or tank up and group up for that redberry push in your direction. There's only one scanner in the game that is a surefire scan across the board, and it is such a costly fit I dont even bother with it.

That being said I still don't agree with teamwide scans.

BS. Scanning means everything to people who cant shoot. You don't have to have a fast reaction time as a squad or solo when the other team is lit up for the entire game. Spool up that RR and fire that hmg before the enemy even turns the corner. As soon as that up link is dropped we know where it is, destroy it.

Scanners do not need to be nerfed. Up links need to be unscannable. Squad commanders need a mind link to decrease scan profile of the squad. And Intel should only be relayed to squad members who are within 30 meters of the scanner. If this can't be done remove them all together.

Scanning does help people who can't shoot, but it's definitely not the deciding factor in a fight, my point being that just because I'm scanned or scanning doesnt mean I automatically clear the field of reds leading my team to glory. You'd be surprised how many people get beat up nice and normal even with me running proto scans (logi is the only suit I run proto on a regular basis. ) we still get shat on. Knowing where to shoot isn't helping them hit the target.

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Zindorak Nyain Chan 1678	Posted - 2015.01.27 02:24:00 - [61] - Quote o.0 Sax are you complaining about something?!?!?!? Thats a first lol Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 304	Posted - 2015.01.27 02:31:00 - [62] - Quote I think the thing we are missing here is that whether you are scanning or being scanned the game is not better because of it "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Everything Dies Same Dung Different Year 1220	Posted - 2015.01.27 02:32:00 - [63] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Killer's Coys wrote: saxonmish wrote: everything can be scanned by a gal logi and its stupid It's logical. A gallogi can scan almost everything. It can scan scouts if he's lvl 5 in the dropsuit skill and if he uses the focused scan. AND the focused can only scan 5sec (7.5s with gallogi) and you have to wait 40s (!) AND Caldari scout or gallente scout + 2 complex dampener + ishukone cloak can't ne scanned, even by the focused gallogi. A minma scout or Amarr scout + 3 dampener + ishukone cloak is the same. So, you can not to be scanned, but you have to fit correctly... Ho and, a gallogi + focused (48,000 isk by 1) has very low hp. For me it's not stupid at all. That's just logic. what if you're an assault or logistics suit? And by carrying more than one scanner the gallogi can have scans up basically permanently. Part of the problem is the bandwidth cost of equipment; I can use up all of my bandwidth by setting down two advanced uplinks and two proto ammo nanohives and have one equipment slot for a scanner/repper/injector (on my advanced suit.) Is there any point in waiting around for one of the nanohives to expire so I can replace it? Not really...so instead, I also have a healer suit with one scanner and one scanner suit if I'm close to a supply depot that has three scanners. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1601	Posted - 2015.01.27 02:40:00 - [64] - Quote saxonmish wrote: everything can be scanned by a gal logi and its stupid Saxonmish rage... This turns me on... The little rager inside of me tells me to go rage!! Fck these stpid as* Mother flippin Gallante Bih as Lois tht fking spa*MMM Ther fking 4 Scaners!! GRR*RRR!! Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
echo47 Sacrilege of Fatal Arms 276	Posted - 2015.01.27 02:42:00 - [65] - Quote Killer's Coys wrote: saxonmish wrote: everything can be scanned by a gal logi and its stupid It's logical. A gallogi can scan almost everything. It can scan scouts if he's lvl 5 in the dropsuit skill and if he uses the focused scan. AND the focused can only scan 5sec (7.5s with gallogi) and you have to wait 40s (!) AND Caldari scout or gallente scout + 2 complex dampener + ishukone cloak can't ne scanned, even by the focused gallogi. A minma scout or Amarr scout + 3 dampener + ishukone cloak is the same. So, you can not to be scanned, but you have to fit correctly... Ho and, a gallogi + focused (48,000 isk by 1) has very low hp. For me it's not stupid at all. That's just logic. How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
echo47 Sacrilege of Fatal Arms 277	Posted - 2015.01.27 02:57:00 - [66] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: As a primary galogi I cant get behind this one. Scanning is only as useful as the people you're with. I don't agree with teamwide scans either, but squad scanning doesnt mean a thing to people who cant fight. I can scan all day long and if my unit is getting knocked about it doesnt mean a thing AND I don't get wp for it. Now this doesn't happen much in corp squads, o7, but I run solo and in mixed squads because I have limited playtime. It's simply another case of use the proper counter, either dampen up and scratch your hp, or tank up and group up for that redberry push in your direction. There's only one scanner in the game that is a surefire scan across the board, and it is such a costly fit I dont even bother with it. That being said I still don't agree with teamwide scans. BS. Scanning means everything to people who cant shoot. You don't have to have a fast reaction time as a squad or solo when the other team is lit up for the entire game. Spool up that RR and fire that hmg before the enemy even turns the corner. As soon as that up link is dropped we know where it is, destroy it. Scanners do not need to be nerfed. Up links need to be unscannable. Squad commanders need a mind link to decrease scan profile of the squad. And Intel should only be relayed to squad members who are within 30 meters of the scanner. If this can't be done remove them all together. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1154	Posted - 2015.01.27 04:17:00 - [67] - Quote echo47 wrote: Reign Omega wrote: As a primary galogi I cant get behind this one. Scanning is only as useful as the people you're with. I don't agree with teamwide scans either, but squad scanning doesnt mean a thing to people who cant fight. I can scan all day long and if my unit is getting knocked about it doesnt mean a thing AND I don't get wp for it. Now this doesn't happen much in corp squads, o7, but I run solo and in mixed squads because I have limited playtime. It's simply another case of use the proper counter, either dampen up and scratch your hp, or tank up and group up for that redberry push in your direction. There's only one scanner in the game that is a surefire scan across the board, and it is such a costly fit I dont even bother with it. That being said I still don't agree with teamwide scans. BS. Scanning means everything to people who cant shoot. You don't have to have a fast reaction time as a squad or solo when the other team is lit up for the entire game. Spool up that RR and fire that hmg before the enemy even turns the corner. As soon as that up link is dropped we know where it is, destroy it. Scanners do not need to be nerfed. Up links need to be unscannable. Squad commanders need a mind link to decrease scan profile of the squad. And Intel should only be relayed to squad members who are within 30 meters of the scanner. If this can't be done remove them all together. Scanning does help people who can't shoot, but it's definitely not the deciding factor in a fight, my point being that just because I'm scanned or scanning doesnt mean I automatically clear the field of reds leading my team to glory. You'd be surprised how many people get beat up nice and normal even with me running proto scans (logi is the only suit I run proto on a regular basis. ) we still get shat on. Knowing where to shoot isn't helping them hit the target. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4834	Posted - 2015.01.27 04:27:00 - [68] - Quote echo47 wrote: How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? On an AK.0, you'll need 4 complex damps to get a profile of roughly 19db. This is enough to dodge all active scanners aside from the Duvolle Focused on a Gallogi. You'll also still be scannable by Amarr Scouts with Precision Enhancers. Other than that, you're good to go. You'll be able to work with: 3 high slots 1 low slot All PG
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1154	Posted - 2015.01.27 04:28:00 - [69] - Quote Also... a mind link breh? Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 306	Posted - 2015.01.27 04:41:00 - [70] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: echo47 wrote: How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? On an AK.0, you'll need 4 complex damps to get a profile of roughly 19db. This is enough to dodge all active scanners aside from the Duvolle Focused on a Gallogi. You'll also still be scannable by Amarr Scouts with Precision Enhancers. Other than that, you're good to go. You'll be able to work with: 3 high slots 1 low slot All PG Not gimped at all "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson

All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 137	Posted - 2015.01.27 04:44:00 - [71] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: echo47 wrote: How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? On an AK.0, you'll need 4 complex damps to get a profile of roughly 19db. This is enough to dodge all active scanners aside from the Duvolle Focused on a Gallogi. You'll also still be scannable by Amarr Scouts with Precision Enhancers. Other than that, you're good to go. You'll be able to work with: 3 high slots 1 low slot All PG Imagine the fittings you can make with 4 whole slots at your disposal Director / Slayer / Emperor
NINEinch WEAPON WarRavens Capital Punishment. 46	Posted - 2015.01.27 05:12:00 - [72] - Quote hmmm, now the only problem I see is sitting on a supply depot, have the 200m scan on a gal logi, scan switch to assault, switch back,scan again, negate the cooldowns and keep up permanent scan in multiple directions... Solution, make cooldowns on switching suits at depots. "winning" an inch at a time
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1154	Posted - 2015.01.27 05:31:00 - [73] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: echo47 wrote: How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? On an AK.0, you'll need 4 complex damps to get a profile of roughly 19db. This is enough to dodge all active scanners aside from the Duvolle Focused on a Gallogi. You'll also still be scannable by Amarr Scouts with Precision Enhancers. Other than that, you're good to go. You'll be able to work with: 3 high slots 1 low slot All PG This is factored in the assumption that all suits are supposed to be able to best a max scan AND still be viable for tanked out combat, this is not the case. You want to beat scans? Sacrifice hp. Simple. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 792	Posted - 2015.01.27 06:00:00 - [74] - Quote Team scans are here to stay. Got a problem with that? Then use profile dampeners and with that the problem is solved. Solo Gal. logis allways got shafted before teamscans got implemented. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
echo47 Sacrilege of Fatal Arms 277	Posted - 2015.01.27 07:26:00 - [75] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: echo47 wrote: How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? On an AK.0, you'll need 4 complex damps to get a profile of roughly 19db. This is enough to dodge all active scanners aside from the Duvolle Focused on a Gallogi. You'll also still be scannable by Amarr Scouts with Precision Enhancers. Other than that, you're good to go. You'll be able to work with: 3 high slots 1 low slot All PG This is factored in the assumption that all suits are supposed to be able to best a max scan AND still be viable for tanked out combat, this is not the case. You want to beat scans? Sacrifice hp. Simple. Those who scan can stack precision mods and range amplifiers but then they could not share intel with their entire team or get easy war points for the sqaud like getting war points is a difficult task. That is the logic behind active scanners. I have never understood why they are in the game. They kind of defeat the purpose of comms or being in a sqaud or the rest of the squad sacrificing damage or HP for advances Intel. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1155	Posted - 2015.01.27 07:29:00 - [76] - Quote They're in the game to counter scouts, without having an ewar circle jerk between one class. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 577	Posted - 2015.01.27 10:27:00 - [77] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: team scans need to be removed asap. Unless you're a gal or amarr scout you're ****** if even one guy on the other team is a gal logi. I was under the impression that CCP wanted to introduce team and squad scanners as separate pieces of equipment. If they do ever get around to that, then team scans should have a lower (as in worse) scanning precision than the squad-specific versions. Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression the Duvolle Focused Scanner was squad only? I.e we already have team and squad scanners.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4839	Posted - 2015.01.27 10:53:00 - [78] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: echo47 wrote: How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? On an AK.0, you'll need 4 complex damps to get a profile of roughly 19db. This is enough to dodge all active scanners aside from the Duvolle Focused on a Gallogi. You'll also still be scannable by Amarr Scouts with Precision Enhancers. Other than that, you're good to go. You'll be able to work with: 3 high slots 1 low slot All PG Not gimped at all Believe it or not, but even with 4 complex damps, you can still get/equip: 850 + eHP 5 hp/s armor rep Viziam ScR, TY-5 Breach Scrambler Pistol, Core Locus Grenades, any equipment of choice Sure you sacrifice HP, reps, and damage, but you can still make a relatively decent fit.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 705	Posted - 2015.01.27 11:50:00 - [79] - Quote So perma scans are stupid? Weren't you running around in a cal scout for ages sax?
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 88	Posted - 2015.01.27 12:15:00 - [80] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Killer's Coys wrote: saxonmish wrote: everything can be scanned by a gal logi and its stupid It's logical. A gallogi can scan almost everything. It can scan scouts if he's lvl 5 in the dropsuit skill and if he uses the focused scan. AND the focused can only scan 5sec (7.5s with gallogi) and you have to wait 40s (!) AND Caldari scout or gallente scout + 2 complex dampener + ishukone cloak can't ne scanned, even by the focused gallogi. A minma scout or Amarr scout + 3 dampener + ishukone cloak is the same. So, you can not to be scanned, but you have to fit correctly... Ho and, a gallogi + focused (48,000 isk by 1) has very low hp. For me it's not stupid at all. That's just logic. uh no its stupid. scans are so scrubby, ive never skilled into scans because i dont need them, how about this passive scans are shared with the team not the gallogi scans. scans take no skill. scrubby? says fotm chaser ;) cal scout with railrifle? you cant talk hahaa;) What's the story in balamory?

Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5679	Posted - 2015.01.27 12:21:00 - [81] - Quote >Sees scouts whining about scans >Laughs and leaves thread I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 582	Posted - 2015.01.27 12:50:00 - [82] - Quote Lmao why the thread sax ? Scans are so easy to counter especially for a guy with your lifetime SP. Where is the problem that your enemies are stronger and more organized. Scans are especially good for point defense , organizing the squad to prepare for a wave of enemies. Fit your dampeners and stop QQ'ing MY DUST 514 VIDEOS Founder of BEAST HEADQUARTERS
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 204	Posted - 2015.01.27 12:55:00 - [83] - Quote I too think that scans are a pain in the arse. If I was a dev that feature would've been deleted a long time ago (both active and passive scans). The only guys that should light up 100% of the time are heavies but that's just my opinion. Now, we have to play with what we have. And considering that I think that it's absolutely normal that a lvl 5 galLogi with a lvl 5 LP scanner can see everybody on the map (according to the game's logic). You can't say something's OP based on the most specialized suit with all skils and equipments maxed. It is not a good way to demonstrate anything^^ Again, it's to me the whole concept that should be deleted, getting scanned permanently because I'm not a scout is horrible, it breaks the gameplay, and strategy. But according to how CCP wants it to work, it not that bad (damp any medium/light suit a bit and you'll be able to pass under an adv scanner not wielded by a galLogi, or go full damp and avoid -almost- everything). Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Mex-0 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2015.01.27 15:03:00 - [84] - Quote I do the stupidest things while scanned, like charging straight at 3 sentinels... I do things that I wouldn't do while not scanned. Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ How do ya like my knives on my minassault? Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1824	Posted - 2015.01.27 17:21:00 - [85] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: Where is the problem that your enemies are stronger and more organized. Joel II X and I were the opposition, Joel being the scanner. So thank you Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis is [always] right - Kaze Eyrou
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5751	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:16:00 - [86] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: team scans need to be removed asap. Unless you're a gal or amarr scout you're ****** if even one guy on the other team is a gal logi. I agree. As for Sax, use a Gal Scout? I could only scan you with the Duvolle Focused. There are about 5 users who are dedicated to scanning scouts, so why complain when you're facing two of them in a match? It's like complaining about scouts back in 1.4 or something. That said, I agree that scanners need a fix and removal of team scans. Until then, I'll just keep using them.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 137	Posted - 2015.01.27 20:12:00 - [87] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: echo47 wrote: How many dampners do I have to fit on an amar assault to beat a proto scanner? On an AK.0, you'll need 4 complex damps to get a profile of roughly 19db. This is enough to dodge all active scanners aside from the Duvolle Focused on a Gallogi. You'll also still be scannable by Amarr Scouts with Precision Enhancers. Other than that, you're good to go. You'll be able to work with: 3 high slots 1 low slot All PG Not gimped at all Believe it or not, but even with 4 complex damps, you can still get/equip: 850 + eHP 5 hp/s armor rep Viziam ScR, TY-5 Breach Scrambler Pistol, Core Locus Grenades, any equipment of choice Sure you sacrifice HP, reps, and damage, but you can still make a relatively decent fit. What ever disgusting fit you just created sounds like its main purpose is to lose gun fights . Director / Slayer / Emperor
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 669	Posted - 2015.01.27 20:31:00 - [88] - Quote Woe to those who attempt to use ewar! Any side of the scan/damp coin you choose is wrong. Place no faith in the red dots on tacnet, even less faith on the blue ones. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?


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