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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:43:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Bethhy wrote:Sentinels are OP at their Role?
Working as intended...
Logi's are OP at their role
Scouts are OP at their role..
Assaults are OP at their role..
Commandoes - we warned CCP that they would have the hardest time finding a role for this suit and then balancing it.
You get a sentinel out to a field and they are useless...
You can have more health and do more damage with any suit except the logi.
You scan out a scout with a gal logi and they are squishy and useless...
You can try to get an assault to push an objective defended by sentinels and are largely easy pickins...
Commandoes die anywhere except in toe to toe fights with some distance.
Sentinels are strong at their role but are near useless on any map without closed internal structures..
Nerfing something because it is too good at it's role is about as stupid as these forums get.
I did a huge mathematical demonstration of how OP Sentinels are. unfortunately it was too long to read. There are two reasons: there's no real counter to a sentinel except another sentinel (in other words it's more like a rock, paper, scissor, shotgun) Sentinels + Heavies are the only classes which can equip the best mid/close range weapon. Hence in competitive matches you'll only see sentinels + logi on cqc points and scouts + vehicles on the other points. In my opinion, there should be an anti-heavy class (which, i think should be the commando but it actually doesn't its job well) (Logi) Commando>Heavy>Assault>Scout>Commando would make sense to me... No counter?
Remove RE's from the game - they literally make heavies pointless. Then you can say we have no counter, lol.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
14645
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:44:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Bethhy wrote:Sentinels are OP at their Role?
Working as intended...
Logi's are OP at their role
Scouts are OP at their role..
Assaults are OP at their role..
Commandoes - we warned CCP that they would have the hardest time finding a role for this suit and then balancing it.
You get a sentinel out to a field and they are useless...
You can have more health and do more damage with any suit except the logi.
You scan out a scout with a gal logi and they are squishy and useless...
You can try to get an assault to push an objective defended by sentinels and are largely easy pickins...
Commandoes die anywhere except in toe to toe fights with some distance.
Sentinels are strong at their role but are near useless on any map without closed internal structures..
Nerfing something because it is too good at it's role is about as stupid as these forums get.
I did a huge mathematical demonstration of how OP Sentinels are. unfortunately it was too long to read. There are two reasons: there's no real counter to a sentinel except another sentinel (in other words it's more like a rock, paper, scissor, shotgun) Sentinels + Heavies are the only classes which can equip the best mid/close range weapon. Hence in competitive matches you'll only see sentinels + logi on cqc points and scouts + vehicles on the other points. In my opinion, there should be an anti-heavy class (which, i think should be the commando but it actually doesn't its job well) (Logi) Commando>Heavy>Assault>Scout>Commando would make sense to me... No counter? Remove RE's from the game - they literally make heavies pointless. Then you can say we have no counter, lol. That's utter bullshit and you know it Sota
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1401
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:50:00 -
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REs are a counter to anything in the game.. So. I agree with you on this, remote them from the game or change them.
Do you really think that saying fcking, calling me an idiot or a blueberry, telling me to git gud prove you are right?
If you cant see that Sentinels and scouts have dominated PC since 1.8,and that assaults are barely used in PC you are either blind, stupid or lying.
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
419
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:52:00 -
[34] - Quote
SoTa PoP wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Bethhy wrote:Sentinels are OP at their Role?
Working as intended...
Logi's are OP at their role
Scouts are OP at their role..
Assaults are OP at their role..
Commandoes - we warned CCP that they would have the hardest time finding a role for this suit and then balancing it.
You get a sentinel out to a field and they are useless...
You can have more health and do more damage with any suit except the logi.
You scan out a scout with a gal logi and they are squishy and useless...
You can try to get an assault to push an objective defended by sentinels and are largely easy pickins...
Commandoes die anywhere except in toe to toe fights with some distance.
Sentinels are strong at their role but are near useless on any map without closed internal structures..
Nerfing something because it is too good at it's role is about as stupid as these forums get.
I did a huge mathematical demonstration of how OP Sentinels are. unfortunately it was too long to read. There are two reasons: there's no real counter to a sentinel except another sentinel (in other words it's more like a rock, paper, scissor, shotgun) Sentinels + Heavies are the only classes which can equip the best mid/close range weapon. Hence in competitive matches you'll only see sentinels + logi on cqc points and scouts + vehicles on the other points. In my opinion, there should be an anti-heavy class (which, i think should be the commando but it actually doesn't its job well) (Logi) Commando>Heavy>Assault>Scout>Commando would make sense to me... No counter? Remove RE's from the game - they literally make heavies pointless. Then you can say we have no counter, lol.
Well I both agree and disagree:
in a "just for fun" match, yes, remotes are the real counter. But remotes (as many scouts) are clearly visible by the parasite every sentinel has behind him.
Ei fu,
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6046
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:54:00 -
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Bethhy wrote: Nerfing something because it is too good at it's role is about as stupid as these forums get.
I seem to recall similar sentiment from folks defending the 3x Maddies of 1.7.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
1429
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:56:00 -
[36] - Quote
Seems like OP doesn't understand the role of the character he is playing.
In PC you are already more than likely going against some of the best in the game. Add that you don't understand the role that you chose to play and you have a recipe for disaster.
Seems that you want an assault to do what the Sentinel is doing. Not going to happen bud. Either accept your roles as Sota stated what they were and he was being brutally honest or respec into a heavy role and really see how limited they can be. Unless of course you use your imagination and try different fits and get the lulz from it.
Do you even /b/ bro?
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance
351
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:58:00 -
[37] - Quote
Pagl1u M wrote:They are stupidly OP, every idiot can kill in a suit with double hps and double dps. They have been stupidly OP since 1.8 it is time to balance them.
They fact that they ve been so op for so long makes me think that you never ever play your own game, or at least that no one in CCP or the CPM plays PC!
So what your saying is that you can't hit a slow moving...barn???
I'm a try-hard, because half my team sits in the MCC.
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1403
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:03:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Seems like OP doesn't understand the role of the character he is playing.
In PC you are already more than likely going against some of the best in the game. Add that you don't understand the role that you chose to play and you have a recipe for disaster.
Seems that you want an assault to do what the Sentinel is doing. Not going to happen bud. Either accept your roles as Sota stated what they were and he was being brutally honest or respec into a heavy role and really see how limited they can be. Unless of course you use your imagination and try different fits and get the lulz from it. No, I want the Assault to assault, the sentinel to... Sentinel. How it is now the sentinel defends and assaults and the Assault (as sota said) can escape and Camp roofs, but since you are so Wise, tell me what is the role of the Assault and what I am misunderstanding..
Big Burns wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:They are stupidly OP, every idiot can kill in a suit with double hps and double dps. They have been stupidly OP since 1.8 it is time to balance them.
They fact that they ve been so op for so long makes me think that you never ever play your own game, or at least that no one in CCP or the CPM plays PC! So what your saying is that you can't hit a slow moving...barn??? I can hit him... The problem is he has 2x the hps and 2x the dps I have. Even if I hit him with 100% of the bullets and he hit me with only 33% of the bullets he will still win... Seems legit.
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6047
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:04:00 -
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@ Everyone Defending Heavies
You guys know you have it too easy. At any point in Dust's history has the HMG ever required less skill or effort?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1403
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:06:00 -
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Pagl1u M wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Seems like OP doesn't understand the role of the character he is playing.
In PC you are already more than likely going against some of the best in the game. Add that you don't understand the role that you chose to play and you have a recipe for disaster.
Seems that you want an assault to do what the Sentinel is doing. Not going to happen bud. Either accept your roles as Sota stated what they were and he was being brutally honest or respec into a heavy role and really see how limited they can be. Unless of course you use your imagination and try different fits and get the lulz from it. No, I want the Assault to assault, the sentinel to... Sentinel. How it is now the sentinel defends and assaults and the Assault (as sota said) can escape and Camp roofs, but since you are so Wise, tell me what is the role of the Assault and what I am misunderstanding.. Big Burns wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:They are stupidly OP, every idiot can kill in a suit with double hps and double dps. They have been stupidly OP since 1.8 it is time to balance them.
They fact that they ve been so op for so long makes me think that you never ever play your own game, or at least that no one in CCP or the CPM plays PC! So what your saying is that you can't hit a slow moving...barn??? I can hit him... The problem is he has 2x the hps and 2x the dps I have. Even if I hit him with 100% of the bullets and he hit me with only 33% of the bullets he will still win... Seems legit. Ups I almost forgot resistancies. Lol
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
1429
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:11:00 -
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Pagl1u M wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Seems like OP doesn't understand the role of the character he is playing.
In PC you are already more than likely going against some of the best in the game. Add that you don't understand the role that you chose to play and you have a recipe for disaster.
Seems that you want an assault to do what the Sentinel is doing. Not going to happen bud. Either accept your roles as Sota stated what they were and he was being brutally honest or respec into a heavy role and really see how limited they can be. Unless of course you use your imagination and try different fits and get the lulz from it. No, I want the Assault to assault, the sentinel to... Sentinel. How it is now the sentinel defends and assaults and the Assault (as sota said) can escape and Camp roofs, but since you are so Wise, tell me what is the role of the Assault and what I am misunderstanding.. Big Burns wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:They are stupidly OP, every idiot can kill in a suit with double hps and double dps. They have been stupidly OP since 1.8 it is time to balance them.
They fact that they ve been so op for so long makes me think that you never ever play your own game, or at least that no one in CCP or the CPM plays PC! So what your saying is that you can't hit a slow moving...barn??? I can hit him... The problem is he has 2x the hps and 2x the dps I have. Even if I hit him with 100% of the bullets and he hit me with only 33% of the bullets he will still win... Seems legit.
When you say you want the Sentinel to Sentinel, you want it to just be able to sit there like a turret spinning in place, correct? You could hit it then.
According to this, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sentinel what I say above is EXACTLY what you want.
Sota gave you the blue print for playing with the Assault character. Because it SAYS assault doesn't mean it should be used as a head-on vessel. Use it wisely and it is an awesome killing machine.
Look dude. Don't try and take one head-on or by yourself. I've ran hmg/forge since the day I logged on to this game. They are very weak and hard to play with. Very limited in what they can do and without city maps, basically useless in this game aside from AV.
We couldn't nuke russia, everytime we got close enough to send one - there subs got in the way- Sota Pop Jan 2015
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1404
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:30:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Seems like OP doesn't understand the role of the character he is playing.
In PC you are already more than likely going against some of the best in the game. Add that you don't understand the role that you chose to play and you have a recipe for disaster.
Seems that you want an assault to do what the Sentinel is doing. Not going to happen bud. Either accept your roles as Sota stated what they were and he was being brutally honest or respec into a heavy role and really see how limited they can be. Unless of course you use your imagination and try different fits and get the lulz from it. No, I want the Assault to assault, the sentinel to... Sentinel. How it is now the sentinel defends and assaults and the Assault (as sota said) can escape and Camp roofs, but since you are so Wise, tell me what is the role of the Assault and what I am misunderstanding.. Big Burns wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:They are stupidly OP, every idiot can kill in a suit with double hps and double dps. They have been stupidly OP since 1.8 it is time to balance them.
They fact that they ve been so op for so long makes me think that you never ever play your own game, or at least that no one in CCP or the CPM plays PC! So what your saying is that you can't hit a slow moving...barn??? I can hit him... The problem is he has 2x the hps and 2x the dps I have. Even if I hit him with 100% of the bullets and he hit me with only 33% of the bullets he will still win... Seems legit. When you say you want the Sentinel to Sentinel, you want it to just be able to sit there like a turret spinning in place, correct? You could hit it then. According to this, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sentinel what I say above is EXACTLY what you want. Sota gave you the blue print for playing with the Assault character. Because it SAYS assault doesn't mean it should be used as a head-on vessel. Use it wisely and it is an awesome killing machine. Look dude. Don't try and take one head-on or by yourself. I've ran hmg/forge since the day I logged on to this game. They are very weak and hard to play with. Very limited in what they can do and without city maps, basically useless in this game aside from AV. Sota said to gtfo the city or Camp roofs, it this really what I should do as an assault? Wow.
"a soldier stationed as a guard to challenge all comers and prevent a surprise attack" sentinels are the first weapon to attack points in the city, is this their intended role?
I m not saying I should win every fight against a sentinel in cqc, I m saying that if I outplay him I should have a good chance of winning. As it is now, if a sentinel and an assault have the same amount of personal skill the sentinel will always easily win, unless there are 45+ mtrs between them or the assaults are 2v1
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
1679
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:37:00 -
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I OHKO sentinels all the time with may PLC.
Buff heavies pleez, Nerf PLC!
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION
1147
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:44:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote: Honestly, man, I'd rather just call you an idiot and move on at this point, which was going to be my last post, but I'll make it this one instead.
Because you crying about what assaults are capable of is laughable - because I didn't choose heavy to act like a ******* mobile turret. Dust was supposed to allow complete customization of our perfect soldier - but we can see how much BS that is. If a heavy even trys to play as something other then point defense - you'll ******* cry your eyes out until CCP nerfs it rather then modifying your suits and play to handle the situation.
There's ******* modules on your suit for a ******* reason and a large array of different weapon choices for a ******* reason. Use it and shut the **** up.
I want to frame this and marry it
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
3229
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:50:00 -
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Pagl1u M wrote:REs are a counter to anything in the game.. So. I agree with you on this, remote them from the game or change them.
Do you really think that saying fcking, calling me an idiot or a blueberry, telling me to git gud prove you are right?
If you cant see that Sentinels and scouts have dominated PC since 1.8,and that assaults are barely used in PC you are either blind, stupid or lying.
The best slayers in the game use Assaults and have since Uprising launched... Have for years.
And let's be fair and blunt here... PC has spent more time dominated by Assault suits then anything...
Then would spend more time being dominated by Logi suits next... Then we can talk about Heavies and Scouts.
And back to the original statement... The best slayers still use assault suits in PC and make them effective... The Best Heavies in PC where Heavies LOOOONG before 1.6...
Most of the bitter rage about sentinel vs sentinel fights are players who are trying to run them against veteran sentinels who have been through years of the class in experience...
If your in a close range map with letters in close proximity.. and you can't put some range between you and a sentinel? You will die.
If sentinel's try and push a letter and you take out their spawn capabilities and logistic support... What will they do? Run around a slow bull all mad? Try and hack a letter and put their back to us?
Heavies pushing objectives successfully completely require proper support tactics behind them in PC... If they are not in place it becomes a Public match attempt at creating a meat grinder scenario.... This tactic often doesn't play out in PC unless you have two sides with amazing support...
Otherwise one sides support wins and one side get's wiped... Then your forced to reset and push with dropships on to high points, clear their support and follow that pattern until you have removed enough of their support to take and hold an objective.
You are going at PC tactics from such a small picture when the large picture is staring at you in the face... Often the heroes of PC matches aren't the sentinel's with 35 kills and 4 deaths... It is the Scout and Assault's who have killed 60 Uplinks and 10 logi's.
Map's that don't have objectives in close proximity are quickly paid millions and millions of ISK and transferred over to run certain strategies and tactics....
Run a different map with your corporation and build individual strategies for that map and get strong at that... Because corporations have the freedom to change maps and build their team and theory craft tactics around a very limited set of maps on purpose... If you want to compete with their preparation and practice then so be it.. But it will cost you as much if not mroe then what they spent.
Billions of ISK has been spent converting maps in PC.
If your trying to counter that by getting a sentinel suit and fighting toe to toe with another sentinel then explaining that this is how PC works...
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Stryker Syx Vector
D3ATH CARD RUST415
101
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Posted - 2015.01.25 21:06:00 -
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Pagl1u M wrote:Bethhy wrote:Sentinels are OP at their Role?
Working as intended...
Logi's are OP at their role
Scouts are OP at their role..
Assaults are OP at their role..
Commandoes - we warned CCP that they would have the hardest time finding a role for this suit and then balancing it.
You get a sentinel out to a field and they are useless...
You can have more health and do more damage with any suit except the logi.
You scan out a scout with a gal logi and they are squishy and useless...
You can try to get an assault to push an objective defended by sentinels and are largely easy pickins...
Commandoes die anywhere except in toe to toe fights with some distance.
Sentinels are strong at their role but are near useless on any map without closed internal structures..
Nerfing something because it is too good at it's role is about as stupid as these forums get.
I will answer to you cause this is the only answer that isnt completely ********. What is sentinels role? Defend points! Now I am sure none that answered so far have ever played a single PC match. Now how are sentinels used in PC? To defend points, yes, but they are the main force to attack too. Sentinels have been OP out of their role for way too long, assaults are almost never used to assault, it is sentinels role. Assaults are only useful when they support sentinel's attack. Go play a PC and use sentinels only to defend and assaults to attack points...
Get the **** out. Heavies do their job, don't try to take them one on one face to face within arms reach and maybe just maybe. You wouldn't come to the forums and whine like a little *****. I've done PC by the way and they do their job. And this is from a minmatar scout.
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1404
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Posted - 2015.01.25 21:24:00 -
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Stryker Syx Vector wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:Bethhy wrote:Sentinels are OP at their Role?
Working as intended...
Logi's are OP at their role
Scouts are OP at their role..
Assaults are OP at their role..
Commandoes - we warned CCP that they would have the hardest time finding a role for this suit and then balancing it.
You get a sentinel out to a field and they are useless...
You can have more health and do more damage with any suit except the logi.
You scan out a scout with a gal logi and they are squishy and useless...
You can try to get an assault to push an objective defended by sentinels and are largely easy pickins...
Commandoes die anywhere except in toe to toe fights with some distance.
Sentinels are strong at their role but are near useless on any map without closed internal structures..
Nerfing something because it is too good at it's role is about as stupid as these forums get.
I will answer to you cause this is the only answer that isnt completely ********. What is sentinels role? Defend points! Now I am sure none that answered so far have ever played a single PC match. Now how are sentinels used in PC? To defend points, yes, but they are the main force to attack too. Sentinels have been OP out of their role for way too long, assaults are almost never used to assault, it is sentinels role. Assaults are only useful when they support sentinel's attack. Go play a PC and use sentinels only to defend and assaults to attack points... Get the **** out. Heavies do their job, don't try to take them one on one face to face within arms reach and maybe just maybe. You wouldn't come to the forums and whine like a little *****. I've done PC by the way and they do their job. And this is from a minmatar scout. They DONT do their job, they do both their job... That is defending points, but they are also the main weapon to attack points in PC, which isnt their job.
Also there is a great difference between scouts and assaults when it comes to face sentinels.
How many pcs have you played? Two?
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
1432
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Posted - 2015.01.25 23:03:00 -
[48] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:Pagl1u M wrote:REs are a counter to anything in the game.. So. I agree with you on this, remote them from the game or change them.
Do you really think that saying fcking, calling me an idiot or a blueberry, telling me to git gud prove you are right?
If you cant see that Sentinels and scouts have dominated PC since 1.8,and that assaults are barely used in PC you are either blind, stupid or lying. The best slayers in the game use Assaults and have since Uprising launched... Have for years. And let's be fair and blunt here... PC has spent more time dominated by Assault suits then anything... Then would spend more time being dominated by Logi suits next... Then we can talk about Heavies and Scouts. And back to the original statement... The best slayers still use assault suits in PC and make them effective... The Best Heavies in PC where Heavies LOOOONG before 1.6... Most of the bitter rage about sentinel vs sentinel fights are players who are trying to run them against veteran sentinels who have been through years of the class in experience... If your in a close range map with letters in close proximity.. and you can't put some range between you and a sentinel? You will die.
If sentinel's try and push a letter and you take out their spawn capabilities and logistic support... What will they do? Run around a slow bull all mad? Try and hack a letter and put their back to us? Heavies pushing objectives successfully completely require proper support tactics behind them in PC... If they are not in place it becomes a Public match attempt at creating a meat grinder scenario.... This tactic often doesn't play out in PC unless you have two sides with amazing support... Otherwise one sides support wins and one side get's wiped... Then your forced to reset and push with dropships on to high points, clear their support and follow that pattern until you have removed enough of their support to take and hold an objective. You are going at PC tactics from such a small picture when the large picture is staring at you in the face... Often the heroes of PC matches aren't the sentinel's with 35 kills and 4 deaths... It is the Scout and Assault's who have killed 60 Uplinks and 10 logi's.
Map's that don't have objectives in close proximity are quickly paid millions and millions of ISK and transferred over to run certain strategies and tactics.... Run a different map with your corporation and build individual strategies for that map and get strong at that... Because corporations have the freedom to change maps and build their team and theory craft tactics around a very limited set of maps on purpose... If you want to compete with their preparation and practice then so be it.. But it will cost you as much if not mroe then what they spent. Billions of ISK has been spent converting maps in PC. If your trying to counter that by getting a sentinel suit and fighting toe to toe with another sentinel then explaining that this is how PC works... Your just screwing over yourself with your own limitations on thought.
Bethy, nicely written. You are very well spoken for a ni99er
We couldn't nuke russia, everytime we got close enough to send one - there subs got in the way- Sota Pop Jan 2015
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1592
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Posted - 2015.01.25 23:46:00 -
[49] - Quote
MYBALLS ON UrChin wrote:Jesus Holy fuking Christ man. Go grab a kleenex, midol, tampons. If you cant find a way to kill heavies then just quit playing.
You can outrange them rail rifles, drop RE's, shotgun them. Running a heavy is not easy mode.
Most of all,,,,please reach down a grab your balls and make sure they are still attached. Realize you are still a man and quit acting like a b!tch.
With all due respect of course....
MyBalls On Urchin
Our range them? Their HMG does 400 good DPS up to 40m.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
575
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Posted - 2015.01.25 23:51:00 -
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One could argue the current large numbers of heavies are more a product of map design and less the role that they are good at. A few more open points would change the dynamic considerably.
Also -- almost 1000 DPS? No heavy on the planet has almost 1000 dps |
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