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LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 273	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:50:00 - [1] - Quote When someone can just run at you and spam the trigger to kill you and you can't do anything how isn't it OP? When Amarr assualts (with SCR) move in the same way as a heavy with a HMG (just walk into you) aat close range and can still rinse you from far away how is it not OP? My ARR has huge kick and shot delay to prevent it being OP at close range yet the SCR has nothing? That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2985	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:56:00 - [2] - Quote I'm not sure I disagree with your premise. I've long thought that the ScR needs a ROF nerf. That said, it would be unfair if you didn't consider the overheat or the single shot mechanic -- in fairness, both are a bit more than "nothing".
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 655	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:59:00 - [3] - Quote Really? Scrambler is a finesse weapon, I'm just a humble AR scrub but I have skilled up to advanced in scrambler. Try taking down an armor tanked assault. Not going to happen, not with out a head shot or three. I even went so far as to go advanced commando that get laser bonus damage and stack damage mods, still lots of skill required. Single shot, assault doesn't matter its about precision, range and your target. Hello? any one there?
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 273	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:04:00 - [4] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Really? Scrambler is a finesse weapon, I'm just a humble AR scrub but I have skilled up to advanced in scrambler. Try taking down an armor tanked assault. Not going to happen, not with out a head shot or three. I even went so far as to go advanced commando that get laser bonus damage and stack damage mods, still lots of skill required. Single shot, assault doesn't matter its about precision, range and your target. So because it struggles against an armour tanked assault it should excel in every other are? It's not a finese weapon, it works better when you spam the trigger up close (it works better than a hmg!!) but also has the ability to be played from a mile away charge shotting. Like leadfoot said RoF nerf is a must. That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 600	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:06:00 - [5] - Quote Tip: if your suit is shield-based, run as fast as you can and don't look back. You will have a good chance using an armor-based suit. Life has no "real" meaning. We are just dust particles in an endless world we call space. Just have fun while you live.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:20:00 - [6] - Quote What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools. Just a thought though. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 328	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:22:00 - [7] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Tip: if your suit is shield-based, run as fast as you can and don't look back. You will have a good chance using an armor-based suit. Ahh, the old "its ok to completely invalidate an entire style of tanking with my weapon because it takes slightly longer to kill armor suits than the other rifles do". Completely rediculous. Do you see anyone saying **** like this about the rail rifle or combat rifle? No. Because they arent horrendously overpowered against armor, they are just GOOD against armor. There is a big difference there. Scrambler needs its profile tightened up and either a lower max rate of fire or much more kick like the tac AR so that it hops off target if you spam it too much. I'd also like to see heat raised on the charged shot so that you get much less follow up shots after firing it. Its completely bogus how much damage it does to shield suits or low ehp suits in way less time than any other rifle. Anything else gives you some time to react, but getting hit by scrambler rifle is just oh hey my shields are gone or oh hey Im dead and the only option is to hope they tagged you just as you were getting into cover, because if not you are probably screwed. The other rifles are not at all like this weapon in terms of instant damage output, but they have similar drawbacks these days. AR has much lower range, rail rifle has absurd kick/charge, and even the combat rifle has some real challenges with trigger timing if you want to maximize its dps. All you have to do with the scrambler is to learn not to shoot more than 18 times. Big deal, that shouldnt justify the rediculously good performance of the weapon against everything except for extremely heavy armor tanks. tldr; the scrambler is OP as heck against shield tanks or low hp suits in a way that is not even remotely comparable to the other rifle weapons, and it needs to be fixed.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1624	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:00:00 - [8] - Quote LHughes wrote: When someone can just run at you and spam the trigger to kill you and you can't do anything how isn't it OP? When Amarr assualts (with SCR) move in the same way as a heavy with a HMG (just walk into you) aat close range and can still rinse you from far away how is it not OP? My ARR has huge kick and shot delay to prevent it being OP at close range yet the SCR has nothing? It's easy to gun down a coward as they run away. I have a much tougher time fighting super strafing. Everybody cries about the rail rifle. I think it's a damn good gun. However I never used it back when it was OP. I guess it was way better before if you are butt hurt about how it performs now. Crush them
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 529	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even. If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even. If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR. Rail rifle has been nerfed, so much so that its now the worst rifle in the game. ARR is still pretty good but the breach RR is trash. So do we get to nerf the scrambler now?

TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 602	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:05:00 - [11] - Quote sigh As long as there will be so many rifle variants, there will be OP and UP ones. Each being better at one style of gameplay than the other. You can't have balance with so much variety. Life has no "real" meaning. We are just dust particles in an endless world we call space. Just have fun while you live.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14577	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:07:00 - [12] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools. Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP. So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 390	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:11:00 - [13] - Quote Oh noes....not again... Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 274	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:22:00 - [14] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: sigh As long as there will be so many rifle variants, there will be OP and UP ones. Each being better at one style of gameplay than the other. You can't have balance with so much variety. SCR kills everything except 500+ armour suits in an instant, no skill. It can be a little bit more ******* 'balanced' That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1624	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:22:00 - [15] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even. If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR. Rail rifle has been nerfed, so much so that its now the worst rifle in the game. ARR is still pretty good but the breach RR is trash. So do we get to nerf the scrambler now? I wasn't here but I think we got a mag reduction and an increase in heat about the same time. Crush them
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1146	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:25:00 - [16] - Quote ScR just got a ROF nerf like two months ago... ARR is STILL the best weapon in the game. Every match im downed by it 2-3 times (I run gal/amarr.) Oddly enough I am almost never killed by the ScR. My militia ARR on my frontline suit does better (with no skills) than my max skilled adv ScR... Pro tip - if you are being killed by ScR, switch out of your scout/caldari suit to something tankier. ScR will never kill you again. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 331	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:25:00 - [17] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: sigh As long as there will be so many rifle variants, there will be OP and UP ones. Each being better at one style of gameplay than the other. You can't have balance with so much variety. Yes, you can. Right now the rifles are very close together with the big outliers being the tactical scrambler and the breach rail rifle, which are OP and UP respectively.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 331	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:28:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools. Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP. So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying. It doesnt fit perfectly, because other alpha weapons in the game, like shotguns, sniper rifles, bolt pistols, just to name a few, have serious drawbacks that balance their power out. The scrambler can still absolutely wreck anything but a sentinel but has no drawback in range, no drawback in firing speed, and very little drawback at all if you can keep yourself from hitting overheat, which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 331	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:30:00 - [19] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even. If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR. Rail rifle has been nerfed, so much so that its now the worst rifle in the game. ARR is still pretty good but the breach RR is trash. So do we get to nerf the scrambler now? I wasn't here but I think we got a mag reduction and an increase in heat about the same time. Mag reduction might as well have never happened, because heat is the real limiting factor on the weapon. Heat increase I dont know about, the thing can still shoot ~18 shots before overheat, no?
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 274	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:38:00 - [20] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: ScR just got a ROF nerf like two months ago... ARR is STILL the best weapon in the game. Every match im downed by it 2-3 times (I run gal/amarr.) Oddly enough I am almost never killed by the ScR. My militia ARR on my frontline suit does better (with no skills) than my max skilled adv ScR... Pro tip - if you are being killed by ScR, switch out of your scout/caldari suit to something tankier. ScR will never kill you again. I'm a min assault with 480 shield and 400 armour, I am insta killed with a four/five volley from SCR BUT THIS POINT HAS BEEN SAID LOADS BEFORE Just because it maybe **** in one or two instances does not give it the right to be OP in other areas, only a burst hmg or shotgun kill me quicker in my dual tanked suit at close range. ARR is OP in pubs because of the scrubby armour tankers (80% population atm) If shields were as viable as armour SCR would be more OP than murder taxis, TAC ARs, Flaylocks in their day. That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx

P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1149	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:48:00 - [21] - Quote LHughes wrote: P14GU3 wrote: ScR just got a ROF nerf like two months ago... ARR is STILL the best weapon in the game. Every match im downed by it 2-3 times (I run gal/amarr.) Oddly enough I am almost never killed by the ScR. My militia ARR on my frontline suit does better (with no skills) than my max skilled adv ScR... Pro tip - if you are being killed by ScR, switch out of your scout/caldari suit to something tankier. ScR will never kill you again. I'm a min assault with 480 shield and 400 armour, I am insta killed with a four/five volley from SCR BUT THIS POINT HAS BEEN SAID LOADS BEFORE Just because it maybe sh*t in one or two instances does not give it the right to be OP in other areas, only a burst hmg (not even a shotgun) kill me quicker in my dual tanked suit at close range. ARR is OP in pubs because of the scrubby armour tankers (80% population atm) If shields were as viable as armour SCR would be more OP than murder taxis, TAC ARs, Flaylocks in their day. Haha so basically, because cal/min happen to be FoTM in PC right now, the best weapon to use against them should be nerfed? What would that do for the SCR in pubs? It would become unuseable against all those armor tankers. Hell, its virtually unusuable unless you stack 2 or 3 complex damage mods on a viziam in pubs now.. Edit: why do you think cal/min is the meta in PC now? Because the ARR and CR have been easy mode for so long that everyone and their mother has specced it. They completely destroy armor suit. The ScR was fine for months upon months with no nerf. It just got a nerf, and now its OP? 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1654	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:18:00 - [22] - Quote Amarr with ScR is 1 v 1 god Not as good against multiple people though. Balanced? Maybe... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:38:00 - [23] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools. Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP. So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying. It doesnt fit perfectly, because other alpha weapons in the game, like shotguns, sniper rifles, bolt pistols, just to name a few, have serious drawbacks that balance their power out. The scrambler can still absolutely wreck anything but a sentinel but has no drawback in range, no drawback in firing speed, and very little drawback at all if you can keep yourself from hitting overheat, which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while. Would it make sense to have a tactical rifle that did low damage....especially when its against faster moving shield targets? you have to place your shots..... you don't get to spray and pray while adjusting your aim like you do with the AR,CR and ARR.... "which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while" Lmfao didn't you say it was hard to time the combat rifle? just use your "trivial muscle memory" to time the burst. I have used the Cr less then my SCR but I can still time the burst perfectly... You just happen to ignore the fact that you are defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage? and if you do charge your shot you lose DPS and if you spam your shots you overheat for 5 then are left with 5 bullets to make magic happen or reload and add 3 more seconds to your helplessness......your Cr can spray and pray the whole clip and still switch to the sidearm to continue.....where is the drawback?? what are these serious drawbacks to these weapons? list them so I can laugh. Vesta your just butthurt and a hypocrite cause you run Minassault all the time and It wrecks you.. If anything, the moment the ScR is nerfed the MinAssault will definitely get one to.... or the amarr assault will get a buff.... The only thing that I would change is make it 15/15 for damage profile otherwise leave the gun lone and find something else to cry about scrubs. Emperor Gucci
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 272	Posted - 2015.01.23 21:41:00 - [24] - Quote All Gucci wrote: The only thing that I would change is make it 15/15 for damage profile otherwise leave the gun lone and find something else to cry about scrubs. i endorse this bu..................i mean nerf drinking wine, eating cheese and catching some rays
Golden Day Y.A.M.A.H 921	Posted - 2015.01.23 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote dont you got damn dare nerf my scr i love it and you arsh holes will have to get over it that its surperior to your Scrub rifles Rumadbro That a proto ferroscale tanked amarr assault with proto dmg mods ripped your ass open and didnt bother to use lube?? HAHAHAHA Im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 337	Posted - 2015.01.23 21:59:00 - [26] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools. Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP. So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying. It doesnt fit perfectly, because other alpha weapons in the game, like shotguns, sniper rifles, bolt pistols, just to name a few, have serious drawbacks that balance their power out. The scrambler can still absolutely wreck anything but a sentinel but has no drawback in range, no drawback in firing speed, and very little drawback at all if you can keep yourself from hitting overheat, which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while. Would it make sense to have a tactical rifle that did low damage....especially when its against faster moving shield targets? you have to place your shots..... you don't get to spray and pray while adjusting your aim like you do with the AR,CR and ARR.... "which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while" Lmfao didn't you say it was hard to time the combat rifle? just use your "trivial muscle memory" to time the burst. I have used the Cr less then my SCR but I can still time the burst perfectly... You just happen to ignore the fact that you are defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage? and if you do charge your shot you lose DPS and if you spam your shots you overheat for 5 then are left with 5 bullets to make magic happen or reload and add 3 more seconds to your helplessness......your Cr can spray and pray the whole clip and still switch to the sidearm to continue.....where is the drawback?? what are these serious drawbacks to these weapons? list them so I can laugh. Vesta your just butthurt and a hypocrite cause you run Minassault all the time and It wrecks you.. If anything, the moment the ScR is nerfed the MinAssault will definitely get one to.... or the amarr assault will get a buff.... The only thing that I would change is make it 15/15 for damage profile otherwise leave the gun lone and find something else to cry about scrubs. Yeah the CR timing is muscle memory as well, until you get into how the timing is affected by how much framerate lag you are experiencing. I considered actually saying that but I tend to go off in tangents in my post so I have to cut myself off at some point. But yeah its comparable, the point is the heat mechanic is not significantly worse (or worse at all) than the other rifle variant drawbacks/issues. Again defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage, you dont have to take that damage, just wait for heat, or if its an emergency switch to sidearm. Its not that difficult to manage. Minassault nerf, probably actually needs it. Its really a good suit. It does tend to lose head to head fights so Im not sure, but I'd be interested in some actual usage performance numbers if the devs have them. You seem to think I have some bias in this game, but I really dont. I want everything to be fun, and everything to be balanced, because I use everything. Just because you see me using the minmitar suit doesnt mean I dont use other stuff, it just means that Ive been using that suit since I protoed out my kincats recently, and the new hasnt worn off yet. I do just as well running a scan fit caldari scout, or a heavy, or a logi, or a vehicle on my alt. I dont ******* care about minmatar assault more than I care about scramblers. I like everything the same and I want it all to be fun and cool because over the long term Im not playing minassault 514, Im playing Dust 514. Im bitching about vehicles being overpowered and scramblers being overpowered and shields and sniper rifles being pretty lackluster in the game because right now I think they are, and I want them to be balanced better. Previously I was bitching about shotgun/damp/cloak scouts because they were OP. Next on my list is getting a counter to dug in logi/heavy blobs that isnt suicide remotes, but thats not as bad as the other balance issues in the game right now, so you dont hear me complaining about it. Yet.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5095	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:41:00 - [27] - Quote Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 96	Posted - 2015.01.23 23:18:00 - [28] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Yeah the CR timing is muscle memory as well, until you get into how the timing is affected by how much framerate lag you are experiencing. I considered actually saying that but I tend to go off in tangents in my post so I have to cut myself off at some point. But yeah its comparable, the point is the heat mechanic is not significantly worse (or worse at all) than the other rifle variant drawbacks/issues. Minassault nerf, probably actually needs it. Its really a good suit. It does tend to lose head to head fights so Im not sure, but I'd be interested in some actual usage performance numbers if the devs have them. you seem to think the Cr is the only weapon effected by framerate....SCR is affected way more then any weapon.... sometime you wont see your shots firing or feel it on your controller only to have it instant overheat because the server says you did fire multiple shots when you didn't...I'll even get the "blue sheild" hit detection issue....for a weapon you need to make your shots count with that's the worst thing possible. Again defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage, you don't have to take that damage, just wait for heat, or if its an emergency switch to sidearm. Its not that difficult to manage. Lmao if it were so easy to do then I would never overheat..... I've run ScR since i started toward the end of 1.8 and I consider myself a ScR master and I still overheat.... no one takes turns fighting ....Every engagement is random you do not know when the next person is going to attack or how far or with what weapon so there is no way to perfectly manage heat like you claim....you are leaving out a lot of variables in your little tangents and picking the ones that best suit your absurd argument. It does tend to lose head to head fights....no it doesn't I just started running MinAssault a week ago and it's the best suit out to just rampage and avoid death. with my Amarr assault I HAVE to fight everything and everyone that comes in my vicinity. Emperor Gucci
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1634	Posted - 2015.01.23 23:41:00 - [29] - Quote @^ I agree kill em all then rep up. Crush them
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 276	Posted - 2015.01.24 00:07:00 - [30] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx

Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 292	Posted - 2015.01.24 00:16:00 - [31] - Quote I think an important point to note is that SCR users almost exclusively run damage mods you need them to get through amour, helps with the Alpha charge shot and as an Amarr assault what else would they use
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5099	Posted - 2015.01.24 00:21:00 - [32] - Quote LHughes wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. All creditability is now forfeit with above statement. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 342	Posted - 2015.01.24 00:36:00 - [33] - Quote If it kills me it must be op! The scr is good for short bursts and is abused by turbo controllers ontop. I use the scr and cr with a controller and ttk is not too different with damage mods on both. Scr is better vs shields and cr for higher ehp suit and pronged combat. Overall the scr has more drawbacks than the cr but as a solo player who knows what an uplink is, not having to carry a nanohive means I favour the ammar assault scr combo over my mini with cr
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 185	Posted - 2015.01.24 00:53:00 - [34] - Quote You know I am a fan of the ScR Hughes, and if there's one thing I'd change, I'd increase A BIT the kick when hipfiring. It's a bit too precise for what it should be. But thing is that this hipfire accuracy helps to counter lags, strafe and f*cked up hit detection.. ScR really hurts shield tanked suits, but when you go against an armor one, you must deal with that heat build up, and that's a real inconvinient. I think, as someone said before, that they should change its profil to -15/+15 and decrease its base damages by 5%. This would reduce its damages on shields by 10% and wont change anything against armor (which is good). Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 339	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:43:00 - [35] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Yeah the CR timing is muscle memory as well, until you get into how the timing is affected by how much framerate lag you are experiencing. I considered actually saying that but I tend to go off in tangents in my post so I have to cut myself off at some point. But yeah its comparable, the point is the heat mechanic is not significantly worse (or worse at all) than the other rifle variant drawbacks/issues. Minassault nerf, probably actually needs it. Its really a good suit. It does tend to lose head to head fights so Im not sure, but I'd be interested in some actual usage performance numbers if the devs have them. you seem to think the Cr is the only weapon effected by framerate....SCR is affected way more then any weapon.... sometime you wont see your shots firing or feel it on your controller only to have it instant overheat because the server says you did fire multiple shots when you didn't...I'll even get the "blue sheild" hit detection issue....for a weapon you need to make your shots count with that's the worst thing possible. Again defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage, you don't have to take that damage, just wait for heat, or if its an emergency switch to sidearm. Its not that difficult to manage. Lmao if it were so easy to do then I would never overheat..... I've run ScR since i started toward the end of 1.8 and I consider myself a ScR master and I still overheat.... no one takes turns fighting ....Every engagement is random you do not know when the next person is going to attack or how far or with what weapon so there is no way to perfectly manage heat like you claim....you are leaving out a lot of variables in your little tangents and picking the ones that best suit your absurd argument. It does tend to lose head to head fights....no it doesn't I just started running MinAssault a week ago and it's the best suit out to just rampage and avoid death. with my Amarr assault I HAVE to fight everything and everyone that comes in my vicinity. I overheat some too, and yes Nocturnal I have used the weapon as my first choice for many months, I have it up to prof 4 and opt 2, and still use it occasionally today, it hasnt changed significantly in terms of alpha raping people with shield/low ehp. My point in this conversation is I dont think the common excuse for the scrambler not being OP, the heat mechanic, is on about the same level as other rifle drawbacks that we have to deal with, the combat rifle is the easiest rifle to use, but you know what, the combat rifle doesnt completely shitram armor without any effort like the scrambler does to shields. Like I said the minassault might need to be nerfed. But if you are winning head to heads against suits with more tank then you probably didnt win the fight, the other guy lost the fight. As for rampage and avoid death is why ALL fast suits and vehicles are good and hard to kill, its why the scout suits were wrecking everything without effort for months. The minassault is not as good as scouts as this because its subject to being scanned and its scans suck, but it still might be too good at zipping around and might need to be adjusted (or maybe kincats are the problem, not sure). Meanwhile we're suggesting the same change (tightening damage profile) and Im throwing a couple more suggestions out to try and make life not **** for low ehp suits, not sure why you are being super defensive.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 339	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:46:00 - [36] - Quote LHughes wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. Exaggeration does not make for very convincing arguments.
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 279	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:50:00 - [37] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: You know I am a fan of the ScR Hughes, and if there's one thing I'd change, I'd increase A BIT the kick when hipfiring. It's a bit too precise for what it should be. But thing is that this hipfire accuracy helps to counter lags, strafe and f*cked up hit detection.. ScR really hurts shield tanked suits, but when you go against an armor one, you must deal with that heat build up, and that's a real inconvinient. I think, as someone said before, that they should change its profil to -15/+15 and decrease its base damages by 5%. This would reduce its damages on shields by 10% and wont change anything against armor (which is good). Kinda like I said for ages, SCR deals too much damage full stop. It needs a ROF nerf aswell though to stop cqc dominance That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7384	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:56:00 - [38] - Quote LHughes wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: You know I am a fan of the ScR Hughes, and if there's one thing I'd change, I'd increase A BIT the kick when hipfiring. It's a bit too precise for what it should be. But thing is that this hipfire accuracy helps to counter lags, strafe and f*cked up hit detection.. ScR really hurts shield tanked suits, but when you go against an armor one, you must deal with that heat build up, and that's a real inconvinient. I think, as someone said before, that they should change its profil to -15/+15 and decrease its base damages by 5%. This would reduce its damages on shields by 10% and wont change anything against armor (which is good). Kinda like I said for ages, SCR deals too much damage full stop. It needs a ROF nerf aswell though to stop cqc dominance If only there were some sort of mechanic like overheat as an RoF nerf... Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 279	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:56:00 - [39] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: LHughes wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. Exaggeration does not make for very convincing arguments. Duvolle TAC AR deals practically the same damage as the SCR.... TAC AR has more Kick No charge extra damage The SCR is to OP in CQC, you remind me of someone saying the RR wasn't OP CQC when I would chose it no matter what the ******* map. SCR is OP. That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 279	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:57:00 - [40] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: LHughes wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: You know I am a fan of the ScR Hughes, and if there's one thing I'd change, I'd increase A BIT the kick when hipfiring. It's a bit too precise for what it should be. But thing is that this hipfire accuracy helps to counter lags, strafe and f*cked up hit detection.. ScR really hurts shield tanked suits, but when you go against an armor one, you must deal with that heat build up, and that's a real inconvinient. I think, as someone said before, that they should change its profil to -15/+15 and decrease its base damages by 5%. This would reduce its damages on shields by 10% and wont change anything against armor (which is good). Kinda like I said for ages, SCR deals too much damage full stop. It needs a ROF nerf aswell though to stop cqc dominance If only there were some sort of mechanic like overheat as an RoF nerf... So maybe they need adjusting you idiot. That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx

LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 279	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:59:00 - [41] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: LHughes wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. Exaggeration does not make for very convincing arguments. Prove I was over exagerating. That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 558	Posted - 2015.01.24 02:19:00 - [42] - Quote I love how you come up against a ScR with your prto Cal assault ... MY DUST 514 VIDEOS I sniper hunt . What about you ?
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4422	Posted - 2015.01.24 03:01:00 - [43] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Really? Scrambler is a finesse weapon, I'm just a humble AR scrub but I have skilled up to advanced in scrambler. Try taking down an armor tanked assault. Not going to happen, not with out a head shot or three. I even went so far as to go advanced commando that get laser bonus damage and stack damage mods, still lots of skill required. Single shot, assault doesn't matter its about precision, range and your target. I do fine with scramblers.. I guess that good aim comes in handy. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 340	Posted - 2015.01.24 03:08:00 - [44] - Quote LHughes wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: LHughes wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. Exaggeration does not make for very convincing arguments. Duvolle TAC AR deals practically the same damage as the SCR.... TAC AR has more Kick No charge extra damage The SCR is to OP in CQC, you remind me of someone saying the RR wasn't OP CQC when I would chose it no matter what the ******* map. SCR is OP. Your post is implying that the Scrambler is better in CQC than the HMG and shotgun, its just not. I agree with your central point, but saying things that are just wrong is not going to make anyone agree with you.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 88	Posted - 2015.01.24 05:16:00 - [45] - Quote Rattati stated that he is not making any changes to the ScR. He thinks it's fine, while being a tap OP, he doesn't think it needs to be messed with. Check the threads, I think the post is 3 weeks old. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 342	Posted - 2015.01.24 05:17:00 - [46] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: LHughes wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: You know I am a fan of the ScR Hughes, and if there's one thing I'd change, I'd increase A BIT the kick when hipfiring. It's a bit too precise for what it should be. But thing is that this hipfire accuracy helps to counter lags, strafe and f*cked up hit detection.. ScR really hurts shield tanked suits, but when you go against an armor one, you must deal with that heat build up, and that's a real inconvinient. I think, as someone said before, that they should change its profil to -15/+15 and decrease its base damages by 5%. This would reduce its damages on shields by 10% and wont change anything against armor (which is good). Kinda like I said for ages, SCR deals too much damage full stop. It needs a ROF nerf aswell though to stop cqc dominance If only there were some sort of mechanic like overheat as an RoF nerf... Unfortunately heat does not work as a RoF control mechanic on the timelines that make a difference in most fights. Its usually only going to matter if you run into a sentinel or a heavily armor tanked Gal/Ammar Assault, or if someone is strafing like a bastard. Thats what your sidearm is for though, and in any case, tightening up the armor profile (my suggestion for this issue) would actually make 2 of 3 of those situations not as bad.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 101	Posted - 2015.01.24 07:57:00 - [47] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: You know I am a fan of the ScR Hughes, and if there's one thing I'd change, I'd increase A BIT the kick when hipfiring. It's a bit too precise for what it should be. But thing is that this hipfire accuracy helps to counter lags, strafe and fcked up hit detection.. ScR really hurts shield tanked suits, but when you go against an armor one, you must deal with that heat build up, and that's a real inconvinient. I think, as someone said before, that they should change its profil to -15/+15 and decrease its base damages by 5%. This would reduce its damages on shields by 10% and wont change anything against armor (which is good). No damage nerf..... profile change only...the constant argument you people use is it destroys shields.... why would we reduce the damage shield are taking by 5% from profile change then another* 5% from a damage nerf? nerf all the other rifles by 5% then we'll agree, and its not too precise. Emperor Gucci
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 101	Posted - 2015.01.24 08:02:00 - [48] - Quote LHughes wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: LHughes wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. Exaggeration does not make for very convincing arguments. Prove I was over exagerating. Where are your stats ? you made the claim lol Emperor Gucci
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 195	Posted - 2015.01.24 08:41:00 - [49] - Quote The scrambler rifle has more PG and CPU cost compared to the assault rifle and rail rifle so it must by definition have more battlefield value in some ways. The many differences in weapons stats because it is a sand box game (without much sand but there is a bit) The scrambler rifle has much lower damage per clip and lower damage per overheat compared to the assault rifle. The scrambler rifle has very inaccurate hipfire which is worse than the tac assault rifle. The scrambler rifle appears to be good in CQC because most players engage it within 9m ranges which is very extreme close range (very close to shotgun range). It also has a very low zoom aim down sights feature which makes it be very accurate at 9m to 70m ranges. Using a zoom like the rail rifle would make it even more accurate at longer ranges but less accurate between 9m to 25m because of the slower turn speed. You can win against a tac scrambler rifle with shield tanking suits. But you need to build your suit the in certain ways to win. Use 2 or more proto dampeners on shielded caldari assaults or scouts. Flank your enemy and attack with an std ion pistol and std assault combat rifle. Or use a shotgun on an assult suit. what ever weapons you use, you should put at least 2 proto shield mods on your suit and you must be deadly accurate because flanking enemies usually puts you within 14m engagements. That's very close to the sweet spot of the scrambler rifles hip fire range. the breach assault rifle has a sweet spot of roughly 25m with mas skills. the combat rifle has a sweet spot of roughly 16 to 20m hipfire range with max skills. Or you could attack scrambler users at very long range (80m) with rail rifles or combat rifles at 60m using a lot of cover. If you attack you incentivize them to come towards you if they are aggressive players. That may make them go out in the open sometimes. you should use a basic caldari heavy frame with proto regen mods in the highs and shield regulators in the lows and always duck in and out of cover, at 50m range, focusing on hitting the enemy rather than dodging bullets. Wait a short time while reloading for full shields and attack again to finish him off. Using a breach assault rifle is good with that suit set up. If you use medium shield suits or light shield suits never ever get close in firefights and try to attack from above. They just don't have the regen abilities and tanking for ducking in and out of cover at 20m to 40m engagements. they need 60m to 80m engagements unless they are proto suits. If you want to get close with medium and light suits, use dampeners and flank them from behind multiple times, then advance on them when they run to cover and then "attack from behind again" if you can, around that last bit of small cover they are hiding behind. If you surprise them once with 90% accuracy them you should get the hp advantage when you try to flank again. If you get into a firefight with them and they had 90 shield hp and 150 armor remaining, and you had 250 shields and 100 armor and the scrambler guy kills you in a firefight then remember you could have killed him but then you should have attacked from a different angle to surprise him a 2nd time. shield tanking can be hard to explain fully like a guide with a small number of words.
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 190	Posted - 2015.01.24 11:57:00 - [50] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: You know I am a fan of the ScR Hughes, and if there's one thing I'd change, I'd increase A BIT the kick when hipfiring. It's a bit too precise for what it should be. But thing is that this hipfire accuracy helps to counter lags, strafe and fcked up hit detection.. ScR really hurts shield tanked suits, but when you go against an armor one, you must deal with that heat build up, and that's a real inconvinient. I think, as someone said before, that they should change its profil to -15/+15 and decrease its base damages by 5%. This would reduce its damages on shields by 10% and wont change anything against armor (which is good). No damage nerf..... profile change only...the constant argument you people use is it destroys shields.... why would we reduce the damage shield are taking by 5% from profile change then another* 5% from a damage nerf? nerf all the other rifles by 5% then we'll agree, and its not too precise. You dont seem to understand the maths (very simple) behind this. If you change the profile to -15/+15, you will increase the damages on armor by 5% and that's not what I was proposing. The aim is to decrease the damage on shields. In order to let the armor damages untouched, reduce the base damages by 5% and it'll deal the same damage on armour than it used to do. Now if 10% damage reduction is a bit too much, just change the profile to -15/+20 for a final -5% damage on shield. I am one of the rare ScR user who uses the charged shots all the time, and I follow them by few normal shots as the heat a charged shot creates is really huge. Using this tactic isn't OP at all as, if I fail or fight against an armor tank, I'll have to wait for the weapon to cooldown.. The problem is with people who spam R1 and use charged shots. But nerfing the rof for them would also nerfing it for the way I use it and that isn't needed at all. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.

Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 57	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:30:00 - [51] - Quote 15/15 will make laser profile too strong in my honest opinion. Just like how explosives can't shatter shield easily, laser shouldn't become the new projectile. The 5% against armor will mean lots to laser rifle users too. Now if i remembered the laser rifle's quadratic (as damage isn't linear) i would prove my point so..... Reserved until further research is done to prove my theory/after class. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1671	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:34:00 - [52] - Quote I dare you to change then laser profile. I'll melt you even faster with the LR. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1901	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:36:00 - [53] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: The scrambler rifle has very inaccurate hipfire which is worse than the tac assault rifle. hahahahahahahaha this guy never used the SCR and the TAR
LHughes Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 282	Posted - 2015.01.24 14:07:00 - [54] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: LHughes wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: LHughes wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims? No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family. Exaggeration does not make for very convincing arguments. Duvolle TAC AR deals practically the same damage as the SCR.... TAC AR has more Kick No charge extra damage The SCR is to OP in CQC, you remind me of someone saying the RR wasn't OP CQC when I would chose it no matter what the ******* map. SCR is OP. Your post is implying that the Scrambler is better in CQC than the HMG and shotgun, its just not. I agree with your central point, but saying things that are just wrong is not going to make anyone agree with you. I'm more scred of a SCR than a shotgun or Heavy HMG up close when I have over 400 armour... That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx
Jebus McKing Nos Nothi 1367	Posted - 2015.01.31 23:25:00 - [55] - Quote I was curious about why it seems that the ScR does so much more damage than I would expect from a weapon with almost 100m effective range so I ran some tests and checked how fast I can pull the trigger and in how much dps that would result. On average I was able to fire ~6.67 shots per second. Now I'm not really good at using a ScR so I'd expect someone who uses it regularly might achieve even more rounds than that. If we now take the viziam ScR base damage of 71.5 and multiply that with 6.67 rounds per second we get a dps of ~477. That's 5% more than the dps of the Duvolle AR (453) which has an effective range of only 70m. And that's even 20% more than the dps of the Kaalakiota RR (397) which has an effective range of 100m. In summary: Viziam ScR - 477dps - 96m range Duvolle AR - 453dps - 70m range Kaalakiota RR - 397dps - 100m range To me that explains why I always have the feeling that my shields simply disappear instantly even when the ScR did not charge the shot, and why even my armor doesn't help a lot when I come up against a ScR. On top of the best dps and close to best range the ScR also gets the ability to charge shots giving the ScR quite the head start in many fights, which is a huge advantage, obviously. Now some might say "b-but heat built-up". Even with only level 1 in ScR I was able to easily deal ~1250 damage with a STD ScR before overheating, which is only ~160 damage less than an ADV(!) ACR has in its whole clip. If you use an Amarr Assault and regularly play with the ScR I think it is save to say heat becomes almost a non-issue. Jebus still hates scans.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 193	Posted - 2015.02.01 00:09:00 - [56] - Quote ACR is OP then. Run foward and hold the R1 button to shoot. Believe in RUST Don't hate the DUST lol
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1829	Posted - 2015.02.01 00:30:00 - [57] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: I was curious about why it seems that the ScR does so much more damage than I would expect from a weapon with almost 100m effective range so I ran some tests and checked how fast I can pull the trigger and in how much dps that would result. On average I was able to fire ~6.67 shots per second. Now I'm not really good at using a ScR so I'd expect someone who uses it regularly might achieve even more rounds than that. If we now take the viziam ScR base damage of 71.5 and multiply that with 6.67 rounds per second we get a dps of ~477. That's 5% more than the dps of the Duvolle AR (453) which has an effective range of only 70m. And that's even 20% more than the dps of the Kaalakiota RR (397) which has an effective range of 100m. In summary: Viziam ScR - 477dps - 96m range Duvolle AR - 453dps - 70m range Kaalakiota RR - 397dps - 100m range To me that explains why I always have the feeling that my shields simply disappear instantly even when the ScR did not charge the shot, and why even my armor doesn't help a lot when I come up against a ScR. On top of the best dps and close to best range the ScR also gets the ability to charge shots giving the ScR quite the head start in many fights, which is a huge advantage, obviously. Now some might say "b-but heat built-up". Even with only level 1 in ScR I was able to easily deal ~1250 damage with a STD ScR before overheating, which is only ~160 damage less than an ADV(!) ACR has in its whole clip. If you use an Amarr Assault and regularly play with the ScR I think it is save to say heat becomes almost a non-issue. Lol Crush them


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