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LHughes
Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:50:00 -
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When someone can just run at you and spam the trigger to kill you and you can't do anything how isn't it OP?
When Amarr assualts (with SCR) move in the same way as a heavy with a HMG (just walk into you) aat close range and can still rinse you from far away how is it not OP?
My ARR has huge kick and shot delay to prevent it being OP at close range yet the SCR has nothing?
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:56:00 -
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I'm not sure I disagree with your premise. I've long thought that the ScR needs a ROF nerf.
That said, it would be unfair if you didn't consider the overheat or the single shot mechanic -- in fairness, both are a bit more than "nothing". |
We are 138
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:59:00 -
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Really? Scrambler is a finesse weapon, I'm just a humble AR scrub but I have skilled up to advanced in scrambler. Try taking down an armor tanked assault. Not going to happen, not with out a head shot or three. I even went so far as to go advanced commando that get laser bonus damage and stack damage mods, still lots of skill required. Single shot, assault doesn't matter its about precision, range and your target.
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LHughes
Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:04:00 -
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We are 138 wrote:Really? Scrambler is a finesse weapon, I'm just a humble AR scrub but I have skilled up to advanced in scrambler. Try taking down an armor tanked assault. Not going to happen, not with out a head shot or three. I even went so far as to go advanced commando that get laser bonus damage and stack damage mods, still lots of skill required. Single shot, assault doesn't matter its about precision, range and your target.
So because it struggles against an armour tanked assault it should excel in every other are?
It's not a finese weapon, it works better when you spam the trigger up close (it works better than a hmg!!) but also has the ability to be played from a mile away charge shotting.
Like leadfoot said RoF nerf is a must.
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:06:00 -
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Tip: if your suit is shield-based, run as fast as you can and don't look back. You will have a good chance using an armor-based suit.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:20:00 -
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What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools.
Just a thought though.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
328
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:22:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Tip: if your suit is shield-based, run as fast as you can and don't look back. You will have a good chance using an armor-based suit.
Ahh, the old "its ok to completely invalidate an entire style of tanking with my weapon because it takes slightly longer to kill armor suits than the other rifles do". Completely rediculous. Do you see anyone saying **** like this about the rail rifle or combat rifle? No. Because they arent horrendously overpowered against armor, they are just GOOD against armor. There is a big difference there.
Scrambler needs its profile tightened up and either a lower max rate of fire or much more kick like the tac AR so that it hops off target if you spam it too much. I'd also like to see heat raised on the charged shot so that you get much less follow up shots after firing it.
Its completely bogus how much damage it does to shield suits or low ehp suits in way less time than any other rifle. Anything else gives you some time to react, but getting hit by scrambler rifle is just oh hey my shields are gone or oh hey Im dead and the only option is to hope they tagged you just as you were getting into cover, because if not you are probably screwed.
The other rifles are not at all like this weapon in terms of instant damage output, but they have similar drawbacks these days. AR has much lower range, rail rifle has absurd kick/charge, and even the combat rifle has some real challenges with trigger timing if you want to maximize its dps. All you have to do with the scrambler is to learn not to shoot more than 18 times. Big deal, that shouldnt justify the rediculously good performance of the weapon against everything except for extremely heavy armor tanks.
tldr; the scrambler is OP as heck against shield tanks or low hp suits in a way that is not even remotely comparable to the other rifle weapons, and it needs to be fixed. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:00:00 -
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LHughes wrote:When someone can just run at you and spam the trigger to kill you and you can't do anything how isn't it OP?
When Amarr assualts (with SCR) move in the same way as a heavy with a HMG (just walk into you) aat close range and can still rinse you from far away how is it not OP?
My ARR has huge kick and shot delay to prevent it being OP at close range yet the SCR has nothing?
It's easy to gun down a coward as they run away. I have a much tougher time fighting super strafing.
Everybody cries about the rail rifle. I think it's a damn good gun. However I never used it back when it was OP. I guess it was way better before if you are butt hurt about how it performs now.
Crush them
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JIMvc2
The Wanga Empire Strikes Back
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:03:00 -
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If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even.
If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
329
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:04:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even.
If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR.
Rail rifle has been nerfed, so much so that its now the worst rifle in the game. ARR is still pretty good but the breach RR is trash. So do we get to nerf the scrambler now? |
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
602
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:05:00 -
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*sigh* As long as there will be so many rifle variants, there will be OP and UP ones. Each being better at one style of gameplay than the other. You can't have balance with so much variety.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:07:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools.
Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP.
So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
390
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:11:00 -
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Oh noes....not again...
Ei fu,
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LHughes
Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance
274
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:22:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:*sigh* As long as there will be so many rifle variants, there will be OP and UP ones. Each being better at one style of gameplay than the other. You can't have balance with so much variety.
SCR kills everything except 500+ armour suits in an instant, no skill.
It can be a little bit more ******* 'balanced'
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:22:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even.
If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR. Rail rifle has been nerfed, so much so that its now the worst rifle in the game. ARR is still pretty good but the breach RR is trash. So do we get to nerf the scrambler now?
I wasn't here but I think we got a mag reduction and an increase in heat about the same time.
Crush them
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
1146
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:25:00 -
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ScR just got a ROF nerf like two months ago... ARR is STILL the best weapon in the game. Every match im downed by it 2-3 times (I run gal/amarr.) Oddly enough I am almost never killed by the ScR. My militia ARR on my frontline suit does better (with no skills) than my max skilled adv ScR...
Pro tip - if you are being killed by ScR, switch out of your scout/caldari suit to something tankier. ScR will never kill you again.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
331
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:25:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:*sigh* As long as there will be so many rifle variants, there will be OP and UP ones. Each being better at one style of gameplay than the other. You can't have balance with so much variety.
Yes, you can. Right now the rifles are very close together with the big outliers being the tactical scrambler and the breach rail rifle, which are OP and UP respectively. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
331
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:28:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools.
Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP. So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying.
It doesnt fit perfectly, because other alpha weapons in the game, like shotguns, sniper rifles, bolt pistols, just to name a few, have serious drawbacks that balance their power out. The scrambler can still absolutely wreck anything but a sentinel but has no drawback in range, no drawback in firing speed, and very little drawback at all if you can keep yourself from hitting overheat, which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
331
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:30:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:If you really want the Scrambler rifle to be nerfed then nerf the RR. Then we see if its even.
If CCP touches that scrambler then nerf RR. Rail rifle has been nerfed, so much so that its now the worst rifle in the game. ARR is still pretty good but the breach RR is trash. So do we get to nerf the scrambler now? I wasn't here but I think we got a mag reduction and an increase in heat about the same time.
Mag reduction might as well have never happened, because heat is the real limiting factor on the weapon. Heat increase I dont know about, the thing can still shoot ~18 shots before overheat, no? |
LHughes
Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance
274
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:38:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:ScR just got a ROF nerf like two months ago... ARR is STILL the best weapon in the game. Every match im downed by it 2-3 times (I run gal/amarr.) Oddly enough I am almost never killed by the ScR. My militia ARR on my frontline suit does better (with no skills) than my max skilled adv ScR...
Pro tip - if you are being killed by ScR, switch out of your scout/caldari suit to something tankier. ScR will never kill you again.
I'm a min assault with 480 shield and 400 armour, I am insta killed with a four/five volley from SCR
BUT
THIS POINT HAS BEEN SAID LOADS BEFORE
Just because it maybe **** in one or two instances does not give it the right to be OP in other areas, only a burst hmg or shotgun kill me quicker in my dual tanked suit at close range.
ARR is OP in pubs because of the scrubby armour tankers (80% population atm)
If shields were as viable as armour SCR would be more OP than murder taxis, TAC ARs, Flaylocks in their day.
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:48:00 -
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LHughes wrote:P14GU3 wrote:ScR just got a ROF nerf like two months ago... ARR is STILL the best weapon in the game. Every match im downed by it 2-3 times (I run gal/amarr.) Oddly enough I am almost never killed by the ScR. My militia ARR on my frontline suit does better (with no skills) than my max skilled adv ScR...
Pro tip - if you are being killed by ScR, switch out of your scout/caldari suit to something tankier. ScR will never kill you again. I'm a min assault with 480 shield and 400 armour, I am insta killed with a four/five volley from SCR BUT THIS POINT HAS BEEN SAID LOADS BEFORE Just because it maybe sh*t in one or two instances does not give it the right to be OP in other areas, only a burst hmg (not even a shotgun) kill me quicker in my dual tanked suit at close range. ARR is OP in pubs because of the scrubby armour tankers (80% population atm) If shields were as viable as armour SCR would be more OP than murder taxis, TAC ARs, Flaylocks in their day. Haha so basically, because cal/min happen to be FoTM in PC right now, the best weapon to use against them should be nerfed? What would that do for the SCR in pubs? It would become unuseable against all those armor tankers. Hell, its virtually unusuable unless you stack 2 or 3 complex damage mods on a viziam in pubs now..
Edit: why do you think cal/min is the meta in PC now? Because the ARR and CR have been easy mode for so long that everyone and their mother has specced it. They completely destroy armor suit. The ScR was fine for months upon months with no nerf. It just got a nerf, and now its OP?
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:18:00 -
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Amarr with ScR is 1 v 1 god
Not as good against multiple people though. Balanced? Maybe...
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
93
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:38:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools.
Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP. So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying. It doesnt fit perfectly, because other alpha weapons in the game, like shotguns, sniper rifles, bolt pistols, just to name a few, have serious drawbacks that balance their power out. The scrambler can still absolutely wreck anything but a sentinel but has no drawback in range, no drawback in firing speed, and very little drawback at all if you can keep yourself from hitting overheat, which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while.
Would it make sense to have a tactical rifle that did low damage....especially when its against faster moving shield targets? you have to place your shots..... you don't get to spray and pray while adjusting your aim like you do with the AR,CR and ARR.... "which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while" Lmfao didn't you say it was hard to time the combat rifle? just use your "trivial muscle memory" to time the burst. I have used the Cr less then my SCR but I can still time the burst perfectly...
You just happen to ignore the fact that you are defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage? and if you do charge your shot you lose DPS and if you spam your shots you overheat for 5 then are left with 5 bullets to make magic happen or reload and add 3 more seconds to your helplessness......your Cr can spray and pray the whole clip and still switch to the sidearm to continue.....where is the drawback?? what are these serious drawbacks to these weapons? list them so I can laugh.
Vesta your just butthurt and a hypocrite cause you run Minassault all the time and It wrecks you.. If anything, the moment the ScR is nerfed the MinAssault will definitely get one to.... or the amarr assault will get a buff....
The only thing that I would change is make it 15/15 for damage profile otherwise leave the gun lone and find something else to cry about scrubs.
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Monty Mole Clone
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
272
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:41:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:The only thing that I would change is make it 15/15 for damage profile otherwise leave the gun lone and find something else to cry about scrubs.
i endorse this bu..................i mean nerf
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Golden Day
Y.A.M.A.H
921
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:47:00 -
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dont you got damn dare nerf my scr i love it and you arsh holes will have to get over it that its surperior to your Scrub rifles
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
337
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:59:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:What i don't understand about anti-shield weapons (other than AR) is that it's an alpha weapon, when we shield users have low hp pools.
Just a thought though. Alpha weapons work well at striking down small pools of HP. DPS weapons work well at removing large pools of HP. So it fits perfectly, even if it is annoying. It doesnt fit perfectly, because other alpha weapons in the game, like shotguns, sniper rifles, bolt pistols, just to name a few, have serious drawbacks that balance their power out. The scrambler can still absolutely wreck anything but a sentinel but has no drawback in range, no drawback in firing speed, and very little drawback at all if you can keep yourself from hitting overheat, which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while. Would it make sense to have a tactical rifle that did low damage....especially when its against faster moving shield targets? you have to place your shots..... you don't get to spray and pray while adjusting your aim like you do with the AR,CR and ARR.... "which is trivial muscle memory after using it for a while" Lmfao didn't you say it was hard to time the combat rifle? just use your "trivial muscle memory" to time the burst. I have used the Cr less then my SCR but I can still time the burst perfectly... You just happen to ignore the fact that you are defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage? and if you do charge your shot you lose DPS and if you spam your shots you overheat for 5 then are left with 5 bullets to make magic happen or reload and add 3 more seconds to your helplessness......your Cr can spray and pray the whole clip and still switch to the sidearm to continue.....where is the drawback?? what are these serious drawbacks to these weapons? list them so I can laugh. Vesta your just butthurt and a hypocrite cause you run Minassault all the time and It wrecks you.. If anything, the moment the ScR is nerfed the MinAssault will definitely get one to.... or the amarr assault will get a buff.... The only thing that I would change is make it 15/15 for damage profile otherwise leave the gun lone and find something else to cry about scrubs.
Yeah the CR timing is muscle memory as well, until you get into how the timing is affected by how much framerate lag you are experiencing. I considered actually saying that but I tend to go off in tangents in my post so I have to cut myself off at some point. But yeah its comparable, the point is the heat mechanic is not significantly worse (or worse at all) than the other rifle variant drawbacks/issues.
Again defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage, you dont have to take that damage, just wait for heat, or if its an emergency switch to sidearm. Its not that difficult to manage.
Minassault nerf, probably actually needs it. Its really a good suit. It does tend to lose head to head fights so Im not sure, but I'd be interested in some actual usage performance numbers if the devs have them.
You seem to think I have some bias in this game, but I really dont. I want everything to be fun, and everything to be balanced, because I use everything. Just because you see me using the minmitar suit doesnt mean I dont use other stuff, it just means that Ive been using that suit since I protoed out my kincats recently, and the new hasnt worn off yet.
I do just as well running a scan fit caldari scout, or a heavy, or a logi, or a vehicle on my alt. I dont ******* care about minmatar assault more than I care about scramblers. I like everything the same and I want it all to be fun and cool because over the long term Im not playing minassault 514, Im playing Dust 514.
Im bitching about vehicles being overpowered and scramblers being overpowered and shields and sniper rifles being pretty lackluster in the game because right now I think they are, and I want them to be balanced better.
Previously I was bitching about shotgun/damp/cloak scouts because they were OP. Next on my list is getting a counter to dug in logi/heavy blobs that isnt suicide remotes, but thats not as bad as the other balance issues in the game right now, so you dont hear me complaining about it. Yet. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.01.23 22:41:00 -
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Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims?
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
96
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:18:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:
Yeah the CR timing is muscle memory as well, until you get into how the timing is affected by how much framerate lag you are experiencing. I considered actually saying that but I tend to go off in tangents in my post so I have to cut myself off at some point. But yeah its comparable, the point is the heat mechanic is not significantly worse (or worse at all) than the other rifle variant drawbacks/issues.
Minassault nerf, probably actually needs it. Its really a good suit. It does tend to lose head to head fights so Im not sure, but I'd be interested in some actual usage performance numbers if the devs have them.
you seem to think the Cr is the only weapon effected by framerate....SCR is affected way more then any weapon.... sometime you wont see your shots firing or feel it on your controller only to have it instant overheat because the server says you did fire multiple shots when you didn't...I'll even get the "blue sheild" hit detection issue....for a weapon you need to make your shots count with that's the worst thing possible.
Again defenseless for 5 seconds while taking 50 damage, you don't have to take that damage, just wait for heat, or if its an emergency switch to sidearm. Its not that difficult to manage.
Lmao if it were so easy to do then I would never overheat..... I've run ScR since i started toward the end of 1.8 and I consider myself a ScR master and I still overheat.... no one takes turns fighting ....Every engagement is random you do not know when the next person is going to attack or how far or with what weapon so there is no way to perfectly manage heat like you claim....you are leaving out a lot of variables in your little tangents and picking the ones that best suit your absurd argument.
It does tend to lose head to head fights....no it doesn't I just started running MinAssault a week ago and it's the best suit out to just rampage and avoid death. with my Amarr assault I HAVE to fight everything and everyone that comes in my vicinity.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1634
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:41:00 -
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@^ I agree kill em all then rep up.
Crush them
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LHughes
Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance
276
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Posted - 2015.01.24 00:07:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Have you honestly used the Scr for more than a month as your main weapon to make such condemning claims?
No but when it kills me more than a HMG (in Sentinel 514) and Shotgun combined in close range then I condem it, it's mother and family.
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