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lowdevil
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:26:00 -
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my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit
my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit
lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range
pay attention devs, this is a huge inbalance |
robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
681
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:27:00 -
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If you let someone get that close to you, you deserve to die.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2467
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:37:00 -
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A little thing called proficiency possibly damage mods minmatar scout, yup if your in his deadzone your going to get ganked.
And RWG is right.
Recon is an Art
PSN Sil4ntChaozz/Protofits SilentChaozz
WERE NOT EVEN RELATED!!
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Orchi Aizen
THE DESTROYERS AMONG DEATH
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:55:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit
my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit
lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range
pay attention devs, this is a huge inbalance
Keep talking partner,but you can't nerf this weapon. Otherwise your just low |
Billy Jr
Damaged Beyond Repair
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:57:00 -
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Please tell me this is a joke. If my knives take more than one or two attacks to take down an enemy, I'm dead. |
J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:05:00 -
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Oh god, we are running low on buckets. Quick some one borrow a couple from the last RE thread. Asap!
XD
TLDR : Last Dust Montage
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Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University
Ivy League
578
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:15:00 -
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Shut that tear duct!
I was wondering if there was something not cried about left.
Kitten or Rhino, a knife to the neck is a knife to the neck...
i have no sympathy
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noob cavman
And the ButtPirates
2011
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:29:00 -
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I can feel the tears flow on~~
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: LEGION
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Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
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Yokal Bob
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
696
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:53:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Oh god, we are running low on buckets. Quick some one borrow a couple from the last RE thread. Asap!
XD
none left after i snuck REs in there.
/{o.o}/ ---L Inflatable hammer strikes again
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:53:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit
my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit
lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range
pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance
Working as intended
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
690
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:56:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit
my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit
lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range
pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance
Also you have to remember it isn't one hit. You swing twice and have to land both hits for maximum damage. Also to drop a proto sentinel like that he's gunna have to charge the knives before swinging which makes a distinct sound you should be listening for. Just like the sound of cloaks and re's being dropped.
So how it actually goes down is a 300ish ehp suit has to sneak up within a couple meters of you without being seen, because if he's spotted he's dead. He has to charge his knives which takes a second making him vulnerable, and then has to land both hits.
You make it sound as if all he has to do is stroll up to you and give ya a quick slice, while in fact it takes a lot of skill.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1892
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:02:00 -
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to deal enough to drop 1400 hp you need a fully charged one plus a non charged attack with NK.
and technically that is a 4hit because NK attack swipes twice each swipe dealing damage. |
RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
916
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:11:00 -
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Seriously?
SERIOUSLY!?!?!
It's a F#@king knife... TO THE NECK!
[Insert Meme]
If you don't have situational awareness, you're gonna have a bad time. |
J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
1875
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:15:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Oh god, we are running low on buckets. Quick some one borrow a couple from the last RE thread. Asap!
XD none left after i snuck REs in there.
Oh no. Grab any containers we have laying around. We can't be wasting the good stuff.
TLDR : Last Dust Montage
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10856
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:01:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit
my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit
lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range
pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance
1. If that player was able to kill you within the first pass of the knives, then that player has no shield tank. Since only Minmatar Scouts have a bonus to nova knife damage and they require a lot of speed to get close to you while also having to fit a profile dampener to sneak up on you, that means they are so weak in armor that a few stray bullets not intended for them can kill them. just give them a hard stare and they're down for the count. Minscouts happen to be the only suits that mostly run naked.
2. If a scout that weak managed to get that close to you given what was pointed out above, then that scout deserves the reward of killing you.
3. Stick with a group. Minjas are less likely to attack you if you have company.
PS: The only possible way a Minja can successfully stab you while you're wearing a proto heavy suit is if you're a proto heavy roaming alone. Fat, slow, and alone is just asking for it.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
600
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:04:00 -
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Don't like getting killed by minjas?
Become one. 
Life has no "real" meaning. We are just dust particles in an endless world we call space.
Just have fun while you live.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
839
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:29:00 -
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Why the hell are you HP tanking a Minmatar Heavy u goddamn scr00b
Changes to Damage mods!
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Clone D
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:38:00 -
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A little known fact about nova knives is that they are 9.84 feet long, and that they swipe in a 180 degree arc from the source, so you can side step all you want, but if you find yourself within that 152 square foot area, then you go down in a single swipe.
In my opinion, their range is way too far. If minjas wanna kill me with knives, they should be within arm's reach (approximately 25 inches or 0.63 meters yielding a much smaller area of effect which makes more sense). But I accept the mechanics of the weapon as they are and try to avoid it, even though my mind often creates the illusion that I should be out of reach of a knife.
I don't see the op as a whine so much as having his/her mind blown by the total absurdity of the power of the Nova Knives.
@OP There are a lot of hypocrites who troll about buckets of tears and then start their own thread about some other OP weapon, so don't take it to heart pal. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10857
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:44:00 -
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Clone D wrote:A little known fact about nova knives is that they are 9.84 feet long, and that they swipe in a 180 degree arc from the source, so you can side step all you want, but if you find yourself within that 152 square foot area, then you go down in a single swipe.
In my opinion, their range is way too far. If minjas wanna kill me with knives, they should be within arm's reach (approximately 25 inches or 0.63 meters yielding a much smaller area of effect which makes more sense). But I accept the mechanics of the weapon as they are and try to avoid it, even though my mind often creates the illusion that I should be out of reach of a knife.
I don't see the op as a whine so much as having his/her mind blown by the total absurdity of the power of the Nova Knives.
@OP There are a lot of hypocrites who troll about buckets of tears and then start their own thread about some other OP weapon, so don't take it to heart pal.
2.5 meters = 8.2 feet
Where did you get 9.84 feet from?
Also, the total area being covered is 105 square feet, not 152.
One more thing, a merc standing on the side being hit by the knives will only take half damage due to the nature of the swipes.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Clone D
1404
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Clone D wrote:A little known fact about nova knives is that they are 9.84 feet long, and that they swipe in a 180 degree arc from the source, so you can side step all you want, but if you find yourself within that 152 square foot area, then you go down in a single swipe.
In my opinion, their range is way too far. If minjas wanna kill me with knives, they should be within arm's reach (approximately 25 inches or 0.63 meters yielding a much smaller area of effect which makes more sense). But I accept the mechanics of the weapon as they are and try to avoid it, even though my mind often creates the illusion that I should be out of reach of a knife.
I don't see the op as a whine so much as having his/her mind blown by the total absurdity of the power of the Nova Knives.
@OP There are a lot of hypocrites who troll about buckets of tears and then start their own thread about some other OP weapon, so don't take it to heart pal. 2.5 meters = 8.2 feet Where did you get 9.84 feet from? Also, the total area being covered is 105 square feet, not 152. One more thing, a merc standing on the side being hit by the knives will only take half damage due to the nature of the swipes.
I get killed by them at 3 meters all of the time. Maybe they're just rounding up, but it's CCP. How do I know what is happening behind the scene or whether or not their calculations include rounding?
If it is 2.5 meters, then those are still some really long arms/knives  |
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1896
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:58:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I get killed by them at 3 meters all of the time. Maybe they're just rounding up, but it's CCP. How do I know what is happening behind the scene or whether or not their calculations include rounding? If it is 2.5 meters, then those are still some really long arms/knives
that is because of latency. server determines your position, not your client. server determines if you are hit, not your client. it might appear that the enemy is further away while in fact on the server he is not.
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thehellisgoingon
MONSTER SYNERGY
135
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:31:00 -
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Skilled into knives. proficiency 5. OHK you all day. Before you know what happened I'm killing the next guy. Your just another statistic. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:42:00 -
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@Clone D
Well, a normal arm can reach close to a meter fully extended. The nova knives however are pretty big. About the size of a bayonet but even then I have never seen a bayonet as long as a meter. Originally the absolute range use to be 2 meters but CCP extended it to 2.5 for balancing purposes especially considering that we can't sprint while charging knives.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1342
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:08:00 -
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We can just say that they create a large invisible 2.5 meter long electro-gravitic condensate field that has super nova temperatures. This is guided by the wands, or 'Nova Knives' as they slash. The field can be super charged for even more energy output.
Essentially, they are invisible light sabers.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
1654
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:20:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:We can just say that they create a large invisible 2.5 meter long electro-gravitic condensate field that has super nova temperatures. This is guided by the wands, or 'Nova Knives' as they slash. The field can be super charged for even more energy output.
Essentially, they are invisible light sabers.
I like this. Approved.
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Anti-FoTM Prof. V
Forum Scavenger Prof. V
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
815
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:26:00 -
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Pro knives do 200 per knife and doubled with charge with up to 15% proficiency and 25% minja bonus
Total damage= 200x2x2+15%+25%
Or 1120 total with same damage to Sheilds and armor
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
7372
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:35:00 -
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Sorry.
Your heavy is not an "I win" button. They have weaknesses, and have to have them since they have so much HP.
It only makes sense that the lowest HP suits need to have advantages.
If you can't take the time to survey your environment, especially given all the scout nerfs and the role no longer being OP, then its all on you.
You shouldn't be hanging out by yourself in a heavy. If you were, you better learn to be more careful about your surroundings.
I had my Minmando out once and heard a noise, I turned around and saw a blur trying to flank me. I didn't need to see him on tacnet. I didn't need even need to catch a glimpse of his shiny little run.
In short your complaints are unfounded.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Starlight Burner
ROGUE RELICS
VP Gaming Alliance
88
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Posted - 2015.01.24 05:04:00 -
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When I think about this statement, it doesn't make sense.
"If you let an enemy get that close, you deserve to die."
Scouts can be fully undetectable by scans. Even stacking Complex Precision Enhancers with proto scans, I still fail to pick up most scouts that run around doing so.
To a fair extent OP does have a valid point.
Thank god for CCP Rattati!!
Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
7388
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Posted - 2015.01.24 06:17:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:When I think about this statement, it doesn't make sense.
"If you let an enemy get that close, you deserve to die."
Scouts can be fully undetectable by scans. Even stacking Complex Precision Enhancers with proto scans, I still fail to pick up most scouts that run around doing so.
To a fair extent OP does have a valid point.
You have eyes...
If you are playing a heavy, and relying on Tacnet, you are a fool.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
2747
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Posted - 2015.01.24 06:28:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit
my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit
lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range
pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance
Was that me? I've killed so many that fits those requirements.
900hp? Pfft, I believe if I get that close I should just slap you dead, even more so when I'm stacking sidearm damage mods.
3m part is very funny, the user simply managed to back away at least 0.5m before your deathscreen showed up.
This huge imbalance does not exist, besides an extra 0.5m doesn't do anything at all. (Meaning even if they were 3m away that this would be no problem.)
Now a problem is that the Caldari scout does not get the smallest NK bonus while the Minmatar get a big fat one, but that's for another day.
"Fuck Your Proto" - Random words
Keshava for Gallente specialist HAV
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demonkiller 12
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
522
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Posted - 2015.01.24 06:43:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Oh god, we are running low on buckets. Quick some one borrow a couple from the last RE thread. Asap!
XD
roger that |
Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.01.24 06:44:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Sorry.
Your heavy is not an "I win" button...
He was using a Minmatar heavy. Of course it isn't an "I win" button.
Crappy suit, that one.
I am a minotaur.
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demonkiller 12
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
522
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Posted - 2015.01.24 06:44:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit
my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit
lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range
pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance
For you my friend, I skill into nova knives
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Templar XIII
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.24 07:13:00 -
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Nova knife range is ok and 3m range most probably due to rounding up
and latency,
its maximum damage output is reigned by run and charge incompatibility.
If ever the nova knife needed any nerds, it is this:
1. It has to be possible to block a nova knife blow with a well timed
counter-melee attack, not because it is absolutely necessary, but because
it would be halfway realistic
2. nova knife is the only hand-held weapon atm that can cut through
invulnerability timer on spawn, compare-tested with AR, PLC, MD, CR,
HMG, SMG, SCR. This has to stop, because it puts all other players at
a grave disadvantage.
P.S.: I still have the nagging suspicion, the locus grande and RE do negate spawn
invulnerability as well, but did not yet find the time to evaluate, only one spawn
camping at a time, and it is hard to plan with the right weapon at hand and
hard to overcome the urge/routine to simply destroy spawns for science. |
WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.24 08:58:00 -
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The max dps of proto nova knifes is roughly 1000 at 2.5 meters ranges
max dps of shotgun is roughly 550 at 4m ranges
max dps of assault rifle is roughly 460 at 40m ranges.
2.5 meters is so small that you deserve to die if he got that close to you.
You should be more self aware. You should try to be actively paranoid. Always turn around every 10 seconds in open areas to check for flanking enemies. Always turn around every 20 seconds in cities as long as you are not engaged in fights at the time.
Even when you are the most aware soldier on the battlefield you will die. New eden combat can be fast, frantic, brutal, and instantly lethal at times. You will have bad luck occasionally soldier. This is a fact of war.
If he got that close to you, then you probably would have died anyway if it was a shotgun instead. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10874
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Posted - 2015.01.24 15:56:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:When I think about this statement, it doesn't make sense.
"If you let an enemy get that close, you deserve to die."
Scouts can be fully undetectable by scans. Even stacking Complex Precision Enhancers with proto scans, I still fail to pick up most scouts that run around doing so.
To a fair extent OP does have a valid point.
The thing about scouts is that they have to sacrifice all of their tank to get under your scanners. I have been scanned quite often even when fitting a complex profile dampener. To make it harder for the knifer, the Minmatar Scout suit has no bonus to profile dampening which means I have to fit one more dampener to combat the tough scanners. And in order for the Minscout to be able to dish out all that damage from the knives, not only do I need maximum skills invested into the knives and suit, but I also need to fit damage mods especially if I want to OHK a proto heavy. Since speed is also key to the Minscout, I'll have to fill my remaining low slot with a kinetic catalyzer. In total, this leave me with bare minimum HP. I am so weak at this point that if you so much as check what's behind you for even a second before I catch up with you, I'm dead. Breach ARs will wreck me with a few rounds. CRs can welp me. Shotguns are even scarier to a Minscout.
You won't get much damage out of the knives if you use them with any other suit besides a Minscout. The Galscout is the only suit that can evade all scans when full maxed out but you won't be able to OHK a heavy with a knife using this suit. Galscouts may as well use a shotgun which they seem to shine very well with. In fact, Minscouts usually avoid shotgun users unless they have a guarantee they won't die to one for that moment in time.
Again, Minscouts have no EWAR and must sacrifice all of their tank for speed, damage and a complex dampener. That said, a Minscout's best place to be is in the hills where the terrain masks their profile.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
310
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Posted - 2015.01.24 16:09:00 -
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What confuses me about Nova Knives is their damage. I had a 980eHP Minmando killed in one hit, seems fair. However, the kill screen said, "Damage Dealt; 512" so how does that work?! 
Resident pasty smasher
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10876
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Posted - 2015.01.24 16:11:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:What confuses me about Nova Knives is their damage. I had a 980eHP Minmando killed in one hit, seems fair. However, the kill screen said, "Damage Dealt; 512" so how does that work?!
Are you sure you didn't get hit by someone else before the knifer got to you?
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
310
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Posted - 2015.01.24 19:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:What confuses me about Nova Knives is their damage. I had a 980eHP Minmando killed in one hit, seems fair. However, the kill screen said, "Damage Dealt; 512" so how does that work?! Are you sure you didn't get hit by someone else before the knifer got to you?
Positive. CQC, not another person around as I was dropping uplinks, knife swish, dead.
Resident pasty smasher
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10881
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Posted - 2015.01.24 20:29:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:What confuses me about Nova Knives is their damage. I had a 980eHP Minmando killed in one hit, seems fair. However, the kill screen said, "Damage Dealt; 512" so how does that work?! Are you sure you didn't get hit by someone else before the knifer got to you? Positive. CQC, not another person around as I was dropping uplinks, knife swish, dead.
Strange.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Insidious Bane
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2015.01.24 20:51:00 -
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Knives make for an excellent Kill
Mostly used by those with Skill
I will kill you and rule the Day
Afterwards I will meet pay
Nova Knives are Op
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
1416
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Posted - 2015.01.24 22:42:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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