DUST Search - Nova Knives WTF??????

Maken Tosch wrote:

Clone D wrote:

A little known fact about nova knives is that they are 9.84 feet long, and that they swipe in a 180 degree arc from the source, so you can side step all you want, but if you find yourself within that 152 square foot area, then you go down in a single swipe.

In my opinion, their range is way too far. If minjas wanna kill me with knives, they should be within arm's reach (approximately 25 inches or 0.63 meters yielding a much smaller area of effect which makes more sense). But I accept the mechanics of the weapon as they are and try to avoid it, even though my mind often creates the illusion that I should be out of reach of a knife.

I don't see the op as a whine so much as having his/her mind blown by the total absurdity of the power of the Nova Knives.

@OP There are a lot of hypocrites who troll about buckets of tears and then start their own thread about some other OP weapon, so don't take it to heart pal.

2.5 meters = 8.2 feet

Where did you get 9.84 feet from?

Also, the total area being covered is 105 square feet, not 152.

One more thing, a merc standing on the side being hit by the knives will only take half damage due to the nature of the swipes.

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lowdevil Savage Bullet 41	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:26:00 - [1] - Quote my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range pay attention devs, this is a huge inbalance
robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 681	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:27:00 - [2] - Quote If you let someone get that close to you, you deserve to die. Robin Williams endorses this corp
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2467	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:37:00 - [3] - Quote A little thing called proficiency possibly damage mods minmatar scout, yup if your in his deadzone your going to get ganked. And RWG is right. Recon is an Art PSN Sil4ntChaozz/Protofits SilentChaozz WERE NOT EVEN RELATED!!
Orchi Aizen THE DESTROYERS AMONG DEATH 159	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:55:00 - [4] - Quote lowdevil wrote: my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range pay attention devs, this is a huge inbalance Keep talking partner,but you can't nerf this weapon. Otherwise your just low
Billy Jr Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 47	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:57:00 - [5] - Quote Please tell me this is a joke. If my knives take more than one or two attacks to take down an enemy, I'm dead.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1866	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:05:00 - [6] - Quote Oh god, we are running low on buckets. Quick some one borrow a couple from the last RE thread. Asap! XD TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 578	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Shut that tear duct! I was wondering if there was something not cried about left. Kitten or Rhino, a knife to the neck is a knife to the neck... i have no sympathy GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 2011	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:29:00 - [8] - Quote I can feel the tears flow on~~ I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Yokal Bob Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 696	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:53:00 - [9] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Oh god, we are running low on buckets. Quick some one borrow a couple from the last RE thread. Asap! XD none left after i snuck REs in there. /{o.o}/ ---L Inflatable hammer strikes again
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 186	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:53:00 - [10] - Quote lowdevil wrote: my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance Working as intended Yet another slave of Mortedeamor

robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 690	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:56:00 - [11] - Quote lowdevil wrote: my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance Also you have to remember it isn't one hit. You swing twice and have to land both hits for maximum damage. Also to drop a proto sentinel like that he's gunna have to charge the knives before swinging which makes a distinct sound you should be listening for. Just like the sound of cloaks and re's being dropped. So how it actually goes down is a 300ish ehp suit has to sneak up within a couple meters of you without being seen, because if he's spotted he's dead. He has to charge his knives which takes a second making him vulnerable, and then has to land both hits. You make it sound as if all he has to do is stroll up to you and give ya a quick slice, while in fact it takes a lot of skill. Robin Williams endorses this corp
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1892	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:02:00 - [12] - Quote to deal enough to drop 1400 hp you need a fully charged one plus a non charged attack with NK. and technically that is a 4hit because NK attack swipes twice each swipe dealing damage.
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 916	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:11:00 - [13] - Quote Seriously? SERIOUSLY!?!?! It's a F#@king knife... TO THE NECK! [Insert Meme] If you don't have situational awareness, you're gonna have a bad time.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1875	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:15:00 - [14] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Oh god, we are running low on buckets. Quick some one borrow a couple from the last RE thread. Asap! XD none left after i snuck REs in there. Oh no. Grab any containers we have laying around. We can't be wasting the good stuff. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10856	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:01:00 - [15] - Quote lowdevil wrote: my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance 1. If that player was able to kill you within the first pass of the knives, then that player has no shield tank. Since only Minmatar Scouts have a bonus to nova knife damage and they require a lot of speed to get close to you while also having to fit a profile dampener to sneak up on you, that means they are so weak in armor that a few stray bullets not intended for them can kill them. just give them a hard stare and they're down for the count. Minscouts happen to be the only suits that mostly run naked. 2. If a scout that weak managed to get that close to you given what was pointed out above, then that scout deserves the reward of killing you. 3. Stick with a group. Minjas are less likely to attack you if you have company. PS: The only possible way a Minja can successfully stab you while you're wearing a proto heavy suit is if you're a proto heavy roaming alone. Fat, slow, and alone is just asking for it. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 600	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:04:00 - [16] - Quote Don't like getting killed by minjas? Become one. Life has no "real" meaning. We are just dust particles in an endless world we call space. Just have fun while you live.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 839	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:29:00 - [17] - Quote Why the hell are you HP tanking a Minmatar Heavy u goddamn scr00b Changes to Damage mods!
Clone D 1404	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:38:00 - [18] - Quote A little known fact about nova knives is that they are 9.84 feet long, and that they swipe in a 180 degree arc from the source, so you can side step all you want, but if you find yourself within that 152 square foot area, then you go down in a single swipe. In my opinion, their range is way too far. If minjas wanna kill me with knives, they should be within arm's reach (approximately 25 inches or 0.63 meters yielding a much smaller area of effect which makes more sense). But I accept the mechanics of the weapon as they are and try to avoid it, even though my mind often creates the illusion that I should be out of reach of a knife. I don't see the op as a whine so much as having his/her mind blown by the total absurdity of the power of the Nova Knives. @OP There are a lot of hypocrites who troll about buckets of tears and then start their own thread about some other OP weapon, so don't take it to heart pal.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10857	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:44:00 - [19] - Quote Clone D wrote: A little known fact about nova knives is that they are 9.84 feet long, and that they swipe in a 180 degree arc from the source, so you can side step all you want, but if you find yourself within that 152 square foot area, then you go down in a single swipe. In my opinion, their range is way too far. If minjas wanna kill me with knives, they should be within arm's reach (approximately 25 inches or 0.63 meters yielding a much smaller area of effect which makes more sense). But I accept the mechanics of the weapon as they are and try to avoid it, even though my mind often creates the illusion that I should be out of reach of a knife. I don't see the op as a whine so much as having his/her mind blown by the total absurdity of the power of the Nova Knives. @OP There are a lot of hypocrites who troll about buckets of tears and then start their own thread about some other OP weapon, so don't take it to heart pal. 2.5 meters = 8.2 feet Where did you get 9.84 feet from? Also, the total area being covered is 105 square feet, not 152. One more thing, a merc standing on the side being hit by the knives will only take half damage due to the nature of the swipes. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Clone D 1404	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:48:00 - [20] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Clone D wrote: A little known fact about nova knives is that they are 9.84 feet long, and that they swipe in a 180 degree arc from the source, so you can side step all you want, but if you find yourself within that 152 square foot area, then you go down in a single swipe. In my opinion, their range is way too far. If minjas wanna kill me with knives, they should be within arm's reach (approximately 25 inches or 0.63 meters yielding a much smaller area of effect which makes more sense). But I accept the mechanics of the weapon as they are and try to avoid it, even though my mind often creates the illusion that I should be out of reach of a knife. I don't see the op as a whine so much as having his/her mind blown by the total absurdity of the power of the Nova Knives. @OP There are a lot of hypocrites who troll about buckets of tears and then start their own thread about some other OP weapon, so don't take it to heart pal. 2.5 meters = 8.2 feet Where did you get 9.84 feet from? Also, the total area being covered is 105 square feet, not 152. One more thing, a merc standing on the side being hit by the knives will only take half damage due to the nature of the swipes. I get killed by them at 3 meters all of the time. Maybe they're just rounding up, but it's CCP. How do I know what is happening behind the scene or whether or not their calculations include rounding? If it is 2.5 meters, then those are still some really long arms/knives

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1896	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:58:00 - [21] - Quote Clone D wrote: I get killed by them at 3 meters all of the time. Maybe they're just rounding up, but it's CCP. How do I know what is happening behind the scene or whether or not their calculations include rounding? If it is 2.5 meters, then those are still some really long arms/knives that is because of latency. server determines your position, not your client. server determines if you are hit, not your client. it might appear that the enemy is further away while in fact on the server he is not.
thehellisgoingon MONSTER SYNERGY 135	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:31:00 - [22] - Quote Skilled into knives. proficiency 5. OHK you all day. Before you know what happened I'm killing the next guy. Your just another statistic.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10857	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:42:00 - [23] - Quote @Clone D Well, a normal arm can reach close to a meter fully extended. The nova knives however are pretty big. About the size of a bayonet but even then I have never seen a bayonet as long as a meter. Originally the absolute range use to be 2 meters but CCP extended it to 2.5 for balancing purposes especially considering that we can't sprint while charging knives. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Leovarian L Lavitz KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1342	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:08:00 - [24] - Quote We can just say that they create a large invisible 2.5 meter long electro-gravitic condensate field that has super nova temperatures. This is guided by the wands, or 'Nova Knives' as they slash. The field can be super charged for even more energy output. Essentially, they are invisible light sabers. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1654	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:20:00 - [25] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: We can just say that they create a large invisible 2.5 meter long electro-gravitic condensate field that has super nova temperatures. This is guided by the wands, or 'Nova Knives' as they slash. The field can be super charged for even more energy output. Essentially, they are invisible light sabers. I like this. Approved. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 815	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:26:00 - [26] - Quote Pro knives do 200 per knife and doubled with charge with up to 15% proficiency and 25% minja bonus Total damage= 200x2x2+15%+25% Or 1120 total with same damage to Sheilds and armor Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7372	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:35:00 - [27] - Quote Sorry. Your heavy is not an "I win" button. They have weaknesses, and have to have them since they have so much HP. It only makes sense that the lowest HP suits need to have advantages. If you can't take the time to survey your environment, especially given all the scout nerfs and the role no longer being OP, then its all on you. You shouldn't be hanging out by yourself in a heavy. If you were, you better learn to be more careful about your surroundings. I had my Minmando out once and heard a noise, I turned around and saw a blur trying to flank me. I didn't need to see him on tacnet. I didn't need even need to catch a glimpse of his shiny little run. In short your complaints are unfounded. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 88	Posted - 2015.01.24 05:04:00 - [28] - Quote When I think about this statement, it doesn't make sense. "If you let an enemy get that close, you deserve to die." Scouts can be fully undetectable by scans. Even stacking Complex Precision Enhancers with proto scans, I still fail to pick up most scouts that run around doing so. To a fair extent OP does have a valid point. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7388	Posted - 2015.01.24 06:17:00 - [29] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: When I think about this statement, it doesn't make sense. "If you let an enemy get that close, you deserve to die." Scouts can be fully undetectable by scans. Even stacking Complex Precision Enhancers with proto scans, I still fail to pick up most scouts that run around doing so. To a fair extent OP does have a valid point. You have eyes... If you are playing a heavy, and relying on Tacnet, you are a fool. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge 2747	Posted - 2015.01.24 06:28:00 - [30] - Quote lowdevil wrote: my 1400hp minmatar proto hvy down in 1 hit my 900hp gal assault down in 1 hit lost a logi at 3m from nova's with 2.5m range pay attention devs, this is a huge imbalance Was that me? I've killed so many that fits those requirements. 900hp? Pfft, I believe if I get that close I should just slap you dead, even more so when I'm stacking sidearm damage mods. 3m part is very funny, the user simply managed to back away at least 0.5m before your deathscreen showed up. This huge imbalance does not exist, besides an extra 0.5m doesn't do anything at all. (Meaning even if they were 3m away that this would be no problem.) Now a problem is that the Caldari scout does not get the smallest NK bonus while the Minmatar get a big fat one, but that's for another day. "Fuck Your Proto" - Random words Keshava for Gallente specialist HAV



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